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Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah, I'm not surprised if the non-model components in the box feel kinda cheap. And I really doubt the mat is actually "crinkle/crease free" like they claim, too.

Haven't seen it in person, but if it is, at it looks, similar to what is used in for example, cleaning wipes, then it is very crease resistent. Of course if it's very light, it might be problematic to keep it in place.

Cool
When you have finished playing you can use the mat to clean the house!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Cool
When you have finished playing you can use the mat to clean the house!

The wife will be happy with that.

If the mat does tear in normal use, GW will replace it for you anyway -- whatever other faults they may have, they're very good at customer service, including after-sales customer service. I had no problems getting replacement Space Hulk board sections from them when mine warped.

Ian Sturrock wrote:If the mat does tear in normal use, GW will replace it for you anyway -- whatever other faults they may have, they're very good at customer service, including after-sales customer service. I had no problems getting replacement Space Hulk board sections from them when mine warped.

Oh gak, that reminds me, I haven't checked my SH board sections in a while.

Popped into GW during my lunch time jaunt.

No demo games up and running and nothing from Dreadfleet on display (not even unpainted models).

There are however 25 copies still available to buy, so if anybody desperately wanted Dreadfleet and has missed out, there are still some around if you know where to look.

Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah, I'm not surprised if the non-model components in the box feel kinda cheap. And I really doubt the mat is actually "crinkle/crease free" like they claim, too.

I realize that it's apparent I'm happy with the product, so this may appear to be a biased opinion, but this simply isn't true. Every component in the box really is top notch.

All of the cards look fantastic. They are on par with anything Fantasy Flight releases.

The rulebook is GORGEOUS. It's bound like a paperback codex and is 100% full color with tons of great art. Really nice.

I don't understand the complaints about the mat. It looks lovely, has a lot of durability to it (it stretches some and doesn't seem to wrinkle), and is a very nice addition to the box.

People may not like the aesthetic, or may be disenchanted with the style of the release (a one-off boxed game), but I think anyone that claims they've seen the components and states they are sub-par is lying. No one would argue that the components on Space Hulk were sup par. The Dreadfleet components are right there with the Space Hulk ones.

It's bound like a paperback codex

That might not be seen as a good thing!

Kurgash wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Kurgash wrote:I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

lol, why, does the mat not look so good in person? I didn't get a chance to take a good look at it myself.

It's so thin that she thought it wouldn't hold up to having a bunch of sharp plastic ships on it and would tear the off chance an edge caught the mat. $115 for the product, 30 in plastic, 10 in cardboard and 75 for the silk table cloth!

Tell her the matt goes on the table, and the flat side of the ships go on the clothe.

On second thought, no, don't let her buy it! Anyone that could tear up the matt somehow while moving the 'sharp' plastic ships, is going to rip out an artery while rolling dice.

Yeah she must be really stupid to not figure out that the base goes on the mat. But then she is a woman so what can we expect!? Just tell her to iron the cloth and shut up

Looks a decent product to me, and plenty of people who bought it saying it was excellent quality. So no doubt it is. People who havent bought it are complaining though yes? Ive not seen a single person who bought it say it was garbage. As I said a long while back, people seem to just moan incessantly, and its pure nerd rage.

If you merely "like" something, you don't get this bizarre rage that you see on dakka. This is a website devoted pretty much to warhammer, the fact that people frequent it means they are big fans of the product, and therein lies the problem. Only nerds love and despise something this much, they remind me of a wife who loves her husband but cant bring herself to leave him even though he beats her up.

Its fething childish.

GW are out to make a profit, every single games company in the world is, so who gives a gak? Where on earth does this bizarre rage come from? You love warhammer yet you hate they want to sell it to you for cash? Do you want them to give you models for free? Even if you think they suck at marketing (they surely could be better and yes they charge a fair whack) that's their business, why the hate?

DF looks decent, but I have a hard enough time getting my 40k stuff painted, I never finished SH, and im just starting dwarves for WHFB, so there is no point in me buying another one. And I dislike playing with unpainted stuff, I'm a perfectionist! Plus, I hated being on ship when I was embarked forces in the marines, so i have no interest in nautical adventures.

That aside, I'm sure its a decent product, and if people (like me) aren't buying it, they should do just go ahead and do that and stop whinging incessantly like irate school girls.

Vote with your wallet, talk less and go do it, never buy GW again. Crack on.

And stop making me and the other people that have a logical producer/consumer relationship with this multi national corporation from having to sift through your gak.

Hippy!

notprop wrote:Hippy!

Ive been called many things, never a hippy though!

Surely someone sticking up for a multi national cant be a hipp....

Hey!

YOUR the hippy!

mattyrm wrote: Pure nerd rage.

Its fething childish.

So who gives a gak? Where on earth does this bizarre rage come from? why the hate?

I'm a perfectionist!
irate school girls.

And stop making me and the other people that have a logical producer/consumer relationship with this multi national corporation from having to sift through your gak.

And the worst post of the year at dakka goes to you sir... good job. Keep it up.

Edit: glad to see you at least edited all the swearing...

mattyrm wrote:
Its fething childish.

GW are out to make a profit, every single games company in the world is, so who gives a gak? Where on earth does this bizarre rage come from? You love warhammer yet you hate they want to sell it to you for cash? Do you want them to give you models for free? Even if you think they suck at marketing (they surely could be better and yes they charge a fair whack) that's their business, why the hate?

DF looks decent, but I have a hard enough time getting my 40k stuff painted, I never finished SH, and im just starting dwarves for WHFB, so there is no point in me buying another one. And I dislike playing with unpainted stuff, I'm a perfectionist! Plus, I hated being on ship when I was embarked forces in the marines, so i have no interest in nautical adventures.

That aside, I'm sure its a decent product, and if people (like me) aren't buying it, they should do just go ahead and do that and stop whinging incessantly like irate school girls.

Vote with your wallet, talk less and go do it, never buy GW again. Crack on.

And stop making me and the other people that have a logical producer/consumer relationship with this multi national corporation from having to sift through your gak.

Best post of the year on Dakka. You're right, it's childish logic to state that because I don't want to buy a product, no-one will want to buy a product and the people who make that product are morons. Especially when the evidence points in the opposite direction...

I have the old wizkids pirates game to use any time I want to play a naval combat game. The $115 price tag didn't help it any either, I can get 2-4 Avalon hill board games for that price.

Holdenstein wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
Its fething childish.

GW are out to make a profit, every single games company in the world is, so who gives a gak? Where on earth does this bizarre rage come from? You love warhammer yet you hate they want to sell it to you for cash? Do you want them to give you models for free? Even if you think they suck at marketing (they surely could be better and yes they charge a fair whack) that's their business, why the hate?

DF looks decent, but I have a hard enough time getting my 40k stuff painted, I never finished SH, and im just starting dwarves for WHFB, so there is no point in me buying another one. And I dislike playing with unpainted stuff, I'm a perfectionist! Plus, I hated being on ship when I was embarked forces in the marines, so i have no interest in nautical adventures.

That aside, I'm sure its a decent product, and if people (like me) aren't buying it, they should do just go ahead and do that and stop whinging incessantly like irate school girls.

Vote with your wallet, talk less and go do it, never buy GW again. Crack on.

And stop making me and the other people that have a logical producer/consumer relationship with this multi national corporation from having to sift through your gak.

Best post of the year on Dakka. You're right, it's childish logic to state that because I don't want to buy a product, no-one will want to buy a product and the people who make that product are morons. Especially when the evidence points in the opposite direction...

Because its so adult to attack a bunch of anonymous people on the net that are criticizing a game right?

Sigh I wonder how old are you guys sometimes...

megatrons2nd wrote:I have the old wizkids pirates game to use any time I want to play a naval combat game. The $115 price tag didn't help it any either, I can get 2-4 Avalon hill board games for that price.

I think comparing the WizKids Pirates game to Dreadfleet is a bit silly. The products, despite both being naval combat games, are fairly different, and the production values really can't be compared.

Does Avalon Hill still produce games?

NAVARRO wrote:
Because its so adult to attack a bunch of anonymous people on the net that are criticizing a game right?

Sigh I wonder how old are you guys sometimes...

I'm 36. You?

I have to say that Dreadfleet is the first game I've seen which has earned criticism not because of its gameplay, not because of its models, but because it was released at all.

That is really puzzling. Dreadfleet doesn't take anything away from people who play other GW games. No model or army or Specialist Game has been discontinued because of it. Nobody has to buy it to stay competive on Tournament circuit. Everyone who isn't interested about buying the game - like me - can simply, you know, not buy it. I didn't buy Space Hulk either. Neither game is my cup of tea. But I sure as heck don't go on ranting about GW publishing game which doesn't interest me. Maybe someone else wants to buy it, that's great, everybody's a winner. Why on Terra I'd want to complain about the situation?

NAVARRO wrote:Because its so adult to attack a bunch of anonymous people on the net that are criticizing a game right?

Sigh I wonder how old are you guys sometimes...

Looking at it objectively, there are almost always reasonable and unreasonable people on both sides, but every participant feels like all the unreasonable ones are on the opposite side.

Love and hate always cloud opinions, and there are plenty of people with a predetermined opinion of GW that will always be on the fanboy side, or the hater side. There seems to be much more of the latter, though. Personally I would put more stock in the opinions of people who judge every product on its own merit, and there are certainly plenty of legitimate reasons not to like Dreadfleet. But there is also a slew of people here who seem to hate it just because it's from big bad GW and make up completely ridiculous excuses to complain about it.

Backfire wrote:I have to say that Dreadfleet is the first game I've seen which has earned criticism not because of its gameplay, not because of its models, but because it was released at all.

Finally, someone put it into words. I completely agree. I have no idea what the total staff working at GW is, but I cannot imagine that the people who worked on DF actually took away any significant time from other other GW product lines. I like to think that GW has some semblance of a business plan for all of their products (sometimes, that is a stretch). It is hard to gauge since everything does tend to be hush hush with them. But, my suspicion is that whatever GW is planning to release for 40k this year / next year is not impacted by this project at all.

cincydooley wrote:

megatrons2nd wrote:I have the old wizkids pirates game to use any time I want to play a naval combat game. The $115 price tag didn't help it any either, I can get 2-4 Avalon hill board games for that price.

I think comparing the WizKids Pirates game to Dreadfleet is a bit silly. The products, despite both being naval combat games, are fairly different, and the production values really can't be compared.

Does Avalon Hill still produce games?

Yes, as an imprint of Milton Bradley. There is a surprising number of traditional boxed wargames still being published by companies such as GMT.

UK prices tend to be between £30 and £60 per game.

played my first game of this sunday, shopowner gave it to a friend to teach people how to play and teach him how to play. the minis look really nice, they were impressive, though require a delicate yet stong touch to line up correctly (assuming you snap together and don't glue) they look liek they will be fun to paint as well.

the gameplay itself is fun, thogh i have no basis to compare it to beyond battleship if that counts. I enjoyed it, I may one day pick it up, but that'll likely be at the soonest toward the latter part of 6 months, have to much to pain and build already

Green is Best! wrote:I have no idea what the total staff working at GW is, but I cannot imagine that the people who worked on DF actually took away any significant time from other other GW product lines. I like to think that GW has some semblance of a business plan for all of their products (sometimes, that is a stretch). It is hard to gauge since everything does tend to be hush hush with them. But, my suspicion is that whatever GW is planning to release for 40k this year / next year is not impacted by this project at all.

Time is a limited resource, and any time spent developing the rules, art, miniatures, or backstory of DreadFleet is time that could have been spent on something else. For GW, that something else would be (usually) 40k or WHFB.

While I have no problem with GW putting out this product, I also didn't purchase it for a number of reasons unrelated to what I think GW should have been spending their time on (despite some of the broad assertions made above). However, comments like this one are particularly fanboy-ish..

mikhaila wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Kurgash wrote:I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

lol, why, does the mat not look so good in person? I didn't get a chance to take a good look at it myself.

It's so thin that she thought it wouldn't hold up to having a bunch of sharp plastic ships on it and would tear the off chance an edge caught the mat. $115 for the product, 30 in plastic, 10 in cardboard and 75 for the silk table cloth!

Tell her the matt goes on the table, and the flat side of the ships go on the clothe.

On second thought, no, don't let her buy it! Anyone that could tear up the matt somehow while moving the 'sharp' plastic ships, is going to rip out an artery while rolling dice.

its comments like this that make me want to visit your shop one day sir!

but having played it I can say at no point was anythign catching on the mat I played on, we pulled the mat tight, put small weights on the corners and everythign slip without even a hint of catching the cloth

Kilkrazy wrote:

cincydooley wrote:

megatrons2nd wrote:I have the old wizkids pirates game to use any time I want to play a naval combat game. The $115 price tag didn't help it any either, I can get 2-4 Avalon hill board games for that price.

I think comparing the WizKids Pirates game to Dreadfleet is a bit silly. The products, despite both being naval combat games, are fairly different, and the production values really can't be compared.

Does Avalon Hill still produce games?

Yes, as an imprint of Milton Bradley. There is a surprising number of traditional boxed wargames still being published by companies such as GMT.

UK prices tend to be between £30 and £60 per game.

Yeah, I know GMT, Lock n Load, etc are still making traditional boxed wargames. I'd forgotten that Axis & Allies and Battle Cry still had the Avalon Hill logo on them I always associate Avalon Hill with their older counter and chit boxed wargames, I suppose.

Personally I can't justify spending that amount of money on a board game that nobody else around me will play. I made that mistake with Space Hulk (even purchased the BF foam inserts for it), and years later I still have only played it twice.

biccat wrote:Time is a limited resource, and any time spent developing the rules, art, miniatures, or backstory of DreadFleet is time that could have been spent on something else. For GW, that something else would be (usually) 40k or WHFB.

True, but that is also making the assumption that GW would have used those resources towards the next 40k or WHFB project. My point being that if GW planned on releasing 3 new codexes next year, this project would have no bearing on that. Not doing DF would not make them do a 4th nor would it improve the quality of the 3 coming out.

Was there this much backlash towards the Horus Heresy boardgame that came out a year or so ago? (I am honestly asking). Or was that given a pass because it was 40k related?

From a playability standpoint, I like the way DF plays. Its fun. Fairly easy to learn, and looks like you can do several different scenarios to keep it fresh. While I think it is a bit pricy, I don't think it is overcosted. I have wasted way more than a $115 on a night of drinking at the bar and / or strip joint.

Green is Best! wrote:True, but that is also making the assumption that GW would have used those resources towards the next 40k or WHFB project. My point being that if GW planned on releasing 3 new codexes next year, this project would have no bearing on that. Not doing DF would not make them do a 4th nor would it improve the quality of the 3 coming out.

They had to use those resources towards something. If they had dedicated those resources towards a Warhams project, they would have produced more/better product.

I have to say that Dreadfleet is the first game I've seen which has earned criticism not because of its gameplay, not because of its models, but because it was released at all.

People have stated why they are not interested.
Like Biccat my reasons are purely to do with what the game is and not what it isn't.
I am not obliged to pee myself in excitement just because GW have released a game.

Again for the record, may those that have the game get much joy of it. Hope I am not speaking out of turn, but am sure I speak not only for myself here but for many others too.