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From what we've seen major overhauls seems to happen every 2 editions. 1st and 2nd, major overhaul to third and 4th, major overhaul to 5th so fingers crossed they just tweak it for 6th as I think they really got it mostly right for 5th edition.

I can't wait for DE. Another fully updated xenos army to add to my collection. I've got my DIY marines for any marine list I wanna do and then orks, daemons, and nids. DE would make a great addition to it

Mr Mystery wrote:Define 'good level of sales'. Do you compare to Space Marines, or to Battle Fleet Gothic? What is this mystical benchmark of good level of sales?

I'd say if Dark Eldar can get 1/5th the sales of Space Marines with 1/5th the number of plastic kits, that would be a very good level of sales.

You are aware of just how staggering the sales of Marines are?

AlexHolker wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Define 'good level of sales'. Do you compare to Space Marines, or to Battle Fleet Gothic? What is this mystical benchmark of good level of sales?

I'd say if Dark Eldar can get 1/5th the sales of Space Marines with 1/5th the number of plastic kits, that would be a very good level of sales.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't compare their sales to a completely different game that GW no longer supports. I can't imagine it would be very difficult for GW to get a good sense of how well DE sell compare to their other ranges. I'm pretty sure it's not a mystical process.

Oh GW can indeed do it, but I'm intrigued as to what the Internet would deem good level of sales.

1/7 of the total sales of Space Marines consistantly would make DE a decent to well selling army. That's what I'd hope for being reasonable.

If the rumors are true, they'll have more sails than any other army out there. Except possibly for Eldar Craftworld fleets.

The DE pose an interesting issue and I'll curious to see how they are designed and how they ultimately play out. They have been described as an alpha strike, finesse army. Those types demand a higher level of skill. Will that be appealing to Joe Blow 40K that gets befuddled by any tactics other than "push all models forward into assault" or "sit in gunline rolling dice"? My hope is that DE are an excellent maneuver-based army, one that is extremely mobile and adaptive, with lots of subtle force multipliers rather than one that is loaded with uber, "obviously better than everything else in the codex" units that win games on their own. What's the challenge in that?

"Space marines" are collectivey ~40% of all the armies but generate ~50% of sales. 6 out of 15 armies are space marines, meaning the remaining 9 armies split the other 50% of 40k sales. So when Dark Eldar come out they'd be expected to make up about 5% of the total sales to be on par with the other armies. If they exceed that then they're more succesful than the average non marine army.

Well, if the rest of the range looks that good, I'll be doing my part to support the DE. Hell, I might even pre-order... which I have NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER done under any circumstances for a GW product... in fact, I haven't bought anything new in god knows how long...

And people need to stop bitching about JotWW. It ain't bad, I survived 6 turns of that BS power with an all nurgle daemon army. Didn't lose a single model, and thats saying something when the majority of my units were I2 (I3 for the bigger gribblies).

plastictrees wrote:Look, were not talking about hot womenz or middle eastern politics, I think this qualifies as the most successful DE rumours thread to date.

This might be because we actually know the DE are going to be released, unlike all the half ass threads wishlisting with no actual proof.

@Chaos

Counting as I4 vs I2 is a huge difference dude. And It's nid focal units that are I1 (I2 against JotWW) not 15pt troops. Dying 2/3 vs. 1/3 is a pretty significant difference. But like I said. It's only that one power and it's only against Nids. Using a Daemon example as to why JotWW isn't powerful against Nids is pointless. Nids still are an excellent codex it just means that they don't stand up as well against all 5th codexes. Just against all but 1

@On-Topic

I'll be pre-ordering if I can get the damn webstore to take my GW gift card.....If not then I'll be waiting till it shows up in store since it won't matter anyway. But I'm already committed to supported them to the tune of $250 minimum on opening weekend

Hulksmash wrote:@Chaos

Counting as I4 vs I2 is a huge difference dude. And It's nid focal units that are I1 (I2 against JotWW) not 15pt troops. Dying 2/3 vs. 1/3 is a pretty significant difference. But like I said. It's only that one power and it's only against Nids. Using a Daemon example as to why JotWW isn't powerful against Nids is pointless. Nids still are an excellent codex it just means that they don't stand up as well against all 5th codexes. Just against all but 1

They count as I3 because they are I2 base and have +1 for monstrous. No I4 at all. And nids are really not that bad off. If all you have are monstrous creatures with I1, and you don't have nay of the other units from that book with I3/4 or higher... then you did something wrong.




As for preordering, Well I have just shy of 1 grand left over from my student loans... the temptation is overwhelming

@Omega

You missed the point. For nids they are Focal units. For Daemons they aren't. Most nids have a ton of higher I but their focal units (HG, Tervigons, and Tyrano's) are basically I2. Those are much more painful to lose. Nuff of that though, it's way OT.

Give in to your temptation, buy DE! Everyone!!!

aka_mythos wrote:"Space marines" are collectivey ~40% of all the armies but generate ~50% of sales. 6 out of 15 armies are space marines, meaning the remaining 9 armies split the other 50% of 40k sales. So when Dark Eldar come out they'd be expected to make up about 5% of the total sales to be on par with the other armies. If they exceed that then they're more succesful than the average non marine army.

I was under the impression that space marines accounted for about 50% of sales across ALL ranges/game systems/products, not just 40k. Is that not right anymore?

Leggy wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:"Space marines" are collectivey ~40% of all the armies but generate ~50% of sales. 6 out of 15 armies are space marines, meaning the remaining 9 armies split the other 50% of 40k sales. So when Dark Eldar come out they'd be expected to make up about 5% of the total sales to be on par with the other armies. If they exceed that then they're more succesful than the average non marine army.

I was under the impression that space marines accounted for about 50% of sales across ALL ranges/game systems/products, not just 40k. Is that not right anymore?

No that's right. From what I've heard, Space Marines outsell ALL of Fantasy, for starters.

Leggy wrote:I was under the impression that space marines accounted for about 50% of sales across ALL ranges/game systems/products, not just 40k. Is that not right anymore?

Hardly ever was, WHFB is very popular and i can't imagine Spazz mahreenz outselling a whole of 24 armies (across WHFB and 40k combined) plus whatever few models LotR sells.

I have always heard that SM account for 1/3 of all GW sales (and that they do outsell fantasy, although after 8th this might have changed).

Hulksmash - In a nurgle daemon army, the monstrous critters are the focal units as well. Moreso than in a tyranid army in fact. Plaguebearers offer nothing in the way of ranged combat capability, and very little in offensive cc capability. Their only advantage is their refusal to die. Thus they form a very solid anvil, which you need the monstrous creature hammer to smash against if you want to succeed.

Contrast this to Tyranids who can build fairly capable armies without a single MC.

chaos0xomega wrote:Contrast this to Tyranids who can build fairly capable armies without a single MC.

I have yet to see one.

I am not too excited by DE, but I am happy that another non-marine army is no longer insanely out of date.

kirsanth wrote:I have yet to see one.

I do bet you've seen some where all the MCs are I4 or better though.

You know maybe people are going the wrong way with this....

Perhaps we can use this upcomeing release to lash back at those drug dealers that call themselves GW and boycott the release. All the fuel they are putting on the fire to jumpstart a new race. If no one buys then they will be ruined! Kinda putting all thier eggs into one basket persay. For all the thousands of dollars Ive spent on GW, they reward me with price hikes, rapidly declining fluff, and a huge pool of powergamers or 12 year olds. NOW is our chance to strike BACK!








No but seriously... ill prolly spend half my paycheck come nov on DE stuff... fml I hate you GW Meth would be easier to say no too.

HoverBoy wrote:I do bet you've seen some where all the MCs are I4 or better though.

You mean a fairly capable army with the only MCs being Hive Tyrants or Trygons (or variants)?

No. I haven't seen some of those.

I am not saying it cannot be done, but it really depends on where you go with "fairly capable".

No Tervigons, no spods, and no Tyrannofexes is. . .something of an issue for many Tyranid lists.

Sorry OP. . .I am done now.

Lots of rejoicing is good. I am happy to see this long overdue army getting redone but I am skeptical of the manner than the d.e. are being released. It seems that g.w. is going to give us everything that is needed for the 1500 point range with no battleforce. It seems that this will deter many from buying this army.

A buddy of mine said that the new stuff is beautiful so it has been a worthwhile wait but those are the perks of living 10th minutes from h.q.

@Chaos

I'm gonna be done arguing with you. If you think that the great unclean one is a focal equal to that of a Tervigon then I don't think we can have a discussion on it. Especially since your DP's are I5 to start....

@Kirsanth

I'm gonna agree with the being stoked on another Xenos army not being 10 years out of date with ya. The more current codexes the better. I've personally already noticed a lower number of Marine players in total lately at tournaments than ever before.

HoverBoy wrote:

Leggy wrote:I was under the impression that space marines accounted for about 50% of sales across ALL ranges/game systems/products, not just 40k. Is that not right anymore?

Hardly ever was, WHFB is very popular and i can't imagine Spazz mahreenz outselling a whole of 24 armies (across WHFB and 40k combined) plus whatever few models LotR sells.

I think this is wishful thinking from the WFB side. SMs have been widely reported to outsell all Fantasy combined for quite some time. WFB being popular relative to discontinued SGs and smaller lines like WM/H doesn't mean it's the juggernaut that 40k is, with SMs leading the way.

aka_mythos wrote:"Space marines" are collectivey ~40% of all the armies but generate ~50% of sales. 6 out of 15 armies are space marines, meaning the remaining 9 armies split the other 50% of 40k sales. So when Dark Eldar come out they'd be expected to make up about 5% of the total sales to be on par with the other armies. If they exceed that then they're more succesful than the average non marine army.

Is this true? Does anyone actually have real numbers for this? Just asking because I have seen a lot of different numbers thrown around about this and wanted to see what was really going on.

Back on topic though, with Jes Goodwin doing the entire range it seems likely the models will be good looking so to me that would lead to increased sales just by itself. Then add in that the army hasn't been redone in like 30 years and I think you pretty much have a recipe for good initial sales at the very least. Hopefully they sell well and they decide to redo squats too.

No wishlisting! Squats are extinct!

If Dark Eldar do well enough I could see GW being convinced that a Demiurge army down the road wouldn't be a bad idea.

Dashofpepper wrote:Well, when IG were released, they were ridiculously overpowered. Space Wolves managed to top out the ridiculousness of IG in terms of power level.

Yeah, except no. IG are powerful, but not overpowered. Most people just didn't know how to adapt their tactics and builds to facing IG.

Same with Space Wolves to an extent. And probably DE, too when they come out.


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brettz123 wrote:Is this true? Does anyone actually have real numbers for this?

No, they don't. People just like to pull numbers out of the cargo bays of this ship

*mutters something about the edit function being weird just now...*

Melissia wrote:

brettz123 wrote:Is this true? Does anyone actually have real numbers for this?

No, they don't. People just like to pull numbers out of the cargo bays of this ship

*mutters something about the edit function being weird just now...*

Thats just awesome my lady (or sir if im misleaded by your avatar and name).