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Is there a connection to the "Alien" series or just in the flavor of? There is a glimpse of an Alien being that looks a lot like the big dead alien sitting in the cockpit of the ship in "Alien" the movie... Hmmm.
Looks interesting. Scott says it isnt another Alien movie but you never know, since the ship does look like the original alien vessel.
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Ridley Scott has explicitly stated that the film began as a pure prequel to Alien, but then morphed into something different, and now just shares a few ideas with Alien. Whether that is even true, or just a Ridley smokescreen, has been left open to debate, and if it is true, whether that means it is even geuninely in the same continuity, or some alternative is also open to question.
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I saw the preview and was reminded of Alien without even knowing it was Ridley Scott Hopefully it's really eerie and unnerving, and a million times better than Pandorum.
Prometheus just looks better and better, roll on summer.
As for connections to Alien nobody knows. Its been said that its a totally different space jockey ship from the derelict in Alien and non of the locations feature, such as LV426. But who knows?
I did find this shot quite interesting from the new trailer, is it just some funky architecture or is there more to it
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I think allot like the hybrid Alien resulted from the alien/predator mix, the alien in "Alien" is a hybrid of whatever they were and the aliens featured in this film. If there's a connection of course.
I wonder if the black/grey metallic creature that wanders into shot at the end of the trailer is some form of proto alien and the crew are in someway responsible for creating the "Aliens".
This would then explain why the company really sent the Nostromo crew to LV426. They knew what had been created and wanted Ripley et al to collect it.
It would also go some way to explain the "Aliens" humanoid appearance.
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I'll go to see this I think, but I can't help feeling that it'll be answering questions to which I don't want the answer. I like the mystery of the derelict and the space jockey, filling all the gaps in isn't really for me.
Howard A Treesong wrote:I'll go to see this I think, but I can't help feeling that it'll be answering questions to which I don't want the answer. I like the mystery of the derelict and the space jockey, filling all the gaps in isn't really for me.
I'm torn. I totally see where you are coming from, but I think a bigger part of me has to know.
Either way, I'm so dying to see this it hurts. It looks amazing to me.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:Put it this way, if the 'backstory' is crap I'll wish I never saw it.
Agreed. If the "truth" comes out, and it's not as sexy as the mystery of our imaginations, it's always a huge let down.
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These ads definitely look too busy to me. There can't be a whole lot of action left unshown. Other than the obvious "it's that crashed ship from Alien/s" reveal theres got to be another surprise or he film will be a massive disappointment.
I'll wait for reviews and or DVD for this one I think.
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Is there a connection to the "Alien" series or just in the flavor of? There is a glimpse of an Alien being that looks a lot like the big dead alien sitting in the cockpit of the ship in "Alien" the movie... Hmmm.
What say you Dakka?
Thats the "spacejockey," from the firwst movie. Evidently this one is about that race.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Here's the deal- it'a an Alien prequel, but it doesn't lead directly into Alien, and the point of it isn't just to flesh out Aliens back story. It's more of a stand alone prequel so to speak. It exists in the same universe, and will probably be about the space jockey(s), but its something bigger and grander than a mere prequel, covering it's own story. IMHO, Ridley Scott is too good of a director for cheap expositions of the back story.
That said, I am extremely pumped, and am glad it isn't just a prequel. Scott has said it will be philosophical like Blade Runner, yet still have some of the action we remember from Alien.
Also, it's interesting how many parallels there are between the original teaser trailer of Prometheus and a 1979 Alien trailer.
Notice that same strange repeated sound, along with the title slowly coming in across the screen.
Needless to say, I haven't been this excited for a movie for as long as I can remember. I'm definitely going to see it at a midnight release, possibly at IMAX.
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In the words of the late, great Colonel Sanders: "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."
Anyone else reckon the bald man (on board the Prometheus; not the huge bald man aboard the Derelict) could be a mutated/changed version of Fassbender's character? "Big things have small beginnings." Vickers (also a synthetic?) says: "A king has his reign and then he dies. It's inevitable." My guess is that she's talking about sentient species, comparing the presumably ancient Jockeys with humanity -- and maybe also artificial persons? (Bladerunner, ya'll.)
Our only line of dialog, aside from PLEEEASE, from the teaser trailer was Shaw saying "we were wrong, we were so wrong." In the new trailer, she postulates regarding the cave paintings "I think they want us to come and find them" and then declares in the briefing "it's not a map; an invitation." The "we were so wrong" line is repeated here shortly after we find out that "they" are leaving to go to Earth. Later, as the ground is splitting apart, so that the soon-to-be Derelict can emerge and take off, we also find out that "if we don't stop it, there won't be any home to go back to." It's unclear whether Shaw was wrong about the pictograms being an invitation at all or merely about assuming the it was a friendly invitation. "They were looking for our beginning. What they found could be our end."
So ... space jockeys lure us to some rock so that they can figure out the way to Earth? To destroy humanity with the xenomorphs? But then, why do all these ancient Earth cultures seem to know where the space jockeys are ... um, based? The trailer analysis Flashman posted above wonders whether the pictogram is actually a warning to stay away -- seems a bit unlikely given scholars could read the ancient writings and one would think the Aztecs or Babylonians might have scrawled "beware" under their star pictures if they knew as much. Most plausibly, the jockeys already know where Earth is and don't need us to help them find it but for some reason cannot currently (i.e., by 2085) get there.
I'd guess then that the space jockeys placed these images into human cultures at a time when they did not yet require, for whatever purpose, humanity, knowing we would eventually develop interstellar flight (maybe setting us on that path, von Daeniken style) -- perhaps at a time when the jockeys would require rescuing/awakening/resurrection. It seems that human exploration of the ship catalyzes the changes leading up to the ship's activation -- and the appearance of ambulatory jockeys. Using the parasitic ecology of the xenomorph by way of analogy, perhaps the jockeys also require a host. But instead of breeding, the host in this case is required for evolution. (Just tossing it around but perhaps the xenomorph is one of their previous stages of evolution?) That doesn't explain, however, the existential threat to Earth Shaw mentions. Or the giant human-looking head statue.
Unless the head statue is a shill, meant to get humans to put their faces near those ampules and so get ... infected. There's a shot, maybe only in the UK trailer, where a crewman is looking in the mirror and checking out his eyes. I'd bet this is the same dude whose wailing around while something melts his helmet. Near the end of both trailers, we see someone in a Prometheus crew uniform/space suit who looks burnt/scarred/changed jump down on someone busy with a flamethrower.
Also -- we seem to know how the Derelict became a derelict (assuming this flick takes place on LV426): Janek crashes the Prometheus into it ... explaining the huge hole that Dallas and company and later Newt's parents climb into to meet their dooms. But where oh where in Alien and Aliens is the Prometheus? Must have made it off-planet somehow -- but to where and with what onboard?
The movie is called Prometheus? What fire of the gods does that little ship bring back and to cause what big things? Or is the Prometheus bringing human fire to LV426?
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I've wondered if at some point the species that left the map died off but left a contingency plan to repopulate their species by transforming their 'children' into them. One of the crew gets infected and begins the transformation to become a space jockey and head to Earth to do the same to the rest of the human population. Shenanigans ensue.
Same as above but with the character being a synthetic human it doesn't quite work out like it is supposed to, creating a biomechanical monster. Shenanigans ensue.
Or, in Warhammer nomenclature, the Old Ones left the invitation, but not being a space faring race we didn't know that at some point thousands of years ago they were wiped out in a war with the C'tan and so when we show up it is the last remnants of the C'tan waiting for a way to bring themselves back and not the Old Ones. Shenanigans ensue.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
As you might guess from my own post, I think your first hypo is the most likely and your second one is the most interesting. The third one, while also cool, seems the least likely to me because the addition of a replacement mystery race seems a bit redundant. Although I guess that could be a consolation prize for everyone who hates the idea of knowing anything more than visual references to the jockeys. I wonder if the "key" isn't the role of the xenomorph.
I tend to balk at the idea that the xenomorph is a weapon. It'd be a terrible weapon, based on what we've seen in Alien and Aliens.
I have been tracking this movie for awhile now. Ever since I heard that Ridley Scott and H. R. Giger were working on this I have been very excited about it. As some of you may know, those two and Dan O'Bannon are what made the original Alien the best, (unless you are still a 12 year old boy and you think Aliens is the best).
What some of you may not know is that Giger was royally screwed over by the producers when he worked with them on the sequels. Alien 3 was when he got the worst treatment. Heck they only credited him for the original alien design in the credits and that didn't even happen until the DVD release.
Giger swore off working with the franchise ever again unless Scott helmed the project as a director. This was way before Prometheus was even on the table or Scott as a director for that matter. Giger really liked working with Scott who was of the few people who ever really appreciated Giger's work on the Alien franchise.
As for the connection to Alien, I believe it is pretty apparent that they are related. I do not think the movie is a direct prequel, as in tying directly into Alien by the end of the movie, but more or less an event that had taken place in the same universe prior to the events in Alien. It shows the space jockey for one thing, and the ship that the Space Jockey is in does fall over in the trailer and lands in the same position as the ship in Alien. The two ships are exactly alike.
More or less I believe (in my honest opinion), that this movie will detail the story that describes either the origins of the human race and/or the origins of the xenomorph aliens, perhaps showing what they would look like if they did not use a host body to evolve.
Manchu wrote:As you might guess from my own post, I think your first hypo is the most likely and your second one is the most interesting. The third one, while also cool, seems the least likely to me because the addition of a replacement mystery race seems a bit redundant. Although I guess that could be a consolation prize for everyone who hates the idea of knowing anything more than visual references to the jockeys. I wonder if the "key" isn't the role of the xenomorph.
I tend to balk at the idea that the xenomorph is a weapon. It'd be a terrible weapon, based on what we've seen in Alien and Aliens.
Well I think the original cncept behind the "alien" ship was that it was effectively a biowarfare bomber, who's payload got out of containment...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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I've mulled over the idea of xenomorphs as weapons for a while. The are some problems: they cannot be directed, they don't preserve infrastructure, they can't take captives, they are about as susceptible to small arms fire as humans, and there is no off-switch. Yes, I know: "none that we know about." But if the space jockeys or whoever had a weapon powerful enough to deal with the xenomorphs, why not just use that on their enemies rather than the messy, inefficient xenomorphs? The best you could do conceptually to rehabilitate the idea of xenomorphs-as-weapons is propose that they have some kind of internal killswitch/control box that we don't know about, not being space jockeys (yet). That strikes me as pretty silly and it still doesn't explain away other weaknesses of the xenomorph as a means of warfare. What kind of bomb is only dangerous if someone goes near it and is successfully attacked by its payload? And, much like the absurd idea that zombies would pose a threat to modern much less future human military might, I can't really see a more realistically-portrayed Marine Corps (PFC Hudson's anxiety was a bit of a plot conceit, don't you think?) having much trouble against the xenomorphs. If all you wanted to do was punish or terrorize a culture then the xenomorph might be good for that -- assuming, like in the movies, that every possible thing that could go wrong for the target does go wrong. Otherwise it's only good for torturing primitive species. Bioengineering the xenomorph seems like a lot of work just to give cavemen a hard time.
If you assume that somebody designed these things, looking at their strengths is a good way to figure out what they were designed for. So what are the aliens good at? Hiding, ambushes, hand-to-hand combat, maybe pack tactics (that may or may not depend on the presence of a queen). These things won't give a species with air planes, tanks, machine guns, and atomic weapons a run for their money -- unless that species voluntarily forgoes all of those advantages in an effort to be ... sporting. That's right, the xenomorph just happens to be good at all the things that Predators value in their prey. Now that is just a coincidence. I mean, the franchises were not developed with each other in mind. But they do seem to call out to one another all the same.
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Hopefully it's really eerie and unnerving, and a million times better than Pandorum.
