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Putting my copy together tonite. So far, the ships have been snapping together far easier than Pirates of the caribean. One little clue is that each ship has a letter, find all the parts for that letter. Most are grouped pretty well on the sprues. The outside of the box also has some diagrams, and WD has some stuff in the margins. I found it odd there wasn't an instruction sheet in the box, but once I got started, I found one wasn't needed at all.

The matt is a silky material that I've seen before. Wears well and will not crease easily. Hoping to get it all put together tonite and maybe primer up some of the ships and start painting my set for demos tomorrow. I'm liking the fluff. Each ship has some very distinct history to it.

People don't like Dreadfleet because it wasn't the pet project they wanted it to be, pure a simple. I thought the last thing people would hate is a new specialist game.

I mean, anytime GW goes a does something that doesn't involve SPACE MARINES has to be a good thing, right?

Just picked up a copy after midnight, gotta say I really like the models, the "mat", everything about it is extremely detailed and crisp looking. I can't wait to get it tossed together and primed so I can have a go at it.

Although I was hoping for a complete game TBH, building DE for 40 right now is really eating up all of my snipping/gluing time. not to mention painting/detailing

evilsponge wrote:People don't like Dreadfleet because it wasn't the pet project they wanted it to be, pure a simple. I thought the last thing people would hate is a new specialist game.

I mean, anytime GW goes a does something that doesn't involve SPACE MARINES has to be a good thing, right?

Great post. Let's go over what you said:

1. You made a blanket assumption about everyone who dislikes a particular product, in this case Dreadfleet. Way to start off with a hasty generalisation.
2. You make the assumption that this is a new 'specialist game' when it is far from that. There are a few specialist games - you can buy them direct from GW. Space Hulk, and Dreadfleet after it, are not specialist games. They are one-off's.
3. Some added 'Space Marine hate' nonsense, finishing off your fine post with a poorly-crafted strawman.

As I said, what a great post.

I thought about doing a midnight release, but way too much going on tomorrow, and just knew we'd end up playing the game until 4am.)

Frankly underwhelmed by the game and the price

We had a midnight release, in a way. The store was actually open late for the new MTG set release party, which meant there was no room for anyone else there and so we played BSG at a friend's place, but I was able to stop by on my way home to pick up Dreadfleet.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

evilsponge wrote:People don't like Dreadfleet because it wasn't the pet project they wanted it to be, pure a simple. I thought the last thing people would hate is a new specialist game.

I mean, anytime GW goes a does something that doesn't involve SPACE MARINES has to be a good thing, right?

Great post. Let's go over what you said:

1. You made a blanket assumption about everyone who dislikes a particular product, in this case Dreadfleet. Way to start off with a hasty generalisation.
2. You make the assumption that this is a new 'specialist game' when it is far from that. There are a few specialist games - you can buy them direct from GW. Space Hulk, and Dreadfleet after it, are not specialist games. They are one-off's.
3. Some added 'Space Marine hate' nonsense, finishing off your fine post with a poorly-crafted strawman.

As I said, what a great post.

1) Thanks captain obvious, I guess hyperbole is a foreign concept on the internet.

2) Says who? How do you know they'll never expand upon it?

3) You got me Professor, so whats my final grade?

I was under the impression that Dread Fleet won't be expanded

They have already made a big investrment for only 65000 units
Assuming they all sell, they will then have to make another investment for the expansion. There is no guaranteeing everyone that has bought Dread Fleet will want an expansion

All things being equal I don't see it happening tbh
Would not rule out a future 2nd edition of Dread DFleet first though. Then an Expansion may be plausible, but who knows.

GW don't seem to know what they are doing half the time, so second guessing them is a tricky business

evilsponge wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

evilsponge wrote:People don't like Dreadfleet because it wasn't the pet project they wanted it to be, pure a simple. I thought the last thing people would hate is a new specialist game.

I mean, anytime GW goes a does something that doesn't involve SPACE MARINES has to be a good thing, right?

Great post. Let's go over what you said:

1. You made a blanket assumption about everyone who dislikes a particular product, in this case Dreadfleet. Way to start off with a hasty generalisation.
2. You make the assumption that this is a new 'specialist game' when it is far from that. There are a few specialist games - you can buy them direct from GW. Space Hulk, and Dreadfleet after it, are not specialist games. They are one-off's.
3. Some added 'Space Marine hate' nonsense, finishing off your fine post with a poorly-crafted strawman.

As I said, what a great post.

1) Thanks captain obvious, I guess hyperbole is a foreign concept on the internet.

2) Says who? How do you know they'll never expand upon it?

3) You got me Professor, so whats my final grade?

3) I could give you a grade but first your points have to make errr... sense.

Something interesting that I think has been overlooked...

Considering the self-contained nature of the game and the fact that each ship is essentially a "character", there is actually a way for expandability in the form of Forge World or Games Workshop proper doing a resin line of character vessels.

Guys, for those of you who were asking, it is Definitely worth picking up the White Dwarf if you got Dreadfleet. A whole page devoted to each ship's painting scheme, etc etc. Will be very helpful when I start painting it!

The liquid greenstuff is also fantastic-looking

Kanluwen wrote:Something interesting that I think has been overlooked...

Considering the self-contained nature of the game and the fact that each ship is essentially a "character", there is actually a way for expandability in the form of Forge World or Games Workshop proper doing a resin line of character vessels.

Would have been greate if they did this, 3 - 5 ships more/side for added variation.
This is the main reason why i'm a little hesitant on getting Dreadfleet since i often get bored with stuff that lacks variation, where i end up doing the same thing over and over and over again with no variation in what i can use.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
As I said, what a great post.

However, he has a point in that most of the dislike seems to come from that GW didn't re-release <insert old game here>.

Whereas many old-time fans undoubtely would like to see their old, sentimental favourite redone in awesome fashion like Space Hulk was, is this really a direction a company wants to take? You can ride nostalgia only for so long. I'm not personally interested about Dreadfleet one bit, but I think it's great they release something, you know, NEW.

I mean, it's like if say, Manowar would re-record their 30 year old debut album with all the old classics and market it to the fans hyping up its slick modern production, instead of composing and recording actual new material. Regardless of how good the album would sound, I would be left pretty worried about the creative state of the band. Thankfully however, ... hey, now, wait a minute...

Oh, no...

Kanluwen wrote:Considering the self-contained nature of the game and the fact that each ship is essentially a "character", there is actually a way for expandability in the form of Forge World or Games Workshop proper doing a resin line of character vessels.

Yeah... 'cept they won't.

If GW even considered the Forge World route for expanding upon Dreadfleet, they would have done so for Space Hulk. Hell, even the original Space Hulk had a Deathwing expansion with many missions, Genestealer Cultists, Harlequins, etc. Space Hulk's reveal was met with much much praise compared to Dreadfleet.

Dreadfleet, in its limited print run, is quite unlikely to get any expansions.

Absolutionis wrote:If GW even considered the Forge World route for expanding upon Dreadfleet, they would have done so for Space Hulk.

Says who? Doing X for Y does not necessarily mean they won't do W for Z.

Hell, even the original Space Hulk had a Deathwing expansion with many missions, Genestealer Cultists, Harlequins, etc. Space Hulk's reveal was met with much much praise compared to Dreadfleet.

Which really doesn't mean anything in the long run.

Space Hulk has plenty of models that can be subbed in by players who want to expand it. Dreadfleet does not. If they really, really wanted to--or if Forge World decided they really liked the idea of it--then there's nothing to stop them from doing it.

Dreadfleet, in its limited print run, is quite unlikely to get any expansions.

Being unlikely to does not mean there's no avenue for it.

Stop kidding yourself Kan. It is a 'fire and forget' release made to boost the profit outlook for a specific quarter.

Not buying this, if I wanted a naval tabletop game, I know I could find a better one out there. The'fleets' look cobbled together and an attempt to include every race, personally I would have preferred a more uniform look than the mish-mash GW have put together.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Stop kidding yourself Kan. It is a 'fire and forget' release made to boost the profit outlook for a specific quarter.

For it to 'boost profits' doesn't that mean people have to buy it? If people are buying it then what's the problem except for people who are sad their pet game didn't get to be re-released?

If they are going to do yearly regurgitations of old stuff, someone will always be pissed 'their favorite' didn't get re-released. I love BB and am looking forward to that... But Necromunda fans and Epic fans will cry because they didn't get the 2012 release.

Commander Cain wrote:Not buying this, if I wanted a naval tabletop game, I know I could find a better one out there. The'fleets' look cobbled together and an attempt to include every race, personally I would have preferred a more uniform look than the mish-mash GW have put together.

They have a full, really nice fluff look to explain the "cobbling together."

Personally, I like it a lot more than a bunch of ships from the same fleet. Each ship certainly has the 'feel' of the race from which it is derived.

I knew it was a worthwhile purchase when my wife picked up the Empire Flagship and said, "This look pretty cool; when are you gonna teach me?"

Perhaps I worded my post wrong, I am sure if I read the fluff I would enjoy it thoroughly, each ship certainly fits in with their respective race very well, however I feel that when the ships are all put together there is just too much going on visually for me.

Also when I said that I could find a better naval game, I was referring to one that is a more two sided fight ie; Royal Navy vs Pirates etc

Someone explain to me why you think GW would produce an expansion for a game that was a limited release? What would the point be? The only people who would get any use out of the expansion are the ones who were able to get a copy of the original game while it was still available. It makes no sense to make an expansion for a game like that, not unless Dreadfleet becomes a permanent addition to their game library and it obviously isn't.

I wouldn't even call that wishful thinking.

Is it supposed to be released already? I see it in a hobby store for sale.

Kurgash wrote:Is it supposed to be released already? I see it in a hobby store for sale.

Came out today. Got mine put together and a few ships painted. Playing all day tomorrow.

If they are going to do yearly regurgitations of old stuff, someone will always be pissed 'their favorite' didn't get re-released. I love BB and am looking forward to that... But Necromunda fans and Epic fans will cry because they didn't get the 2012 release.

Am a Necromunda fan yet I sob not. In fact, don't care a scabby Scavvy's arse if GW never release any Necro stuff ever again
Nor indeed am I in any way upset, miffed or peeved that GW decided to release Dread Fleet.

Doesn't mean to say that I cannot have an opinion on how things may have been done differently.
May be proved wrong in the long run, but that is okay. As I see it HBMC is correct that Dreadfleet is a one shot wonder.

For the record I wish those that have purchased the game every joy from it.

nkelsch wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Stop kidding yourself Kan. It is a 'fire and forget' release made to boost the profit outlook for a specific quarter.

For it to 'boost profits' doesn't that mean people have to buy it? If people are buying it then what's the problem except for people who are sad their pet game didn't get to be re-released?

If they are going to do yearly regurgitations of old stuff, someone will always be pissed 'their favorite' didn't get re-released. I love BB and am looking forward to that... But Necromunda fans and Epic fans will cry because they didn't get the 2012 release.

Perhaps some will , but many don't... but some of you do seem to know everything about other peoples reasons

Me I'm happy they take the time to invest in re-editions of very successful and appreciated old games, its one step in the right direction and when they figure out that with little continuous support to those games they will make a BIG difference in therms of pumping peoples interest in GW products, then that would be a good comeback to specialist games ( that should never have been unsupported for so many years).

nkelsch wrote:For it to 'boost profits' doesn't that mean people have to buy it? If people are buying it then what's the problem except for people who are sad their pet game didn't get to be re-released?

If they are going to do yearly regurgitations of old stuff, someone will always be pissed 'their favorite' didn't get re-released. I love BB and am looking forward to that... But Necromunda fans and Epic fans will cry because they didn't get the 2012 release.

Seriously - what the feth do you want? Both here and in the FW thread - aggressive posts directed at me for seemingly no reason. Are you trying to pick a fight with me, is that what this, above (^^^^^) is? 'Cause it's gettin' kinda silly.

And what has this 'pet game' bs got to do with anything I said about this being a one-shot wonder game?

evilsponge wrote:People don't like Dreadfleet because it wasn't the pet project they wanted it to be, pure a simple. I thought the last thing people would hate is a new specialist game.

People can have multiple reasons for not liking something - I don't like Dreadfleet as I am not interested in sea based naval warfare, I don't like how most of the ships look, I don't like the look of the "fleets" (as they look like a mish-mash of ships, rather than fleets that would actually be siding with one another), I don't want to get yet another gaming system, I don't want to get a gaming system that is not related to anything I play (as I do not play WHFB) and it is too expensive for me.

This is aside from the fact that I would much rather it have been a re-release of Space Hulk, WHQ, HQ, or Necromunda - all games that I have previous editions (and expansions) of, or have played and enjoyed, or would enjoy playing.

SilverMK2 wrote:People can have multiple reasons for not liking something

Apparently not. If you dislike Dreadfleet it's because your 'pet game' didn't get a release. Or, if you're like me, and you're indifferent to the whole thing, it's also just because your 'pet game' didn't get a release.

Weird, eh?