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 TalonZahn wrote:
IMHO, it would be really cool if Arbites were in the game either as a "corrupt" faction or some sort of DM/GM/3rd party mechanic.
Say, you have 2 gangs with the same objective and you have.. 8 rounds to complete the objective. If by the 5th round neither side has progressed to X (arbitrary) checkpoint.... out come the Arbites! They just attack anyone that's not an Arbite that's close enough.
or...
The Arbites would be just another gang you could take defending an area of the Hive, or going on the offensive to bring gang numbers down, of maybe they're just corrupt and want your territory.

What would be an easy choice is that on occasion a squad is sent out into the more "lawless" areas and to scout out a "good" location to set up another "precinct" station (is that what it would be called?).
I could see it having an income tree similar to gangs but based on how much they need to crack heads.
I am a little concerned about any scale shifts: I want my Redeemer model to stop being an imperial priest and go back to his true calling:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Fair enough. I don't think the hoods would impact sales all that much though. I mean, they were fine with them 20 years ago, right?

20 years ago gays couldn't serve openly in the military or get married. Interracial marriage was also barely accepted. That's not a good barometer.

If PETA can make a stink about "fur"...

I'm all for artistic expression, but for a big company like GW it's too large of a risk.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Fair enough. I don't think the hoods would impact sales all that much though. I mean, they were fine with them 20 years ago, right?

20 years ago gays couldn't serve openly in the military or get married. Interracial marriage was also barely accepted. That's not a good barometer.

If PETA can make a stink about "fur"...

I'm all for artistic expression, but for a big company like GW it's too large of a risk.

PETA was making a stink about fur in the 80s.

There's plenty of pointed headed cultists out there and no one has given a gak about those, think you all are getting a bit to overly concerned here. It's not as if redemptionists are supposed to be good people and there's like 3 positions with the pointy hats right? There is no reason to weasel out of making pointed headed weirdos look like fire toting psychotics.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Fair enough. I don't think the hoods would impact sales all that much though. I mean, they were fine with them 20 years ago, right?

20 years ago gays couldn't serve openly in the military or get married. Interracial marriage was also barely accepted. That's not a good barometer.
If PETA can make a stink about "fur"...
I'm all for artistic expression, but for a big company like GW it's too large of a risk.

If we were to dig all that deep into the lore of the 40k world there would be little "Redeeming" about it.
It is due to being incredibly over the top that it makes the outcomes of these battles of little import: they are all kinda messed-up.
Cawdor reminds me a bit of what allowed Archie Bunker to exist as a show: he seemed to prejudice everyone equally.
I would be VERY concerned if anyone took any element of 40k even remotely seriously at least the political/religious background fluff.

Like with anything in life, taking things out of context can very quickly look horrible.
If we took any of this too seriously, anyone playing the Germans in something like Bolt Action would be answerable for war crimes...

Daedalus81 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Fair enough. I don't think the hoods would impact sales all that much though. I mean, they were fine with them 20 years ago, right?

20 years ago gays couldn't serve openly in the military or get married. Interracial marriage was also barely accepted. That's not a good barometer.

If PETA can make a stink about "fur"...

I'm all for artistic expression, but for a big company like GW it's too large of a risk.

Is there ever a time when PETA doesn't make a stink about fur? And it was attention seeking drivel. Much like complaining about the pointy hats on a bunch of models just because of a coincidence.

I need more terrain. 200 bulkheads is not enough .

Daedalus81 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Fair enough. I don't think the hoods would impact sales all that much though. I mean, they were fine with them 20 years ago, right?

20 years ago gays couldn't serve openly in the military or get married. Interracial marriage was also barely accepted. That's not a good barometer.

If PETA can make a stink about "fur"...

I'm all for artistic expression, but for a big company like GW it's too large of a risk.

I actually agree with you here. I mean, I think it's very sad that GW can't use Roman Catholic religious garments because they have become associated with a group that actually hates Catholics, but it's just worth the risk of upsetting people. It's just toy soldiers at the end of the day and, if anyone wants to create that penitent capirote look, it's should be very easy to sculpt yourself.

You sound like a bunch of old ladies.

JSG wrote:
You sound like a bunch of old ladies.

HEY I know plenty of lovely old ladies!

I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but that smaller Goliath is a Juve (hence the outlandish weapon proportions) and the Goliaths are on larger bases than the Eachers (and thus are much larger).

Pardon me, I was looking for the Necromunda Underhive thread. Anyone seen it?

Did I just hear somebody say "multipart plastic Eschers"?

What the hell guys...?

I thought space spanish inquisition medieval nazi cultist authoritism witch hunting gang violence was the whole point?

 faeslayer wrote:

I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but that smaller Goliath is a Juve (hence the outlandish weapon proportions) and the Goliaths are on larger bases than the Eachers (and thus are much larger).

We know their base sizes, all the height calculations are based on those. The Escher are taller than the Goliaths.

 Crimson wrote:

 faeslayer wrote:

I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but that smaller Goliath is a Juve (hence the outlandish weapon proportions) and the Goliaths are on larger bases than the Eachers (and thus are much larger).

We know their base sizes, all the height calculations are based on those. The Escher are taller than the Goliaths.

Thats fitting. They are more like gorilas, very wide but not as taller.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They weren't re-sculpts with separate hands. They were completely new sets of miniatures.

That was what I meant by re-sculpts. New sculpts of the same subjects.I had forgotten about the ash waste nomads, admittedly.

JSG wrote:
You sound like a bunch of old ladies.

Now I won't be happy unless there's a Monty Python Hell's Grannies gang in the new edition.

I joke of course, a new edition with some sort of modified activation rules sounds amazing. Hopefully there will be some GSC expansion rules, but I'm on board even if it's just the original gangs.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Galas wrote:
You know what could be cool? Rules for a Primaris Reiver to fuction as a "late-game campaing" boss or something like that.

With a mission like Predator 2 (The one with the black cop), the movie. He could give your gang a grapling hook if you kill him

Did something broadly similar with a Tau Stealthsuit, intended as a slightly hatstand 'wildlife documentary' maker....

Had to properly invent rules for him, which are now lost to the mists of time. But it was a bit of fun, and something unusual. He didn't open fire unless repeatedly harassed and chased.

He only needed to do it the once though.....I....I may have overclocked his Burst Cannon somewhat ruleswise.

We tried something similar with a Vindicare, and then with an Eversor Assassin.


The latter didn't go so well for the 2 gangs he went up against, as I recall...

 jake wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The pointed hoods are fine, they're available in the Frostgrave cultist box and no one has raged about them. Anyone who can't separate toy soldier designs from real life has other issues.

You're wrong. The hood's aren't fine. People who know what they're supposed to be may not have a problem with them, but that will only be a tiny percentage of the people who see them. They will generate negative reactions and bad press. You think the Fristgrave Cultists weren't a problem? Thats because they're a tiny release form a tiny company that no one ever heard of. GW is the largest tabletop gaming company in the world. If they do a release of KKK guys with flamethrowers there will be a huge backlash, no matter how many people like you say "Anyone who can't separate toy soldier designs from real life has other issues". It doesn't matter that a lot of that backlash will come from people who never played a GW product and have no interest in doing so. It doesn't matter that this style of hood is only really associated with racism in the United States. It doesn't matter that the hood has a long history in Europe. It's a ridiculously awful idea.Especially right now.

Not to mention, it won't be long before someone paints them up as KKK and circulate the pictures on the net whatever they're supposed to be.

The pointy hoods look silly anyway. Just give them normal hoods.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
What the hell guys...?

I thought space spanish inquisition medieval nazi cultist authoritism witch hunting gang violence was the whole point?

I guess nobody was expecting it

ecurtz wrote:

JSG wrote:
You sound like a bunch of old ladies.

Now I won't be happy unless there's a Monty Python Hell's Grannies gang in the new edition.

I joke of course, a new edition with some sort of modified activation rules sounds amazing. Hopefully there will be some GSC expansion rules, but I'm on board even if it's just the original gangs.

Now that's a Monty Python reference that nobody was expecting!

This new version of Necromunda is exciting to me. When I got into wargaming back 7 years ago, all the old Specialist Games were still available on GW's website. Before that purge in 2012, I managed to get into BFG, but I missed the chance to get into Necromunda (or any other Specialist Games at all, really). It's awesome to see these old games coming back in new ways with the plastic kits to match.

 Aesthete wrote:

 jake wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The pointed hoods are fine, they're available in the Frostgrave cultist box and no one has raged about them. Anyone who can't separate toy soldier designs from real life has other issues.

You're wrong. The hood's aren't fine. People who know what they're supposed to be may not have a problem with them, but that will only be a tiny percentage of the people who see them. They will generate negative reactions and bad press. You think the Fristgrave Cultists weren't a problem? Thats because they're a tiny release form a tiny company that no one ever heard of. GW is the largest tabletop gaming company in the world. If they do a release of KKK guys with flamethrowers there will be a huge backlash, no matter how many people like you say "Anyone who can't separate toy soldier designs from real life has other issues". It doesn't matter that a lot of that backlash will come from people who never played a GW product and have no interest in doing so. It doesn't matter that this style of hood is only really associated with racism in the United States. It doesn't matter that the hood has a long history in Europe. It's a ridiculously awful idea.Especially right now.

Not to mention, it won't be long before someone paints them up as KKK and circulate the pictures on the net whatever they're supposed to be.

I'm not gonna make a flush if they decide to not made pointy hoods. Maybe is just that as someone from Spain it sucks to see a national simbol become for the rest of the world something so despreciable.
But I think people is exagerating what can happen if they make the Redemptionist with those hoods. They aren't the good guys, people. They are a hateful cult that burn people alive. Thats why they wear those kind of hoods. Just like Zombie Nazis in videogame wear swastikas.

A long time ago I was given "on permanent loan" (really should have asked more what the heck that meant) all his Necromunda stuff.
Some 15 years later, he looks me up and asks for "his stuff back" (I had not gone anywhere).
Coincidence of the timing? I think not.
If I had painted and assembled those little buggers the answer would have been a resounding NO and I am pretty sure he was counting on me having done that.

So anyway, looks like I am in the market for "more" Necromunda stuff.
I feel guilty a bit on being angry but really... "permanent loan" who does that??

Either way, that's probably fleshed out the hood discussion as much as is necessary. In the interests of clearing the way for more talk of shiny Necromunda goodness, I think it's time to take further discussion of real world symbols in scifi gaming top its own thread.

 Theophony wrote:
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I need more terrain. 200 bulkheads is not enough .

We are ready:








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Beautiful table dude

 BrookM wrote:
The last edition the Enforcers were recommended to be used as a means of keeping players in check, as they did not function like a normal gang.

I remember that back when the White Dwarf crew ran a campaign the Enforcers were laughably ineffective at keeping a Van Saar gang in check, which had grown to monstrous proportions over the course of their campaign.

If I recall how the enforcers worked in the last edition it was something like:
-Didn't make income, you just got a set number of guys and then picked what you wanted for them.
-Limited armoury
-Once a Enforcer got so much XP, they retired and you remove them from your list and replace them their their juvenile equivalent.
-Only one person in a campaign could play them. (Suggested the organizer for the event)

So the idea was that well the Enforcers started out realy strong, They could never realy advance like other guys, or get skills. Even their gang leader would hit so much experience and then retire to the doughnut squad. Then you would have to promote someone in your squad to take his place.

Haven't time to read all 14 pages, is there any info on whether the figs are the same true'ish 28mm scale of the originals or if they're 30mm+ like everything else 40k these days.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:

well excited for the return of necro but the models...

the old old ones were better imo

Spoiler:

I disagree after seeing the bare plastics:

Spoiler:

After seeing both sets of figs, I still lean towards the old Escher. Still, the new ones are nice and seem to keep mostly the same aesthetic. I still play Necromunda today using Yaktribe's excellent NCE update of the rules and I have 5 gangs of 15-20 figures. My brief thoughts:

Figs:
Look nice so far. Especially liking the new style of Goliaths which were probably the goofiest gang of the batch and most in need of an update. Also since Goliaths are the only gang of the original 6 I don't have, it gives me a good reason to buy the boxed set. Size comparison to original figs is still up in the air. Most importantly, No matter how much I like the metal originals (and I do!), having access to multipart plastic gangers will be absolutely perfect for a game as customizable as Necromunda.

Rules:
I love the original, but I'm glad they're trying something new. They could be great and perhaps even a bit more streamlined than the original. Rumors seem to indicate a good advancement system and that will be critical if it's to capture the campaign fun of the original rules where the after-game sequence was sometimes as fun as the game itself and usually more surprising.
On the other hand, If they suck, it's no big deal as we still have the very-nice NCE update of the rules to play with.

Community and availability:
This is what I'm most excited about. So many people I've met like the idea of Necromunda and many have even played and enjoyed it. However, the comparatively low number of players and the difficulty of finding official figs (or even good proxies) pushes alot of folks away from Necromunda. I'm really hoping that this will cook up a new batch of necromunda players. I'd be excellent to head to an FLGS and easily find a Necromunda game.

I like the idea of block platforms to make alley's like that. Good job! How are the block plaforms done if you don't mind?

I just hope we get official rules for Genestealer Cults.

Then we can bring back the Fort London Genealogy Society (FLGS) and their rivals, GeneWerks (GW).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just hope we get official rules for Genestealer Cults.

Then we can bring back the Fort London Genealogy Society (FLGS) and their rivals, GeneWerks (GW).

Was that a thing? If so, that's hilarious.