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SamusDrake wrote:
So, Orks vs Ratlings & Ogryn tomorrow.

Honestly? I'm hoping not.

I won't mind an Ork team, but Ratlings/Ogryns doesn't make sense to me as a team, and back-to-back IG-related teams also feels wrong for Kill Team - still, at least we won't have to wait that long to see.

Has anyone tried the co-op mode yet? I think I may give it a go soon.

I just wish they had managed to design automa's moves in a less cumbersome way. It may happen that operating automa moves takes more time than actually playing yourself, creating downtime and disengagement. I am wondering if it is really the case.

Many board games with solo modes have already moved behind the stage of thinking that automa needs to do the same things players do. It needs to produce player-like results, not perform all player-like processes.

I recommend checking Terra Mystica and its automa mode, which is pure genius. Operating it is lightning quick and it produces game states as if it was a nasty player full of surprises.

 Dysartes wrote:

Honestly? I'm hoping not.

I won't mind an Ork team, but Ratlings/Ogryns doesn't make sense to me as a team, and back-to-back IG-related teams also feels wrong for Kill Team - still, at least we won't have to wait that long to see.

You'll have what you're given and like it!

But seriously, its not on my wish list but its the most rumoured at the moment. Personally I'm holding out for a Harlequins team, but while I'm confident it is coming its probably not going to happen this soon.

No ogryn, but I do like ratlings.

I suspect all the terrain getting released this season will be stylistically compatible with each other? Which sounds great, one will have a big bunch of themed terrain at the end of the season, for mixing and matching in any way that looks cool. This will also end up being a good platform for Joint Ops stuff in the future no doubt.

Just wishing we could buy the terrain separately, if that ends up being the case..

Oh my days! 😍

So I bought a Farstalker Kinband. There are two 32mm bases and 10 28mm bases. While the Kill-broker is listed as using a 32, who uses the 2nd 32mm is not included in the instructions. So could some one tell me which figure uses that base, please?

 BrookM wrote:
Oh my days! 😍

Where is that from?

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
So I bought a Farstalker Kinband. There are two 32mm bases and 10 28mm bases. While the Kill-broker is listed as using a 32, who uses the 2nd 32mm is not included in the instructions. So could some one tell me which figure uses that base, please?

You will find all base sizes on datacards in the KT app or in the downloadable file on WhCom.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
So I bought a Farstalker Kinband. There are two 32mm bases and 10 28mm bases. While the Kill-broker is listed as using a 32, who uses the 2nd 32mm is not included in the instructions. So could some one tell me which figure uses that base, please?

No one does, looks like a packing mistake to me. The hounds are also both on 28s as if everyone else other than the broker.

 Haighus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Oh my days! 😍

Where is that from?

The unit of Rattlingss comes with a frenchie!

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
So I bought a Farstalker Kinband. There are two 32mm bases and 10 28mm bases. While the Kill-broker is listed as using a 32, who uses the 2nd 32mm is not included in the instructions. So could some one tell me which figure uses that base, please?

No one does, looks like a packing mistake to me. The hounds are also both on 28s as if everyone else other than the broker.

It looks like you are correct. Only the Kill-broker is on 32mm, everyone else is on 28mm.

Great new teams and great new terrain.

Interesting that the Ratlings vs armoured Orks rumours was 100% correct but the Ogryns part of the rumour is missing. Wondering if that might have been a mixup and they are part of something else? Would be strange if that part of the rumour is just fake when everything else is completely true

 Matrindur wrote:
Interesting that the Ratlings vs armoured Orks rumours was 100% correct but the Ogryns part of the rumour is missing. Wondering if that might have been a mixup and they are part of something else? Would be strange if that part of the rumour is just fake when everything else is completely true

Maybe someone saw one of the ratling models divorced from any scale context, and thought it was an ogryn? Maybe they thought the doggo was an ogryn doggo?

Article is up now:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yk1xvxpw/storm-volkus-with-orks-and-ratlings-in-the-latest-kill-team-expansion/

Hmm, the article does have the following line: "Ratlings in particular are notorious for their light-fingered antics and breathtaking disregard for private property, but their skill as snipers is undeniable – as is the raw power of the Ogryn brutes* who hang out around them."

The asterisk has no link, but Ogryns are mentioned in the Scarper ability, so while they may not be in the box, they can be in the team!

Perhaps you will be able to substitute two or more operatives for a single Ogryn? The fact the Ratling team falls apart when charged at clearly tells us they are in dire need of some CC oomph against melee-heavy teams..

Maybe there's an unseen Ogryn member?

We've not seen terrain either.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Maybe there's an unseen Ogryn member?

We've not seen terrain either.

It even has breakaway panels like the soul shackle walls

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Maybe there's an unseen Ogryn member?

We've not seen terrain either.

This is the terrain:



Its likely going to be one of the smaller format sets with only a little terrain inside instead of a full board.

Also it wouldn't be strange at all if they say you can include the normal Ogryn/Bullgryn kit in this team. The Blades of Khaine work the same way after all

Other pics make it look like 2 sets of that sprue, and it is compatible with the terrain from Hive Storm, so it may be like Gallowdark where all the boxes terrain will plug together in the end

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Other pics make it look like 2 sets of that sprue, and it is compatible with the terrain from Hive Storm, so it may be like Gallowdark where all the boxes terrain will plug together in the end

I'm sure all the terrain of this season will plug together but the Gallowdark terrain was the same terrain in each box with an indivudal upgrade sprue in each one.
Instead this one instead is specifically called "Compound Siege terrain upgrade" which very much sounds like a smaller terrain set that is supposed to be used in addition to the first one instead. So if this box doesn't include the main terrain from Hivestorm (And I don't know why it would) it sounds more like it would just have the upgrade sprue and you have to buy the base terrain extra compared to Gallowdark. Which is a better solution I would say because at the end of Gallowdark I had way more walls than I needed.
This would also likely mean a smaller box. Maybe not as small as Termination/Nightmare/Salvation but then again the Ork kill team is only the second kill team kit ever together with the Necron Hierotek Circle to have less than 10 main models I think? With them only having 5 main models (not counting additions like the bomb squigs or the battlemutt) I could see a bit more terrain while still being the same size and price point as the previous three sets

"What the hell kind of name is Soap?"



And would be fun if you're able to swap out a few for an Og or two to give them some melee power, though I suppose the Hardbit looks dead 'ard already. 😄

But damn, Ogryn being given the KT treatment would be ace to say the least!

Look at paragraph two of the Scarper ability preview:

After each enemy operative's activtaion, before the next operative is activated, you can perform a free Dash action with one friendly Ratling operative (excluding Bullgryn, Ogryn and Sneak), but it cannot finish that move within 3" of an enemy operative unless it's not visible to every enemy operative when it finishes that move.

For radical speculation, I wonder if this means the start of selling add on boxes for kill teams. Because it looks like the three existing Ogryn/Bullgryn sprues are each slightly different and I can't imagine why they'd redo them.

Some impressions from a small tournament:
https://www.facebook.com/100075585177993/posts/pfbid02vjkKQSZoxsnQtGVC13E5Px8BAb4Pv1ZRMP1xPuFYA8v8tV42LdedmTTJguuzRJhRl/?app=fbl

As I expected, the amount of changes introduced at once makes this release a total mess balance-wise. I wouldn't advise getting used to any of these rules or getting sad/excited because something is weak/strong, as in three months, after first errata/patch the landscape will be totally different.

No comments on the Orks yet?
Personally I find they're okay as a tankbusta replacement. You'll be able to use your existing models next to these just fine, I think there could have been a little more going on with them. Just two rokkits compared to a lot of CC guys with hammers is a little bummer, we'll see how you can equip each one.
Also, why, after beast snaggas, do these guys yet again have to be "bigger and stronger and better armoured than normal boyz"? I find the appeal of Orks is that everything but Nobz is a boy with special stuff.
Concerning the models themselves they look a bit spindly or too upright for Orks, moreso than the new boyz, but it might just be the less heroic proportions.
Overall I'd say they're okay, I'll probably get one Box, but I was more impressed by Kommandos so far. Could be there are more options that we haven't seen yet, though.

Those Wreckas are very Blood Axe core.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Also, why, after beast snaggas, do these guys yet again have to be "bigger and stronger and better armoured than normal boyz"?

Since the ratlings are nearly as big as humans, making the orks bigger makes the abhumans look like they're the right size.

It’s what happens with Orks. The more they fight and survive, the bigger and ‘Arder they get.

And there’s a lot of fights going on right now.

In theory, it’s possible for the majority of a successful Waaagh! to end up Nob sized, without them all being Nobz (a Nob remaining at all time the biggest Ork in a given Mob, so it’s all relative).