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2017/11/25 16:07:38
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
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2017/11/26 01:36:00
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
It helps if you look at it as primaris having far too human proportions. They don't really look like Astartes in power armour anymore, just humans.
At what point in time did become canon that Astartes are misshapen giants? All the times they are depicted without power armour they look like giant muscular men, but with good proportions.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/11/26 02:34:49
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
It helps if you look at it as primaris having far too human proportions. They don't really look like Astartes in power armour anymore, just humans.
At what point in time did become canon that Astartes are misshapen giants? All the times they are depicted without power armour they look like giant muscular men, but with good proportions.
They're almost always shown as inhumanly broad.
2017/11/26 02:56:04
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
It helps if you look at it as primaris having far too human proportions. They don't really look like Astartes in power armour anymore, just humans.
At what point in time did become canon that Astartes are misshapen giants? All the times they are depicted without power armour they look like giant muscular men, but with good proportions.
They're almost always shown as inhumanly broad.
Are you sure? They have always looked like normal muscular big humans to me:
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/11/27 17:27:38
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/11/27 17:37:32
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
2017/11/27 17:56:25
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
Oh my no, the pauldrons are well above where the actual shoulder rests, more or less at the very bottom of the armour's "shoulders". The shield generators are housed above the arms and take up most of the space within the pauldrons.
2017/11/27 18:51:50
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
Oh my no, the pauldrons are well above where the actual shoulder rests, more or less at the very bottom of the armour's "shoulders". The shield generators are housed above the arms and take up most of the space within the pauldrons.
That doesn't actually make any difference to what he's saying, the shoulderpads exaggerate the flaw but they're not responsible for it - to fit into Terminator armour you'd have to be bent forward at an unnatural angle in the middle of your spine and your arms would have to be coming out the top of your shoulderblades; or else as he said you'd have to be a mutant with no abdomen and arms growing out of your collarbone. Terminators are perhaps the worst example of the old SM range's atrocious proportions, even taking "heroic scale" into account(and point of fact, GW's modern range is closer to 6.5 heads than 5 heads, thank jeebus as the older models were often utterly cartoonish).
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2017/11/27 18:52:21
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
Oh my no, the pauldrons are well above where the actual shoulder rests, more or less at the very bottom of the armour's "shoulders". The shield generators are housed above the arms and take up most of the space within the pauldrons.
Then how to you account for the fact that there’s no room for an actual human torso in there?
To me, the primaris have highlighted just how awful the old marines were. Unfortunately I hate the old minis and hate the new fluff.
2017/11/27 18:56:37
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
Oh my no, the pauldrons are well above where the actual shoulder rests, more or less at the very bottom of the armour's "shoulders". The shield generators are housed above the arms and take up most of the space within the pauldrons.
Then how to you account for the fact that there’s no room for an actual human torso in there?
To me, the primaris have highlighted just how awful the old marines were. Unfortunately I hate the old minis and hate the new fluff.
Space marines are quite a bit broader in build than a regular human.
2017/11/27 19:15:43
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
The biggest problem with the Terminators, just like normal marines, are the legs, not the arms. They are a little bent forward, yes, but it isn't as bad as you are depicting it. Or at least isn't worse than the horrible proportions of the basic marine figure.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/11/27 20:35:32
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
Oh my no, the pauldrons are well above where the actual shoulder rests, more or less at the very bottom of the armour's "shoulders". The shield generators are housed above the arms and take up most of the space within the pauldrons.
Then how to you account for the fact that there’s no room for an actual human torso in there?
To me, the primaris have highlighted just how awful the old marines were. Unfortunately I hate the old minis and hate the new fluff.
Space marines are quite a bit broader in build than a regular human.
Youve just shown me a drawing which fixes all of the weird proportions of the miniatures.
2017/11/27 20:54:07
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
FrothingMuppet wrote: The Space Wolf chaps suffers from random scale issues - which I think is exacerbated by Primaris scaling showing up quite clearly all the flaws in the proportions of the old Marines.
These guys heads are huge and oddly placed inside the collar of
the Terminator Armour, which itself looks smaller/sleeker than traditional TDA. The weapons are offscale to the bodies etc.
Primaris, for all thr grumbling about re-scaling Marines, have made it hard for me not to look at newer old Marines and notice their off proportions
I never understand these 'proportions' gripes. The average adult human is 7.5 'heads' tall. Most miniatures in this scale are five-ish heads tall. The proportions are wildly 'wrong' across the board in order to make details recognizable and paintable.
It’s not a question of how many heads high they are. It’s the fact that you could only fit into terminator armour if you have no abdomen and your arms come out of the sides of your head.
Oh my no, the pauldrons are well above where the actual shoulder rests, more or less at the very bottom of the armour's "shoulders". The shield generators are housed above the arms and take up most of the space within the pauldrons.
Then how to you account for the fact that there’s no room for an actual human torso in there?
To me, the primaris have highlighted just how awful the old marines were. Unfortunately I hate the old minis and hate the new fluff.
Space marines are quite a bit broader in build than a regular human.
Nice picture, but it's not actually how Terminators look. If you look at an actual model, the armpits are approximately chin height and the head is way too far forward of the shoulder line, like, probably a torso width's too far forward.
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MonkeyBallistic wrote: To me, the primaris have highlighted just how awful the old marines were. Unfortunately I hate the old minis and hate the new fluff.
The thing I hate about the primaris models which I've hated since the first time I saw them is the torso, it just doesn't look right to me.
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2017/11/29 08:49:10
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
Not sure if this belongs in this thread, but Forgeworld will have on sale this Friday tickets for next February's Horus Hersey and Necromunda Weekender.
That is assuming if they don't all sell out on pre sale, if you have been last year you should have already had an email about the pre sale, if not give them a ring.
Has to be the best event GW put on currently.
2017/11/29 13:17:11
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
Good news and bad news for Red Scorpions players...
Good news is the new units are ace. Bad news is you're about £150 poorer.
Carab Culln The Risen rules:
Casan Sabius, Lord Regent of the Red Scorpions:
TO of Death Before Dishonour - A Warhammer 40k Tournament with a focus on great battles between well painted, thematic armies on tables with full terrain.
Hmm, HQ slot, +1 attack and wounds for Carab, plus he's venerable but it's an aura buff.
Weapons wise, he basically has a siege drill and a worse alternative to a storm cannon, plus swapped the Melta in the drill for a heavy Bolter which can burn out.
He's nice, but I'd need to see Red Scorpions tactics before completely buying into rejiggering my all-dreadnought army to be red scorpions.
2017/11/30 15:27:33
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - FW Open Day Products on Pg. 136!
TO of Death Before Dishonour - A Warhammer 40k Tournament with a focus on great battles between well painted, thematic armies on tables with full terrain.
Index: Space Marines And Their Doors, of course. It can't be FoC because that won't be released until at least 9th edition.
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