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Gwar, it's the highest.

What I want to know is though are the extra attacks "Bonus" attacks or are they part of here attacks stat (and so limited to 10+2 [bonus for weapons and/or assaulting]).

If they are bonus, and she has 2 CCW, she would get 13 attacks vs a unit of FW.

wuestenfux wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Another tidbit on the two missing new HS units, by Jonathan =I=, confirmed by Frgt/10:

Razorwing Fighter
Flyer.

Voidraven Bomber
Flyer. It is armour 11 with duel strength 9 Ap 2 dark lances, can move 36 inches, fire all weapons when moving 12, can drop a strength 8 bomb along its flight path. Costs as much as Rhino plus Ravager

The lighter Talos is called Cronos.

I'm confused that flyers entered the DE codex.
No other race has flyers on the regular GW basis.
Flyer entered only via FW.

I'm not surprised.

It used to be that DE were the fastest army out there. With new codices that have come out and with various changes in rules, several other armies have become just as fast as the DE. Now, every army can run, and armies like Orks and BA have vehicles that are effectively just as fast.

The addition of fliers, 36" turbo boosting jetbikes, and the proposed +2d6" movement for Raiders has re-established DE as the fastest army out there.

If the armies keep getting faster, they'll eventually change the size of the standard game board. Faster armies cover the board a lot, well...faster.

Overall I'm VERY pleased with this codex so far. There are at LEAST 3 types of armies with the fourth being some type of hybrid list.

Also I'm fairly certain that, barring some atrocity, Lelith will be leading my forces. I mean come ON slam her into just about anything and she's going to decimate it. Plus Marines are going to be hitting on 5's, that's amazing.

ThePhish wrote:If the armies keep getting faster, they'll eventually change the size of the standard game board. Faster armies cover the board a lot, well...faster.

It wouldn't surprise me. Though, they could also simply decrease the deployment zone area to make the separation between the two armies larger. You could make a corner style deployment with 3' between the two armies fairly easily.

Two solutions: 1. Make deployment only 6" from the long table edge. We do this even in games w/o DE. 2. Run short board edge games.

Saldiven wrote:

ThePhish wrote:If the armies keep getting faster, they'll eventually change the size of the standard game board. Faster armies cover the board a lot, well...faster.

It wouldn't surprise me. Though, they could also simply decrease the deployment zone area to make the separation between the two armies larger. You could make a corner style deployment with 3' between the two armies fairly easily.

Good point. Especially since they contunually increase the point costs as well which further limits the size of the army. So physically, you need less room to deploy. Oh welll.

Rymafyr wrote:Two solutions: 1. Make deployment only 6" from the long table edge. We do this even in games w/o DE. 2. Run short board edge games.

I hope none of your friends run footslogging armies.

What the real question is, is what does Lelith wound on?

11 attacks are awesome no doubt. If it's poison 4+ you're still only looking maybe 3 or 4 casualties unless her strength is half decent.

She's only S3 in the "current" codex... and I use that term loosely... but the proof of her mansdeath will be what she wounds on.

I would like to point out that it doesn't matter how fast you are, you're not going to be out of range the IG long guns with 72" range.

Not to jump the gun, but I'm still not seeing anything that can out fight guard here. Flak guns will be more prominent pending on how much the Meta shifts with DEldar. Also with dirt cheap heavy weapons and the fact that HBolters can still pen our vehicles I don't see a huge change in the guard dominated meta.

All that said, we can kill MEQ better and faster now so we shall see.




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RIGHT-Titan wrote:What the real question is, is what does Lelith wound on?

11 attacks are awesome no doubt. If it's poison 4+ you're still only looking maybe 3 or 4 casualties unless her strength is half decent.

She's only S3 in the "current" codex... and I use that term loosely... but the proof of her mansdeath will be what she wounds on.

maybe something akin to the wolf tooth necklace, but instead of hitting on 3+ she wounds on 3+

Nah, that'd be broken.

RIGHT-Titan wrote:What the real question is, is what does Lelith wound on?

11 attacks are awesome no doubt. If it's poison 4+ you're still only looking maybe 3 or 4 casualties unless her strength is half decent.

She's only S3 in the "current" codex... and I use that term loosely... but the proof of her mansdeath will be what she wounds on.

She has an agonizer in the current codex, so it's 4+ with no poison re-rolls.

If she DOES become 4+ Poison, it will be an improvement.

Against T4, she'll get 3.66... wounds, while against T3 she gets 5.5.

And lets not forget she is hit on a 5+ against WS4 and 3, and if Wych Weapons keep their rules, against WS8 as well.

I'm not surprised at the fliers. BA's and IG got them. Why not the fastest army in the game? I'm hoping their models are at least set to release for next year with them but it's doubtful if they are doing the Stormraven next year too due to how many sprue they can make a year. Though maybe DE were the exception to that and the extra for the last few years has been used so they can eek out more sprues.

Gotta say I'm loving the rules we've seen. Codex DE here I come!

Gwar! wrote:

RIGHT-Titan wrote:What the real question is, is what does Lelith wound on?

11 attacks are awesome no doubt. If it's poison 4+ you're still only looking maybe 3 or 4 casualties unless her strength is half decent.

She's only S3 in the "current" codex... and I use that term loosely... but the proof of her mansdeath will be what she wounds on.

She has an agonizer in the current codex, so it's 4+ with no poison re-rolls.

If she DOES become 4+ Poison, it will be an improvement.

Against T4, she'll get 3.66... wounds, while against T3 she gets 5.5.

And lets not forget she is hit on a 5+ against WS4 and 3, and if Wych Weapons keep their rules, against WS8 as well.

Oh she'll nuke squads no doubt... but at 3-6 wounds a turn she might be pretty easy to tarpit with a big unit of guard or something equally dastardly. I think she's more of a SC hunter potentially. A lot of SCs are WS 5-6 which means she'd be getting a lot of attacks on the charge:

Base Attacks: 4
VS WS 6: +3
Charge: +1
Extra CCW(?): +1
9 Poison attacks/agnoizer/who know (?) on the charge possibly which we already know ignore armor saves... could be pretty tough for a Space Marine to deal with if she can get into his commander's face.

10 Attacks if WS 5. I'm ok with that...

The new minis (Warriors, Wyches, Archon, Raiders) look really cool.

ok leith is well leithel =P i so pre-ordering her now i can't deiced should i go with an all wych army or not XD

oldone wrote:ok leith is well leithel =P i so pre-ordering her now i can't deiced should i go with an all wych army or not XD

This is definitely too early to decide.
The first post promised that DE can be played in three ways: Kabal, Wych cult, and Haemonculi coven.

Well still looks intresting oh this was on the "what new to day post for GW:
In battle a Dark Eldar force is a fantastic sight; they are lightning fast, have lots of firepower and include some of the most lethal close-combat units in the game - not a bad combination. If all that wasn't enough, every time you destroy an enemy unit your army gets stronger. Oh and if you didn't know by now, the new range of miniatures are just jaw dropping, with every model exemplifying the traits of this cruel and murderous race. If you do nothing else today make sure you check out all of the product pages to see just how many options you get on the models, especially with the multi-part plastic kits.

All of the products available for Advance Order today are shown below. Order now and we will ship them out to you for the launch day on the 6th November.

The Codex is a must for Warhammer 40,000 fans. It's packed full of new never-before-read background, as well as all of the new special rules and bestiary information. I was especially taken by the Tale of Eternal Sin, which is really a Dark Eldar timeline but gives you loads of options for campaigns and historical battles. The 'Eavy Metal galleries also include a host of different Kabal paint schemes, giving you plenty of ideas and inspiration. The first of the new plastic sets is the Kabalite Warriors; you get 10 in the box, and it includes absolutely every weapon and wargear option that you need. You can also use it to build the Kabalite Trueborn Elite choice who have 2 Attacks and a higher Leadership, so one box set isn't going to be enough. To transport your Kabalite Warriors and Wyches into battle, you are going to need a Raider or four. The plastic kit is fantastic, easy to assemble and will get your Warriors into battle quickly; the enhanced aethersail upgrade also allows your Raider to move an additional 2D6".

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And yeah probs is to early to geuss what army to build anyone got any idea about when Stores get the preview codex

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Well games workshop answer for me appertly i should really read the whole post,because it goes on to say store have the book in this week and this:
If all of that wasn't enough for you, we also have the first look at the second wave of models that you will be able to advance order from October 19th. Be sure to come back all this week as Jes continues to give us the low-down on the Ravager, Hellions, Mandrakes and Urien Rakarth.

What's up with the Decapitator?

The fig that looks like an extracted techmarine is Urien Rakarth, not Decapitator, If that's what you were asking.

Rymafyr wrote:The fig that looks like an extracted techmarine is Urien Rakarth, not Decapitator, If that's what you were asking.

I know that its Urien.
My question is if there will be a model for the Decapitator as well?

wuestenfux wrote:

Rymafyr wrote:The fig that looks like an extracted techmarine is Urien Rakarth, not Decapitator, If that's what you were asking.

I know that its Urien.
My question is if there will be a model for the Decapitator as well?

Well, I'd certainly hope so. Given such a drastic change in the squad as a whole conceptually, not making an SC from that group would be sad.

Somehow, the Wyches just aren't working for me. Too bulky, I think.

No model for the decapitator in the first wave, but please take this discussion to the general DE release thread.

Updated the rules rumour summary. Be aware that I will soon quit updating it when everyone has seen the Codex for himself.

Any news on if Drazhar will allow Incubi to be troops?

Scourges
Deepstrike. Standard with a assault 3 18" splinter weapon and can have heat lances (18" S6 AP1 Lance, Melta). 4+ armour save. Seem to get some kind of haywire grenade launcher and a jetpack like the Tau.

Great, Scourges get melta weapons.
But it appears that they are rather slow, move 6''?

wuestenfux wrote:

Scourges
Deepstrike. Standard with a assault 3 18" splinter weapon and can have heat lances (18" S6 AP1 Lance, Melta). 4+ armour save. Seem to get some kind of haywire grenade launcher and a jetpack like the Tau.

Great, Scourges get melta weapons.
But it appears that they are rather slow, move 6''?

If they are jetpack, they get to JSJ like Tau.

Further, if Scourges deepstrike, if they have a jetpack, can they not land (movement phase), fire (shooting phase), 6" move (assault phase)? There might actually be a deepstrike melta unit that doesn't just stand there in the open (with a decent/lucky deepstrike, at least). We'll see.