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What is the best overall layout of weapons for a predator? I have one with chronos in it with all lascannons. Thinking of getting two more. Want some advice before I get them.

 
   
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Devil Dog wrote:What is the best overall layout of weapons for a predator? I have one with chronos in it with all lascannons. Thinking of getting two more. Want some advice before I get them.
1. This should probably be in Tactics.
2. Nothing exists in a vacuum. There's no way for us to tell you what's best if we don't know what else is in your army. If you're short on anti-tank, you probably want another Annihilator, short on Anti-Infantry, you probably want a Destructor. If your Pred keeps getting blown up, you might just need better target saturation and Razorbacks/Rhinos might be a better option.


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I usually run the Autocannon turret and Sponson lascannons Predator.

for the points savings it will do a better job than the all Las version.

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i fight orks most of the time, and i feild my pred with a TLLC(to pick off the defcopptas/trukks)and HB sponsons (for the mobs)

i find the HB's are often more effective aginst hords than the AC

(IMO i think the Preds AC should be a more unique gun)( IE: shoots a S6 blast )
   
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I like the autocannon turret, lascannon sponsons layout, I find it the most efficient loadout. (of course it is primarily anti-tank).
   
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Autocannon las sponsons. Wouldn't you rather 2 lascannon shots over one twin linked one? With BS4 you are pretty safe. Still only 120 pts for two lascannon shots and an auto cannon for thinning hoards. YMMV

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Woo, first post.

Anyway... Being at work, I can't for the life of me remember how much the TLLC turret costs, but if I remember correctly, it's not cheap.

If you're only really gunning for AV 12+, does that investment seem to be worth it?
   
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The commonly accepted 'optimal' loadout is AC with LC sponsons.

I have a soft spot for (and sometimes use) the TLLC and HB sponsons (for aesthetics and as Zombie Cat stated, TLLC takes out low AV while the HBs volume of fire takes out everything else), but the points cost of it is unreasonable IMO. Here's hoping next the SM codex fixes that.

Honestly though, the AC/LC pred is really the way to go (in a vacuum and according to accepted standard) until/unless the points costs are changed.

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AC and Las sponsons FTW! In all seriousness though it is the most effective combo

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DeathReaper wrote:I usually run the Autocannon turret and Sponson lascannons Predator..
This is also what I run.
   
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Full LC LC/LC laser pureblood predator annihilator with lascannons.

I prefer the LC up top where it can rotate 360 degrees and fire over rhino hulls, so I'm partial to LC/LC or LC/HB but all loadouts work, even AC/-
   
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I usually run the AC/HBs loadout. I can hit rhinos and other lower AV stuff pretty effectivly with the autocannon, and also hit infantry with the heavy bolters.

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There are two that I run, and luckily since I magnetized I can do both.

AC Turret with Lascannon sponsons (120 points)
AC Turret with Heavy Bolter sponsons (85 points)

Both are reasonable. The AC/HB less so for firepower and more for target saturation (85 points for av13 with at least some firepower). It's what I take when I have a HS slot as I already have the model thanks to magnetizing.

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The TLLC turret is pretty dramatically overcost, especially as an upgrade over the AC.

Heavy bolters are, well, heavy bolters. They're a weapon that rarely really shines.

By process of elimination, the AC/LC predator widely considered the optimal. It gives it a specific purpose (anti-armor) while not costing too much.
   
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Just use a naked pred with HKM IMO. I find the pred's rectangular shape with super long side angles combined with it's craptacular side AV keep it from doing more than either sitting back in a corner/next to other armor taking long range shots that you have to plan firing lanes around or dying miserably.

The upside is that it is still effective at it's intended purpose, poppin light AV, and (outside of BA) can now move about more freely with less worry of wasting points by losing shots. It's mobile terrain that can tank shock and shoot for cheap.
   
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Basically I run mine one of 2 ways.

TLLC with LC sponsons or AC w/ LC sponsons. The AC one is all the rage on the internet, but I always seem to do better with the TLLC. I have enough ML from other sources so I don't really worry about AC...unless they are on dreads, which I can't do being BT and all.

Another suggesstion would be to magnetize a turret and try it out and see what you like better.

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M134 Minigun, obviously.

Can we have some context? You haven't even given the codex.
   
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MFletch wrote:M134 Minigun, obviously.


Sooo, a naked Baal pred? I can dig that.
   
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AC/HB Predator is the best for Vanilla Marines, because it's dirt cheap. 85 points for a tank that has plenty of Dakka.
   
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Ac/HB pred doesnt hurt vehicles very reliably. Hardly can call it "the best".

Good anti-infantry value for your points, no doubt. However, anti-infantry is built into our troops and very easy to get elsewhere.

I prefer my heavy support to be more threatening to vehicles, and therefore AC/LAS is how I run mine. I've used TL LAS/LAS before too, but its just too costly. TL LAS/HB is just a confused mess.

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Well little I can do to change the one I have, but I believe I'm going to make the other two the auto cann on with las sponsons. Thanks for all the input.

 
   
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To me, the dakka pred seems like a very cheap buy for a very specific purpose.
I would draw your attention to other units that fill similar roles in the troops section, like guard squads in a chimera acting as a bunker or the immortal squad or any number of mid strength shooting that is meant to be sunk into infantry or very light armor.

The dakka pred is a very competitive price, but it doesn't score. You expect a non scoring unit to do it's job a little bit better than a scoring one, and the dakka pred lives up to this. It's got a pretty strong effective range, a lot of resiliency, contributes to target saturation of other vulnerable elements and dishes out reasonable firepower for it's 85 point investment. But, you really only want to pick it up, if your scoring units aren't handling the dakka pred's job's effectively or you know you will need as many dice as humanly possible.

As of right now, I'd say AutoLas is the favored configuration. It's a bit weird, but it's the sort of unit you can lean on in a lot of situations and really feel like it has earned its keep at 120 points. Much less situational, even when you are tooling your troop choices out as hyper efficient tank hunters.

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Say you had a vendetta. Would you pay:
-TL on two of your shots
-side 12
-superior LOS from giant base
-35pts
-6" of mobility

for:
-bs4 (so almost the same average hits)
-front 13
-the ability to use and provide cover
-a move to HS so you can still take speeders and bikes?

Vendettas would still be good at 165pts and SM have a harder time than guard finding good long range firepower, so I don't quite see why people dismiss the annihilator so readily.
   
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I'm going to vouch for the TL-Lascannon, coming from the Chaos Codex. What really sells me on the addition of the TL-Lascannon is it's effectiveness against AV14. The AC/Las will penetrate AV14 less than half the time. A Tri-Las will penetrate every round. Couple that with markedly better performance against AV11 and higher, and I'm willing to pay 35 points.

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Dracos wrote:Ac/HB pred doesnt hurt vehicles very reliably. Hardly can call it "the best".

Good anti-infantry value for your points, no doubt. However, anti-infantry is built into our troops and very easy to get elsewhere.

I prefer my heavy support to be more threatening to vehicles, and therefore AC/LAS is how I run mine. I've used TL LAS/LAS before too, but its just too costly. TL LAS/HB is just a confused mess.


It can hurt AV10/11 very reliably, and damage AV12. It can ALSO turn hordes into mince meat - I don't see why there's such resistance to it on Dakka. Honestly, I think the AC/HB Predator may just have the best value in terms of points in the whole codex.
   
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Interestingly enough, you're almost right. The Predator Destructor causes 1.33 rolls on the damage table against AV11 (and 1.33 penetrating hits against AV10). That isn't bad for 85 points. What is bad is it's output against infantry: if they can find cover, it'll only ever kill 2 of them.

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A destructor really only stuns av11, and with something like fortitude even that is chancy. Av 10 is only found in a few lists, and av12 is still common and invalidates the hb.

Also, comparing the tri las pred to a vendetta is flawed because the vendetta is also a scouting/outflanking transport for 12 models. It's also fast, so can move and shoot all its weapons.
   
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I like the Dakka Pred; Autocannon and Heavy Bolter side sponsons. It's cheap, it isn't really a high priority target, it puts rounds down range and it can be used as mobile cover.

If tank hunting is what you want i'd recommend, like most everyone else, the Autocannon and Lascannon side sponsons loadout.

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I find the suggestions in this thread very helpful, as I as well just got a Predator and was debating on what to equip it with. Since my army is lacking in the anti-tank department, Autocannon with Lascannon sponsons seems like the way to go. Thanks guys.

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Given the consensus and lack of replies to my response. What is your favourite weapon from the film? What is your favourite predator weapon if you will?
Just saying it is one the all time classic film weapons on level with light sabre, and in the real world set films on level with dusk till dawn groin gun.

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