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H.B.M.C. wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:People can have multiple reasons for not liking something

Apparently not. If you dislike Dreadfleet it's because your 'pet game' didn't get a release. Or, if you're like me, and you're indifferent to the whole thing, it's also just because your 'pet game' didn't get a release.

Weird, eh?

Pft, hator.

I have mine already. I ordered 3 of them.

Sidstyler wrote:Someone explain to me why you think GW would produce an expansion for a game that was a limited release? What would the point be? The only people who would get any use out of the expansion are the ones who were able to get a copy of the original game while it was still available. It makes no sense to make an expansion for a game like that, not unless Dreadfleet becomes a permanent addition to their game library and it obviously isn't.

I wouldn't even call that wishful thinking.

Shht! You are trying to use reason and logic in a discussion with GW fanboys, those two things are kind of mutually exclusive...

Ultramarinescout wrote:I have mine already. I ordered 3 of them.

Quelle que porquoi?

PhantomViper wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Someone explain to me why you think GW would produce an expansion for a game that was a limited release? What would the point be? The only people who would get any use out of the expansion are the ones who were able to get a copy of the original game while it was still available. It makes no sense to make an expansion for a game like that, not unless Dreadfleet becomes a permanent addition to their game library and it obviously isn't.

I wouldn't even call that wishful thinking.

Shht! You are trying to use reason and logic in a discussion with GW fanboys, those two things are kind of mutually exclusive...

You seem to really enjoy those blanket statements, Viper.

Based on this Forum, GW is damned if they do, damned if they don't. People have been clamouring for GW to release boxed games again. They are starting to, and because it isn't the boxed game you wanted, they "fail." My copy of Dreadfleet looks amazing, and I can't wait to get my first game in today after I finish with some meetings.

I also grabbed up 2 copies. I am not one to pay retail for GW to often, but I am very happy with my purchase. I havent gotten a chance to really dive into the contents yet, but just from my skim on the rules and a quick look at the models I think it's going to be a great game.

I don't often say this, but I think this one is a win for GW.

cincydooley wrote:Based on this Forum, GW is damned if they do, damned if they don't. People have been clamouring for GW to release boxed games again. They are starting to, and because it isn't the boxed game you wanted, they "fail." My copy of Dreadfleet looks amazing, and I can't wait to get my first game in today after I finish with some meetings.

Take a look back at some of the old "boxed games" that GW have put out in the past - they are mostly extensions of the tabletop games; generally squad level games for WHFB, or 40K. Products that either lead new players into the "big two", or which players of the "big two" can get into to change the pace.

DF doesn't really fit that - it is kind of like BFG - it does relate to the core game universe (although not as strongly as BFG IMO), but being limited means it probably will not reach anyone outside the hobby, so will not be bringing in new players. Also means we are less likely to see any expansions in the future as there is an even more limited market than the standard games GW sells.

Having not played the game myself, I can't really speak about the gameplay, but again, looking at the other boxed games GW have released in the past, they are extensions of the main tabletop games, making them easier to pick up and play. Something that may count against you finding pick up games in your local gaming store (assuming they will let you play the game ).

cincydooley wrote:People have been clamouring for GW to release boxed games again. They are starting to, and because it isn't the boxed game you wanted, they "fail." My copy of Dreadfleet looks amazing, and I can't wait to get my first game in today after I finish with some meetings.

I can't comment for other people, but in my case, I love the fact that GW might release one-off games based on the fluff of WHF or 40k. I love the fluff for both systems. My problem with DF is the price. For me $115 is too much to invest for a one-off game, regardless of the quality of the components. Unlike Space Hulk, which included pieces that were compatable with another GW game, Dread Fleet pieces are pretty much exclusive to the box set. I would be all over this game if it was priced at around $60-$70, even if that means that the quality of the ships and mat were considerably lower.

Judging by what has been been posted, many people disagree with my viewpoint, and they are entitled to their view that the game is well worth the price. I imagine that if the price point wasn't so high, many more people would be of the same opinion.

Well, I picked up my copy and a friend and I spent the evening putting everything together. We ended up playing several games and we both enjoyed it.

So, whether it is worht $115 to you or not is your choice. But, for me, I have no regrets.

augustus5 wrote:

cincydooley wrote:People have been clamouring for GW to release boxed games again. They are starting to, and because it isn't the boxed game you wanted, they "fail." My copy of Dreadfleet looks amazing, and I can't wait to get my first game in today after I finish with some meetings.

I can't comment for other people, but in my case, I love the fact that GW might release one-off games based on the fluff of WHF or 40k. I love the fluff for both systems. My problem with DF is the price. For me $115 is too much to invest for a one-off game, regardless of the quality of the components. Unlike Space Hulk, which included pieces that were compatable with another GW game, Dread Fleet pieces are pretty much exclusive to the box set. I would be all over this game if it was priced at around $60-$70, even if that means that the quality of the ships and mat were considerably lower.

Judging by what has been been posted, many people disagree with my viewpoint, and they are entitled to their view that the game is well worth the price. I imagine that if the price point wasn't so high, many more people would be of the same opinion.

I don't begrudge you for that; however, you've gotta consider that the game, as is, is right there with the market standard for a stand-alone board game with components like that. The best comparison right now is, IMO, Dust Tactics from FFG. Very comparable components. The GW ones are (IMO) of higher quality, but only slightly. Contain about the same amount of plastic. DF has the really nice mat, where Dust has the game boards. You're looking at a MSRP of $115 for dreadfleet vs $100 for Dust Tactics. They're close.

Just play Battlefleet Gothic, cheaper and the rules are free.

BFG:

Space mat: About $35
10x cruisers @ 2 for 20: $100
Order dice: $10

Nope, not really cheaper.

cincydooley wrote:Based on this Forum, GW is damned if they do, damned if they don't. People have been clamouring for GW to release boxed games again. They are starting to, and because it isn't the boxed game you wanted, they "fail." My copy of Dreadfleet looks amazing, and I can't wait to get my first game in today after I finish with some meetings.

No, they're damned in this case because they didn't really release a boxed game at all, they released a collectible.

You brought up Dust Tactics and compared it to Dreadfleet, but there's a few differences. I can still buy Dust Tactics, long after it was first released. What happens a few months from now when I get a chance to play Dreadfleet with someone and decide I want my own copy? Oh yeah, I'm fethed, because GW doesn't want customers like me, they want people who freak out over "limited quantities" and buy like 3 fething copies before even trying the game out, people who I know for a fact have no intention of actually using all three copies and plan on selling them later for a little profit. It's almost like the game itself doesn't really matter, they're trying to sell it based purely on the fact that it has pretty ship models (not in my opinion, there's a few ships in the box I like [the Swordfysh or whatever it's called], but all in all I'm not floored by any of them) and that it's a limited time only thing. It's less of a board game and more of an investment, you'd have to be an idiot to buy a copy and actually crack it open because you're going to ruin the resale value.

Dust Tactics also has expansions, because FFG actually wants people to enjoy the game and keep playing it. GW could care less if you like Dreadfleet or not because once it's gone it's gone and they don't have to feth with it anymore.

CptJake wrote:BFG:

Space mat: About $35
10x cruisers @ 2 for 20: $100
Order dice: $10

Nope, not really cheaper.

Black felt, $5
printed markers for the orders, free.

Cheaper, and if you want more ships or different fleets, they're out there.

Yep, you can also use sticks from your back yard instead of buying ships at all.

That doesn't change the fact that to play BFG with GW ships in the same quantity that Dread Fleet comes with and a mat close to the quality of what is included in Dread Fleet you are going to pay at least as much as Dread Fleet.

The Mad Tanker said "Just play Battlefleet Gothic, cheaper and the rules are free " which is clearly not the case.

Wanna build up another strawman?

I'm just going to stop in here and say, the Dreadfleet models are awesome. It sounds like everybody is being a negative Nancy about it. If it doesn't float your boat, don't buy it. But for me, who cares a lot more about the painting and modelling aspect, I'm going to say that these boats are just totally awesome. It was worth all the money I spent. And hey, it's not meant to be the biggest and baddest thing ever, it's just a cool side game with cool models and interesting stories. I'm diggin it, it was definitely worth the wait.

CptJake wrote:Yep, you can also use sticks from your back yard instead of buying ships at all.

That doesn't change the fact that to play BFG with GW ships in the same quantity that Dread Fleet comes with and a mat close to the quality of what is included in Dread Fleet you are going to pay at least as much as Dread Fleet.

The Mad Tanker said "Just play Battlefleet Gothic, cheaper and the rules are free " which is clearly not the case.

Wanna build up another strawman?

I didn't build up a strawman. I accepted your point about the ships and the mat arguement you made is a strawman since BFG has never needed one. At that, a starfield map is vastly simple to make and look good if you just have to have a chubber for one. Buying the dice is about silly when all they are is a marker for the order.

Sidstyler wrote:

cincydooley wrote:Based on this Forum, GW is damned if they do, damned if they don't. People have been clamouring for GW to release boxed games again. They are starting to, and because it isn't the boxed game you wanted, they "fail." My copy of Dreadfleet looks amazing, and I can't wait to get my first game in today after I finish with some meetings.

No, they're damned in this case because they didn't really release a boxed game at all, they released a collectible.

You brought up Dust Tactics and compared it to Dreadfleet, but there's a few differences. I can still buy Dust Tactics, long after it was first released. What happens a few months from now when I get a chance to play Dreadfleet with someone and decide I want my own copy? Oh yeah, I'm fethed, because GW doesn't want customers like me, they want people who freak out over "limited quantities" and buy like 3 fething copies before even trying the game out, people who I know for a fact have no intention of actually using all three copies and plan on selling them later for a little profit. It's almost like the game itself doesn't really matter, they're trying to sell it based purely on the fact that it has pretty ship models (not in my opinion, there's a few ships in the box I like [the Swordfysh or whatever it's called], but all in all I'm not floored by any of them) and that it's a limited time only thing. It's less of a board game and more of an investment, you'd have to be an idiot to buy a copy and actually crack it open because you're going to ruin the resale value.
Dust Tactics also has expansions, because FFG actually wants people to enjoy the game and keep playing it. GW could care less if you like Dreadfleet or not because once it's gone it's gone and they don't have to feth with it anymore.

I see feth a lot on these forums. What does it mean and what does it come from?

I used Dust Tactics as a pricing comparison. I never said they were comparable games. They're not intended to be. FWIW dust tactics is plenty playable out of the box without a single expansion. I don't quite understand this sentiment that something has to be expanded upon to make it better, or because it is expanded on it is better. Hell, there are 5 Twilight movies; I think we can all agree that expanding on the first does not make it better.

cincydooley wrote:I see feth a lot on these forums. What does it mean and what does it come from?

It's how Dakka censors the "F-word". I have no control over it. :(

Anyway, I'm not saying expansions necessarily make a game any better, but people do like it and it's kinda cool to see a game continue to get support after it's initial release. It makes me think the company actually cares about the product, as opposed to the "fire and forget"-style release of Dreadfleet which makes me think GW put in just enough effort to make the game look good, but doesn't really give a damn about it and can't wait for it to sell out so they can focus on the next big cash grab (and stop talking and dressing like pirates).

CptJake wrote:Yep, you can also use sticks from your back yard instead of buying ships at all.

That doesn't change the fact that to play BFG with GW ships in the same quantity that Dread Fleet comes with and a mat close to the quality of what is included in Dread Fleet you are going to pay at least as much as Dread Fleet.

The Mad Tanker said "Just play Battlefleet Gothic, cheaper and the rules are free " which is clearly not the case.

Wanna build up another strawman?

Strawman? Don't you mean STICKFLEET, the next greatest game known to man!

The thing about BFG though, it might cost about the same if you want to play on a fancy mat and with a large number of models, but it doesn't require that you spend all that money at once if you don't want to. You can buy into BFG any time you want, you can start small and add to your fleet later when you want to, and black felt works just fine until you feel like getting a fancier printed mat. That alone makes it better than Dreadfleet in my opinion, which GW purposely didn't give me time to make my mind up on.

LadyGray wrote:I'm just going to stop in here and say, the Dreadfleet models are awesome. It sounds like everybody is being a negative Nancy about it. If it doesn't float your boat, don't buy it. But for me, who cares a lot more about the painting and modelling aspect, I'm going to say that these boats are just totally awesome. It was worth all the money I spent. And hey, it's not meant to be the biggest and baddest thing ever, it's just a cool side game with cool models and interesting stories. I'm diggin it, it was definitely worth the wait.

I drove an hour to the "local" store today to see it in person, and the models do look much better in person than I thought. Very nicely detailed, even if most of the ship designs don't really "wow" me. Still love the Swordfysh and the Black Kraken, but not enough to pay $115 for the game. The store only has four copies, not sure I see them lasting long in case I change my mind later.

The "durr hurr skulls" islands are still stupid though. Like seriously, you can't think of anything else? You couldn't just do something cool like rocky spires sticking up out of the water or something a little more otherworldly or alien, it's gotta be as stupid and cheesy as possible because they want you to be embarrassed with yourself for having spent $115 on it, apparently. One island in the shape of a skull would have been enough to satisfy their fetish and make you think "Ahh, yeah, there's a skull, lol that's funny, that's so GW...", but no...

cincydooley wrote:I see feth a lot on these forums. What does it mean and what does it come from?

It's a 40K swear-word, coined in the Gaunt's Ghosts books, IIRC.

LadyGray wrote:I'm just going to stop in here and say, the Dreadfleet models are awesome. It sounds like everybody is being a negative Nancy about it. If it doesn't float your boat, don't buy it. But for me, who cares a lot more about the painting and modelling aspect, I'm going to say that these boats are just totally awesome. It was worth all the money I spent. And hey, it's not meant to be the biggest and baddest thing ever, it's just a cool side game with cool models and interesting stories. I'm diggin it, it was definitely worth the wait.

Agreed. I have started assembling the ships and I think they are great. If you enjoy assembling, and painting you can count that in the entertainment value (I do). Now add the hours of game play just on the standard missions. Now swap sides with your buddy and add that as well. If the game is really good start making your own missions (I am sure at least one gaming group in the world will do so, and the missions will probably make it to the internet). I would think all of that is good for at least 200 hours.

Now lets go to the movies. 10 dollars goes for my ticket (maybe a bit less for a matinee). I decide to buy popcorn and a soda. 8 dollars sounds about right for that. I am now out 18 dollars for an hour and a half. 7 movies is going to cost you 126 dollars. You have gotten 11 hours of entertainment at most.

IMO everyone should go see less movies and try Dreadfleet.

No

insaniak wrote:

cincydooley wrote:I see feth a lot on these forums. What does it mean and what does it come from?

It's a 40K swear-word, coined in the Gaunt's Ghosts books, IIRC.

You are almost right!

'Feth'/'fething' and 'gak' are common swearwords from the comic book '2000AD' (along with 'Grud' and 'drokk/drakk' although those aren't used here)
And of course, Dan Abnett used to write for Judge Dredd and 2000AD, I'm not sure if he coined the phrases though or just adopted them for use in Gaunts Ghosts and other books he has written.

I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

Kurgash wrote:I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

Really? As a game matt I think it looks great. I sold a ton of them over the weekend. Some of the sales were just from people seeing the mostly unpainted plastic ships on the game matt. General consensus was that the matt was well made, and I didn't hear anyone complaining about it.

Kurgash wrote:I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

lol, why, does the mat not look so good in person? I didn't get a chance to take a good look at it myself.

LadyGray wrote:I'm just going to stop in here and say, the Dreadfleet models are awesome. It sounds like everybody is being a negative Nancy about it. If it doesn't float your boat, don't buy it. But for me, who cares a lot more about the painting and modelling aspect, I'm going to say that these boats are just totally awesome. It was worth all the money I spent. And hey, it's not meant to be the biggest and baddest thing ever, it's just a cool side game with cool models and interesting stories. I'm diggin it, it was definitely worth the wait.

Think you are missing the point of the negative reactions

The issue is less about whether the models are awesome or not, which is a matter of personal opinion, and more about GW's marketing decisions.

I also like the modelling aspects of the hobby but won't stump up £70 for a bunch of random boats that are specific to a limited edition game.
If it had not have been a one shot system it would have appealed more to me.
If I wanted £70 worth of plastic to model there are quite a few Airfix kits that would fit the bill. Alternatively, as I have already done I can get something like Freebooters which will also allow me to use the figures for other Pirate games.

Finally please don't suggest that people do not buy if they don't like.
You will find that we have already sussed that out for ourselves.

Good post Sidster btw

Sidstyler wrote:

Kurgash wrote:I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

lol, why, does the mat not look so good in person? I didn't get a chance to take a good look at it myself.

It's so thin that she thought it wouldn't hold up to having a bunch of sharp plastic ships on it and would tear the off chance an edge caught the mat. $115 for the product, 30 in plastic, 10 in cardboard and 75 for the silk table cloth!

Kurgash wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Kurgash wrote:I watched a person buy dreadfleet with a face full of excitement and anticipation. The moment she found the silken 'table cloth' sea map her face contorted and immediately she was doubting why she bought said product. It was the most beautiful thing I'd seen in a long time.

lol, why, does the mat not look so good in person? I didn't get a chance to take a good look at it myself.

It's so thin that she thought it wouldn't hold up to having a bunch of sharp plastic ships on it and would tear the off chance an edge caught the mat. $115 for the product, 30 in plastic, 10 in cardboard and 75 for the silk table cloth!

Yeah, I'm not surprised if the non-model components in the box feel kinda cheap. And I really doubt the mat is actually "crinkle/crease free" like they claim, too.

I am considering filing the sharp edges on the ship bases slightly as the mat in all honesty does snag on the bases a lot. Maybe I could even get some adhesive blue felt for the bottoms. I don't think it'll tear with normal use, however.