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Andykp wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Never, in the history of Dakka, has a comment been made that I disagree more strongly with xD

I don't think there was any concern about producing an overly large or impractical miniature, otherwise the likes of Super Heavies, Knights etc wouldn't have been produced in the first place.

And I think most grognards recognise the Land Train as the jewel in the crown of the Epic Squat range!

And what a range it was!! Can you imagine the rules arguments if they just made a 3 foot long land train and let it loose on the community! Ervery time the squats went to war a land train was squeezed into deployment zones at awkward angles. and the 1000x120mm oval base for it!

Of course you can go for visual look without going for so big...But yeah let's just pretend such an option doesn't exist. As a result we got generic alien models pretending to be squats for sake of marketing.

It's completely speculative, but imagine if GW dug out Apocalypse for 10th ed. They'd release it in the summer of '25 that doesn't see a new edition of 40k or AoS as the big summer release. We get the first codex and model release for Squats now. We have every reason to believe we'll get a 10th ed codex and second wave of models early in the edition, say fifteen months from now. Then another fifteen months for an Apocalypse release with the Land Train as one of its main attractions. That would mean steady model support for the new army over the next three years and give the Land Train a place where it can at least reasonably exist.

It's only an outlandish thought if you try to squeeze such a model on a 9th ed board. It's a lot more viable if you have a dedicated format for it. It's just a question of whether GW believes that the investment is viable for a model that won't easily fit into regular games. The sculpt and kit are without a doubt doable, just like a plastic Thunderhawk. The only thing holding it back is the financial side, which I'll grant you makes a Land Train unlikely if they don't even have the confidence that they could sell Thunderhawks to enough Marine players.

They made a Manta for 40k, so I think something like a land train is entirely feasible.

 Geifer wrote:
It's completely speculative, but imagine if GW dug out Apocalypse for 10th ed. They'd release it in the summer of '25 that doesn't see a new edition of 40k or AoS as the big summer release. We get the first codex and model release for Squats now. We have every reason to believe we'll get a 10th ed codex and second wave of models early in the edition, say fifteen months from now. Then another fifteen months for an Apocalypse release with the Land Train as one of its main attractions. That would mean steady model support for the new army over the next three years and give the Land Train a place where it can at least reasonably exist.

It's only an outlandish thought if you try to squeeze such a model on a 9th ed board. It's a lot more viable if you have a dedicated format for it. It's just a question of whether GW believes that the investment is viable for a model that won't easily fit into regular games. The sculpt and kit are without a doubt doable, just like a plastic Thunderhawk. The only thing holding it back is the financial side, which I'll grant you makes a Land Train unlikely if they don't even have the confidence that they could sell Thunderhawks to enough Marine players.

That could work, but agree the financials would be iffy and it would cost a fortune!


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 Hellebore wrote:
They made a Manta for 40k, so I think something like a land train is entirely feasible.

Could well be something forgeworld would make.


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tneva82 wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Never, in the history of Dakka, has a comment been made that I disagree more strongly with xD

I don't think there was any concern about producing an overly large or impractical miniature, otherwise the likes of Super Heavies, Knights etc wouldn't have been produced in the first place.

And I think most grognards recognise the Land Train as the jewel in the crown of the Epic Squat range!

And what a range it was!! Can you imagine the rules arguments if they just made a 3 foot long land train and let it loose on the community! Ervery time the squats went to war a land train was squeezed into deployment zones at awkward angles. and the 1000x120mm oval base for it!

Of course you can go for visual look without going for so big...But yeah let's just pretend such an option doesn't exist. As a result we got generic alien models pretending to be squats for sake of marketing.

Yeah good idea, let’s make a tiny land train, really short carriages so it fits in the board. Don’t be silly.

And no, what we got were a modern fresh take on an old range that are squats, but for the 21st century. And they a freaking great models, love the ones I have already and this land fortress looks amazing. If you really want a land train get that necromunda truck and few trailers. Go make one.

What was the last 40k only model FW made?

Andykp wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Nice to see some Votann love and I cannot wait for the kits to be released.
It's been a month or so after the collectors box so it's time for the army to land.

Hekaton looks amazing but not my most wanted kit, first I need all them suits and berserkers.
Still on the hunt for 5 more ironkin heads so if anyone wants to sell/trade just give me a shout.

When the next wave comes you can have any ironkin heads I get.


The land fortress looks better and better the more I see.

The land train wasn’t some amazing idea or model that should be replicated. It didn’t function very well as a concept at epic scale where there was room for a crazy long model, on the modern 40k table top you would not be able to place one anywhere. It was really a wacky concept model that was a sign of epic getting a bit silly, but then again epic could. But the idea that it should be held in high regard is just nostalgia turned up to 11.

Cheers thanks!

Regarding the train I have to agree it seems like an extra funny thing to be added later on to some kind of Armageddon expansion. Not what you would likely see on a release of a new army which has just one core entry. Its like building a house from the ceiling.

We need more useful basic entries to build the armies from, not a Train that would fill half a table and probably be a huge point sink.

 ImAGeek wrote:
What was the last 40k only model FW made?

Was it the primaris tank thing? Astraeus?

Ya honestly how many folks would be buying the 200-250$ land train. GW prices are litteraly crazy.

That picture is a Colossus. I don't think that (or the Cyclops, or the land train) would fit the LoV aesthetic, they'd be anachronisms meant only to appeal to nostalgia. Much better to just move on. /edit - maybe it is a land train, or some sort of Colossus / LT mashup idk.

JWBS wrote:
That picture is a Colossus. I don't think that (or the Cyclops, or the land train) would fit the LoV aesthetic, they'd be anachronisms meant only to appeal to nostalgia. Much better to just move on. /edit - maybe it is a land train, or some sort of Colossus / LT mashup idk.

It's the Land Train in that artwork, the Colossus was tall and boxy whereas thas has the curved front of the Land Train. The Codex mentions that the Leagues use the Colossus, or at least vehicles of that type. If the Colossus still works with how they are now, I don't see why some sort of update of the Land Train wouldn't.

Also, the Leagues aesthetic still includes the old Squats style in some capacity, too. There's artwork if them in the codex and i'd presume it's their mercenary gear, based on Grendl Grendlsen.

I'm, fine with a mix of different vehicles as the "Land Train". In fact, this is an instance where GW did good.

I'm even good with giving them those Primarus hover tanks, and adding in a couple of outrider hover trikes.

I'm sitting on a team from Necromunda, and hoping that the new guys are of the same scale. The figures themselves have some good options, and I hope we can get some of those robotic ones to add in alongside the mining crew I have right now.

Side by side with the older figures, they don't work, and you wouldn't expect the older "Land Train" angle to fit in with these scifi streamlined and cleaner look. I could understand a little bit of a dwarven angle on some sort of big assed golden idol head hovering apparatus, but I'm reaching here, as to the look of the ancestor program. Other then that, the way in which GW has slipped in subtle reference here and there is perfect.

Better to look on them now as a brand new army, and start them fresh.

 Grot 6 wrote:


I'm sitting on a team from Necromunda, and hoping that the new guys are of the same scale.

They aren't, unforunately. One is somewhat bigger than the other.

It's difficult to assess what the other vehicles will be. I'd expect some artillery pieces at the very least. I doubt we will see a super heavy for some time. I don't think the land train is a good thing, but the Colossus would be funny. Or at least something equivalent.

The smart thing to do would be to add some sappers or pioneers on foot to add more to the Hernkyn side. That would be a good way of giving more of a clear nod towards the older design if they wanted to go down that route. Which is debatable.

 Grot 6 wrote:
I'm, fine with a mix of different vehicles as the "Land Train". In fact, this is an instance where GW did good.

I'm even good with giving them those Primarus hover tanks, and adding in a couple of outrider hover trikes.

I'm sitting on a team from Necromunda, and hoping that the new guys are of the same scale. The figures themselves have some good options, and I hope we can get some of those robotic ones to add in alongside the mining crew I have right now.

Side by side with the older figures, they don't work, and you wouldn't expect the older "Land Train" angle to fit in with these scifi streamlined and cleaner look. I could understand a little bit of a dwarven angle on some sort of big assed golden idol head hovering apparatus, but I'm reaching here, as to the look of the ancestor program. Other then that, the way in which GW has slipped in subtle reference here and there is perfect.

Better to look on them now as a brand new army, and start them fresh.

Exactly!

As for necromunda prospectors and Votann here's pictures from the web. Scale is ok.

Boosykes wrote:
Ya honestly how many folks would be buying the 200-250$ land train. GW prices are litteraly crazy.

Well I'd only need one....




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 Geifer wrote:


It's only an outlandish thought if you try to squeeze such a model on a 9th ed board. It's a lot more viable if you have a dedicated format for it.

The 9th ed board sizes are specifically stated as being the minimum recommend sizes. You do know what minimum means, right?

ccs wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


It's only an outlandish thought if you try to squeeze such a model on a 9th ed board. It's a lot more viable if you have a dedicated format for it.

The 9th ed board sizes are specifically stated as being the minimum recommend sizes. You do know what minimum means, right?

Sure, but you're focusing on the wrong word. GW's recommendation has a lot of weight with many players as one of the things that appeals about 40k is the ease of finding opponents that are on the same page as you without the need to negotiate game formats and optional rules. It's also something reinforced by the many boxes that include cardboard boards of fitting size to get to that standard.

As long as there are enough older players around, at least you'll still get the old 6'x4' as a competing standard, but even that will wane in time if GW sticks to the latest, box friendly board size long enough.

GW says you can use any size you want, but gives you some concrete numbers for the minimum recommendation. Those will widely get adopted because they offer a standard where any size you come up with yourself does not. That's just the way it works.

 Geifer wrote:

GW says you can use any size you want, but gives you some concrete numbers for the minimum recommendation. Those will widely get adopted because they offer a standard where any size you come up with yourself does not. That's just the way it works.

Also, there are practical reasons to not get too big of a table. I've used larger from time to time, and 8x6 is fine in my experience. But getting much larger than that risks having areas in the center of the table that you can't reach.

JWBS wrote:
That picture is a Colossus. I don't think that (or the Cyclops, or the land train) would fit the LoV aesthetic, they'd be anachronisms meant only to appeal to nostalgia. Much better to just move on. /edit - maybe it is a land train, or some sort of Colossus / LT mashup idk.

You could argue that the entire force release is designed to appeal to nostalgia though. Admittedly I think they've done a good job of modernising some of it, but at heart these are still 'space dwarves' and appeal in the same way. They've pushed me into buying some 40k minis for probably the first time in 10 years or more, and the new releases line up almost perfectly with the 2nd edition force chart, which a fellow grognard and I are using for them.

 Pacific wrote:

JWBS wrote:
That picture is a Colossus. I don't think that (or the Cyclops, or the land train) would fit the LoV aesthetic, they'd be anachronisms meant only to appeal to nostalgia. Much better to just move on. /edit - maybe it is a land train, or some sort of Colossus / LT mashup idk.

You could argue that the entire force release is designed to appeal to nostalgia though. Admittedly I think they've done a good job of modernising some of it, but at heart these are still 'space dwarves' and appeal in the same way. They've pushed me into buying some 40k minis for probably the first time in 10 years or more, and the new releases line up almost perfectly with the 2nd edition force chart, which a fellow grognard and I are using for them.

To some extent yes, depends where you are as a collector.
If you in the past collected them, then yes that nostalgia is your touchpoint.
Personally I never liked much the old look, so never got into them. The touchpoint for me is not the nostalgia but the new model design.
For new collectors unaware of Squats obviously theres no nostalgia.

So I would not say the entire force was designed to appeal to nostalgia. I think nostalgia was added in to extend GW target demographic with this new release. But Votann are their own thing.

This is one of the many areas where scale creep is bad. You *might* be able to get an old school land train on the table at 28mm with some work and fiddling, but not at the current size.

The Cargo Ridgehauler from Necromunda could be a testbed for a Land Train as far as pricing and interest in multi-kit vehicles go.

And it would not be too difficult to make a trailer kit that was compatible with the Hekaton by adding a part that replaced the rear ramp with a tunnel or hitch assembly to connect it to the trailer.

And that’s everything up for pre-order next week.

Might grab myself a copy of the Codex, as there’s new background to be read and digested.

Link for those who wanted it.

I could see trailors for the land fortress adding more guns or transport capacity in a FW/future release.

I really can't believe there's no land train concept floating about in the Votann design bible.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I could see trailors for the land fortress adding more guns or transport capacity in a FW/future release.

I really can't believe there's no land train concept floating about in the Votann design bible.

Whilst I’d need to dig out my copy of Ork & Squat Warlords, and I know lone carriages could still fight if not move? I could see detachable carriages in 40K. Sort of deployable bastion type things.

Maybe one which is just a portable Void Shield Generator?

Finally! Come to me all of you sweet minis!

Let me hunt my accumulated vouchers XD

Surprised they are all released on the same day!

 Pacific wrote:

JWBS wrote:
That picture is a Colossus. I don't think that (or the Cyclops, or the land train) would fit the LoV aesthetic, they'd be anachronisms meant only to appeal to nostalgia. Much better to just move on. /edit - maybe it is a land train, or some sort of Colossus / LT mashup idk.

You could argue that the entire force release is designed to appeal to nostalgia though. Admittedly I think they've done a good job of modernising some of it, but at heart these are still 'space dwarves' and appeal in the same way. They've pushed me into buying some 40k minis for probably the first time in 10 years or more, and the new releases line up almost perfectly with the 2nd edition force chart, which a fellow grognard and I are using for them.

I'd argue the Necromunda Squats are designed to appeal to nostalgia, but not the Votann. There's nothing really Squat about them except they're dwarves in space and a few names are a reference to the old line. Even the lore has largely been retconned.

They seem more like an appeal to the people who might have been looking into third party space dwarves now quite a few companies were appealing to that niche and GW decided they might as well consolidate those sales under them too.

Wow. The whole range in one go? That's impressive.

Meanwhile...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow. The whole range in one go? That's impressive.

Meanwhile...

Are they meant to be floating, jumping, or being held up by a very rigid tunic that was overly starched by the slaves in charge of the laundry?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow. The whole range in one go? That's impressive.

I literally can't remember the last time they did that.