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Death By Monkeys wrote:

Lysenis wrote:The Escort rule alone helps BA out and will make them more competitive since I can Deep Strike an Assault Squad and have this thing pop up ~6" away and then have it shooting everything. This also means that if it can have Melta's (wishlisting) then I can also have a better chance at popping anything. If it does have melta's/flamers Vanilla Marines will have a field day with it.

BA need to be more competitive, why? Because they're #3 on the power scale to GKs and SW?

From everything said on BOW, it will not have meltas. HB/AC standard with options for TL Las, Typhoon MLs, and Skyhammer missiles. The HB/AC aren't bad for deepstriking. But DSing AV11 into enemy lines is asking to get shot down. You'll have to hope that it and the DSed unit you dropped can clear a good amount of space to keep it from dying next turn.

You dont get it. Here lets put into a tactical perspective. I Deep Strike a combat squad of Assault marines and libby with an escort or 2 of these Stormtalons, after moving, shooting, and etc its my opponents turn. What will he shoot at? With the vehicle damage chart so chaotic and random will both die? What about the rest of my Preds, and Dreads? Tactically the Stormtalon is a godsend to BA. It gives us a very needed "shock and awe" factor making something that will force a change to my opponents kill priority list. for 130 pts, (180 if my assumptions are right for the stormhammer missile and typhoon missile) I can pump upwards of 5 shots at vulnerable AR 10 to 12 while the assault squad it escorted gets molested less. This is important to me at least.

lord_blackfang wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Because normal Warhammer games imo are too small for fliers. Now Fast Skimmers are one thing but vehicles that barrel around at mach 2? No way to realistically depict them unless you go the Forge World route in which half the time the aircraft go veering off board

You forget the tech level of the setting. There's no reason why even "fixed-wing" craft wouldn't mount a basic grav drive at least as a backup system, allowing them to perform much like today's helicopters. Super-science jets really cease to be their own category and are really just grav tanks that can fly really really fast if they have to.

I would like to think by the year 40,000 anything at or above human tech level wouldnt even need wings or similar flight surfaces, unless included for aesthetic reasons. Even with a minimal amount of tech improvement Id say grav drives would be old news 38,000 years from now.

Of course one would think the same thing of powder propelled slug throwing weapons....

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/warhammer-40k/orks.html

Semi Official......Half way down page the Blitza Bomber appears

I gotta get one lol

I hope every one realizes that just because www.totalwargamer.co.uk has items that are coming up it could be because they are using BoW as the source for all this.

Lysenis wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Lysenis wrote:The Escort rule alone helps BA out and will make them more competitive since I can Deep Strike an Assault Squad and have this thing pop up ~6" away and then have it shooting everything. This also means that if it can have Melta's (wishlisting) then I can also have a better chance at popping anything. If it does have melta's/flamers Vanilla Marines will have a field day with it.

BA need to be more competitive, why? Because they're #3 on the power scale to GKs and SW?

From everything said on BOW, it will not have meltas. HB/AC standard with options for TL Las, Typhoon MLs, and Skyhammer missiles. The HB/AC aren't bad for deepstriking. But DSing AV11 into enemy lines is asking to get shot down. You'll have to hope that it and the DSed unit you dropped can clear a good amount of space to keep it from dying next turn.

You dont get it. Here lets put into a tactical perspective. I Deep Strike a combat squad of Assault marines and libby with an escort or 2 of these Stormtalons, after moving, shooting, and etc its my opponents turn. What will he shoot at? With the vehicle damage chart so chaotic and random will both die? What about the rest of my Preds, and Dreads? Tactically the Stormtalon is a godsend to BA. It gives us a very needed "shock and awe" factor making something that will force a change to my opponents kill priority list. for 130 pts, (180 if my assumptions are right for the stormhammer missile and typhoon missile) I can pump upwards of 5 shots at vulnerable AR 10 to 12 while the assault squad it escorted gets molested less. This is important to me at least.

No, I do get it. I get that the Storm Talons used that way would force your opponent to make so targetting priority decisions that he probably doesn't want to make. But you're missing my point. Blood Angels are already a competitive army with a variety of solid builds. It's not like they need more help like a variety of crappier Codicies do. Look at the poor Orks: they already get crap for anti-tank. And do their new flyers help? From what we know so far, it looks like they just get more anti-infantry. Great. Thanks, GW, way to drop the ball on an opportunity to fix something.

Good point DbM very valid. In your area BA might be #3, in my area Orks take that slot even with people running heavy mech lists. It honestly comes down to the player in my opinion.

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/necron-night-scythe.html

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/space-marine-stormtalon-gunship.html

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/ork-blizta-bommer.html

Well thats all three of them....I was looking for scenery at the time lol

Lovepug13 wrote:http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/necron-night-scythe.html

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/space-marine-stormtalon-gunship.html

http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/ork-blizta-bommer.html

Well thats all three of them....I was looking for scenery at the time lol

I wouldn't put too much stock into this as a sure thing, for reasons that are legion and obvious.

It's a bit of a stretch to put something up for sale that isn't 100% confirmed yet.

Kroothawk wrote:Deffkoptas are 3 to a box with all options. They are bigger than the box set versions. But not by much.

Ah. That addresses a concern of mine.

-Loki- wrote:The Cerebore lives!

Ah, ah, ah!

Transportofex!

Trancereboretofex?

Kroothawk wrote:Deffkoptas are 3 to a box with all options. They are bigger than the box set versions. But not by much.

I'm wondering if they have two pilots or something to cover the reason they have 2 wounds. Just a though.

ceorron wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Deffkoptas are 3 to a box with all options. They are bigger than the box set versions. But not by much.

I'm wondering if they have two pilots or something to cover the reason they have 2 wounds. Just a though.

Or maybe they're just piloted by bigger orks. Nobs still get two wounds, don't they?

However they go about it, I hope they make them cool enough to buy even for the people who already own the starter set version.

lord_blackfang wrote:However they go about it, I hope they make them cool enough to buy even for the people who already own the starter set version.

Amen to that

AlexHolker wrote:

ceorron wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Deffkoptas are 3 to a box with all options. They are bigger than the box set versions. But not by much.

I'm wondering if they have two pilots or something to cover the reason they have 2 wounds. Just a though.

Or maybe they're just piloted by bigger orks. Nobs still get two wounds, don't they?

Sounds like some where they are prepping for a new ork codex!!! Wouldn't want to see it before chaos though as they really need the new codex.With the talk that the second ork flyer (and i'm guessing the first too) being in the codex.

Would rather think deffkoptas might be better dropped to 1 wound for a reduced points cost maybe. That would also mean people would want to buy the second lot anyway to put the squad back up to full cost.

Now lets get back to them flyers!

ceorron wrote:Sounds like some where they are prepping for a new ork codex!!! Wouldn't want to see it before chaos though as they really need the new codex.With the talk that the second ork flyer (and i'm guessing the first too) being in the codex.

With 6th Ed comes a new 6th Ed starter box. When that happens the current one vanishes, and with it goes the only place you can get Deff Koptas*. This is less prepping for a new Codex and more filling a gap that they (inadvertently) are creating themselves.



*An ancient metal Gorkamorka model does not count.

Well then Space marines are screwed because you can only get the Multi-melta dread from AoBR

Enigma Crisis wrote:Well then Space marines are screwed because you can only get the Multi-melta dread from AoBR

Silly rabbit, nobody puts anything but twin-linked autocannons x2 on dreads these days...

Enigma Crisis wrote:Well then Space marines are screwed because you can only get the Multi-melta dread from AoBR

The multi-melta has been an on-again off-again option for Marine dread kits since second edition. No doubt it will wind up included in a box again sooner or later.

Enigma Crisis wrote:Well then Space marines are screwed because you can only get the Multi-melta dread from AoBR

It's far easier to convert this by jamming a landspeeder/pintle mount multimelta onto a dreadnought assault cannon arm than it is to create a deffkopta from scratch. Even then, comparing a viable unit in the codex to one weapon upgrade is kind of a laugh.

I woulx agree with Brother SRM on this one.

Now for the love of Steve can we get back on topic before this thread gets locked.

Enigma Crisis wrote:Well then Space marines are screwed because you can only get the Multi-melta dread from AoBR

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Dreadnoughts/Mk-V-DREADNOUGHT-MULTI-MELTA-RIGHT-ARM.html

and the old metal arm is still out there on ebay.

Orinoco wrote:

Enigma Crisis wrote:Well then Space marines are screwed because you can only get the Multi-melta dread from AoBR

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Dreadnoughts/Mk-V-DREADNOUGHT-MULTI-MELTA-RIGHT-ARM.html

and the old metal arm is still out there on ebay.

Ah well it looks like I'm going to have to make a forgeworld order. I can't wait for this summer to get here. My wallet is hating me already for what it knows is already coming.

Enigma Crisis wrote:
Ah well it looks like I'm going to have to make a forgeworld order. I can't wait for this summer to get here. My wallet is hating me already for what it knows is already coming.

Or you can eBay an AoBR dread right now for like 10 bucks.

Will there be any Chaos fliers coming out?

Arm.chair.general wrote:Will there be any Chaos fliers coming out?

I think that is the so far rumored dragon that people have mentioned.

ceorron wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:Will there be any Chaos fliers coming out?

I think that is the so far rumored dragon that people have mentioned.

Ugh, that concept sounds so bad to me. Why cant we get a hellblade?

Wouldn't it fit GWs pattern of "similar named" models that Chaos get the Helltalon..cheap gunship , twin linked las-cannon, auto-cannon instead of heavy bolters. I hope so... also if the Stormtalon is the flier expected.... we can all go back to wishing and arguing about the plastic Thunderhawk. Yaaaaay.

Brother Paen wrote:Wouldn't it fit GWs pattern of "similar named" models that Chaos get the Helltalon..cheap gunship , twin linked las-cannon, auto-cannon instead of heavy bolters. I hope so... also if the Stormtalon is the flier expected.... we can all go back to wishing and arguing about the plastic Thunderhawk. Yaaaaay.

That's just generic naming conventions. Space Marine aircraft are (weather)(bird) and Chaos ones are (mean word)(sharp thing).