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It does seem to have limbs in the second image.

We likely aren't going to see the Xenomorphs or a proto-xenomorph. It'll be new monsters to show how powerful the Space Jockies are.

Mr Hyena wrote:We likely aren't going to see the Xenomorphs or a proto-xenomorph. It'll be new monsters to show how powerful the Space Jockies are.

Probably, but I imagine there will be hints here and there.

The biggest hint will be that mural of the alien seen in the trailer. Ridley made it very clear that this is a completely different movie nor have much of a connection to Alien. Expanding the universe is more his goal.

Mr Hyena wrote:We likely aren't going to see the Xenomorphs

or a proto-xenomorph.

So ... yeah. Looks like we might see both of those things. Or, at least given the pictures, it's as least as likely as not.

Manchu wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:We likely aren't going to see the Xenomorphs

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or a proto-xenomorph.

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So ... yeah. Looks like we might see both of those things. Or, at least given the pictures, it's as least as likely as not.

For the second picture: look at Giger's drawings. He did a two-tailed serpent beast that looks exactly like that. Its not a Xenomorph.

For the first, thats pretty much the nod to Alien that was expected.

Mr Hyena wrote:Ridley made it very clear that this is a completely different movie.

And then there was the mural. I was dubious about his "no, seriously, guys" approach before. Now I am downright


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Mr Hyena wrote:For the second picture: look at Giger's drawings. He did a two-tailed serpent beast that looks exactly like that. Its not a Xenomorph.

And a gerbil isn't a hamster.

For the first, thats pretty much the nod to Alien that was expected.

I would agree that a "proto-xenomorph" is a pretty solid nod at Alien.

Manchu wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Ridley made it very clear that this is a completely different movie.

And then there was the mural. I was dubious about his "no, seriously, guys" approach before. Now I am downright

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Mr Hyena wrote:For the second picture: look at Giger's drawings. He did a two-tailed serpent beast that looks exactly like that. Its not a Xenomorph.

And a gerbil isn't a hamster.

For the first, thats pretty much the nod to Alien that was expected.

I would agree that a "proto-xenomorph" is a pretty solid nod at Alien.

Giger did a lot more drawings than the Xenomorph design. Its ignorant of his work to refer to them all as Xenomorphs.

A 'proto-xenomorph' would be a pretty solid nod to alien yeah, but is pointless since its not LV-426. I'm going with the House of Horrors Biomechanoid theory that seems the most correct. That is, multiple various kinds of biomechanoids.

How'd you figure that it isn't LV426?

No one said all of Giger's drawings were xenomorphs. And Prometheus is hardly a documentary about Giger's sketchbook.

Ridley Scott is full of crap. That's my two cents.
I will most definitely be seeing this in theatre. I am fully prepared to eat crow after watching.

How'd you figure that it isn't LV426?

How much have you been following Prometheus's development?

For it to be LV-426 you would need to explain why there has been a massive enviromental change between this movie and Alien. Remember how harsh LV-426 was for lifeforms (before the human terraforming facility). It was cold, rained Methane and was stormy.

Scott says it occurs in the same system though.

No one said all of Giger's drawings were xenomorphs. And Prometheus is hardly a documentary about Giger's sketchbook.

Of course. But its relevant when this isn't a movie about xenomorphs.

Ridley Scott is full of crap. That's my two cents.

The director isn't credible?

The US and International trailer both hardly show Charlize Theron. Think they hired an well known Oscar winner just to do a bit part, or maybe they arer trying to trick us.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the third (space?)ship in the trailers yet either. It is at 2:01 in the UK international trailer. The Prometheus, the Derelict, and ???

Another thing I was just thinking about was how they had to wear environmental suits in Alien, and Aliens to some extent, but in this they are just walking around without there helmets on inside quite a bit, and the outdoor area is quite calm it seems.

Edit: Mr. Hyena beat me to pointing out the evirnment was different. Though if these things are space gods changing a planet for the worse wouldn't be to hard. If we nuked the Earth it would radiaclly alter the climate as well. Making a planet worse is easy, making it better is hard. Still it could just as easily be a different planet. I would be happy to see it take place on several different worlds.

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Mr Hyena wrote:

Ridley Scott is full of crap. That's my two cents.

The director isn't credible?

Did you know that Ken Watanabe is playing Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins?

Mr Hyena wrote:It was cold, rained Methane and was stormy.

Could be a nice day. Everyone seems to have helmets on outside so I'm not buying that there is a necessarily giant difference in environment between a clear bright day and a dark stormy night. Also, humans did okay without astronaut suits on LV426 in Aliens.

Scott says it occurs in the same system though.

Did he say "it's not LV426"?

But its revelant when this isn't a movie about xenomorphs.

The movie doesn't need to be about xenomorphs in order for them to be present. Ahtman and I were chatting about this earlier in the thread. If anything, a Giger design showing up in a prequel to Alien has a lot better chance of being a xenomorph or proto-xenomorph than some random drawing out of a Taschen coffee table book.

Is this film set on LV-426?

Ahtman wrote:The US and International trailer both hardly show Charlize Theron. Think they hired an well known Oscar winner just to do a bit part, or maybe they arer trying to trick us.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the third (space?)ship in the trailers yet either. It is at 2:01 in the UK international trailer. The Prometheus, the Derelict, and ???

Another thing I was just thinking about was how they had to wer environmental suits in Alien, and Aliens to some extent, but in this they are just walking around without there helmets on inside quite a bit, and the outdoor area is quite calm it seems.

It sounds like its a different world on the same system terraformed by the Jockies. What I'd like to know is why is the system so important to them?

Unsure if this has been linked in the thread yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba_nCvYnr7Q&feature=youtu.be

Seems to hint at no 'huggers or chestbursters as we know them.

Could be a nice day. Everyone seems to have helmets on outside so I'm not buying that there is a necessarily giant difference in environment between a clear bright day and a dark stormy night. Also, humans did okay without astronaut suits on LV426 in Aliens.

They were walking around in the temple ruins with no helmet on. What about where the Jockey Ship lands in the trailer? it isn't positioned anywhere like it is in Alien (missing the mountains).

Thats because LV426 was being terraformed by Humans during Aliens.

I imagine we won't see hardly anything 'as we know them'. I'm not expecting an Alien movie, but a story that is part of the mythology of that same universe, and that, even in some small way, it will have connective tissue to the alien creatures from the other films.

Ahtman wrote:I imagine we won't see hardly anything 'as we know them'. I'm not expecting an Alien movie, but a story that is part of the mythology of that same universe, and that, even in some small way, it will have connective tissue to the alien creatures from the other films.

From what we've seen so far is that we'll see how the Jockies make creatures LIKE the Xenomorphs (aka Biomechanoids) through that primodial goo stuff rather than see them.

Ridley also said we'll see something like a chestbuster scene but he was 'too embarassed to say' much about it. So expect something pretty gruesome (vaginal birth/c-section of a biomechanoid is hinted)

Ahtman wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned the third (space?)ship in the trailers yet either. It is at 2:01 in the UK international trailer. The Prometheus, the Derelict, and ???

I guess this is a very early or very late sequence in the movie showing some exposition regarding some aliens or other visiting Earth. Note that the water fall connects the Flying Saucer and Bald Man. If the saucer is taken to indicate a fourth species, the theory that the pictograms are a warning is stronger. OTOH, the Bald Man is clearly transforming in a way similar to what happens to the panicked Prometheus crewman aboard the Derelict -- indicating that the saucer belongs to space jockeys. Maybe ancient jockey ships look like saucers and future jockey ships look like horeshoes? One thing about sci-fi films is that they often portray races that are older than mankind not changing at all.

Ridley Scott is full of crap. That's my two cents.

The director isn't credible?

Not when he's quoted specifically stating that this movie will have absolutely no ties to the Alien franchise except for the Weyland connection, and that it is in fact a whole new and entirely seperate universe.

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-alien-connections/6784?wssac=164&wssaffid=news

I think he's full of crap so he can have a big "gotcha" moment at the end of the movie.

The saucer is probably linked to the whole 'seeding of life' scene at the beginning of the movie.

Not when he's quoted specifically stating that this movie will have absolutely no ties to the Alien franchise except for the Weyland connection, and that it is in fact a whole new and entirely seperate universe.

Didn't he say its in the same universe but a different story than about the xenomorphs?

Mr Hyena wrote:They were walking around in the temple ruins with no helmet on. What about where the Jockey Ship lands in the trailer? it isn't positioned anywhere like it is in Alien (missing the mountains).

The facehugger breached Kane's helmet to no consequence (as far as respiration is concerned).

Thats because LV426 was being terraformed by Humans during Aliens.

The one atmospheric processer had been there for only twenty years. Doesn't sound like it was too hard a job to turn a completely poisonous atmosphere into a completely breathable one after all -- unless the atmosphere wasn't totally poinsonous. But we don't have to speculate because Ash tells us: 10 percent agron, 85 percent nitrogen, 5 percent neon, and trace elements. Similar to Earth's atmosphere, minus the oxygen -- which only took 20 years to change. So yeah, this could be LV426. I'm not saying it is but unless you've been chatting with Sir Ridley or were at a secret screening, I'm not sure that you can just declare that it's not LV426.

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Didn't he say its in the same universe but a different story than about the xenomorphs?

Maybe you missed this. I did include it in my previous post...

Lint wrote:Maybe you missed this. I did include it in my previous post...

And as you said, he is obviously full of gak. A corporation named Weyland is obviously not the only connection. For starters, there's the Derelict and the space jockies.

Manchu wrote:How'd you figure that it isn't LV426?

No one said all of Giger's drawings were xenomorphs. And Prometheus is hardly a documentary about Giger's sketchbook.

Yes in fact, having owned some of the books featuring his art, there is only a single drawing of the 'banana head' alien (and even then quite different to the actual design in the first film).

Manchu wrote:

Lint wrote:Maybe you missed this. I did include it in my previous post...

And as you said, he is obviously full of gak. A corporation named Weyland is obviously not the only connection. For starters, there's the Derelict and the space jockies.

It does raise the question, though, as to why Scott's trying to pass Prometheus off as having minimal connections with the Alien universe, when the evidence we've seen in the trailers show otherwise.

I get this feeling:

The facehugger breached Kane's helmet to no consequence (as far as respiration is concerned).

Facehuggers feed oxygen to the host to keep them alive.

The one atmospheric processer had been there for only twenty years. Doesn't sound like it was too hard a job to turn a completely poisonous atmosphere into a completely breathable one after all -- unless the atmosphere wasn't totally poinsonous. But we don't have to speculate because Ash tells us: 10 percent agron, 85 percent nitrogen, 5 percent neon, and trace elements. Similar to Earth's atmosphere, minus the oxygen -- which only took 20 years to change. So yeah, this could be LV426. I'm not saying it is but unless you've been chatting with Sir Ridley or were at a secret screening, I'm not sure that you can just declare that it's not LV426.

Then what about the mountain discrepancy? The ship isn't even located where it should be.

It does raise the question, though, as to why Scott's trying to pass Prometheus off as having minimal connections with the Alien universe, when the evidence we've seen in the trailers show otherwise.

It depends what kind of connection. He seems like he wants it to be connected universe-wise, but he doesn't want to revisit the Xenomorphs as he considers them done.

Well if it's a completely different Giger creature that is somehow not related to the Alien i'll be shocked.

Giger's work is two distinctive to plausibly represent drastically different creatures in these closely knit films.

As for LV-426 being different? Well there is that Sand storm thing.

Perhaps events in the film unleash some kind of planet altering force. A massive section of ground does open up after-all, and then that storm appears to arrive, it could be the opposite of the Atmosphere processor.

Atmosphere De-generator?

Sounds a tad silly. Meh.

@infinite_array

I think he wants to curb people from judging it against Alien. I think he wanted to do different things with sci fi and horror while the studio wanted to market it as "if you loved Alien -- and we know you did -- then you must see Prometheus." Remember the pre-trailers: "the inventor of the genre returns" and all that? And then at the same time you have interviews with Sir Ridley where he says it's nothing to do with Alien at all, even less to do with it than it obviously has to do with it in fact ... somehow ... because of drugs? There are always these tensions. Just look at the poster for Alien. It shows what looks to be a dinosaur egg cracked along the lower part. What the feth does that have to do with anything?

Mr Hyena wrote:
Then what about the mountain discrepancy? The ship isn't even located where it should be.

On this - one of the trailers shows what appears to be the 'jockey's' ship flying. I also think there was an explosion, which may account for its shift in position.

Mr Hyena wrote:Facehuggers feed oxygen to the host to keep them alive.

And where'd the facehugger get it from? Photosynethsis in the lightless bowls of the Derelict? "And then some magic happens."

Then what about the mountain discrepancy? The ship isn't even located where it should be.

The Derelict takes off, is rammed by the Prometheus, and the rolls all over the place. Is there a clear shot of where it settles? Also there are going to be some minor differences, even if we did have the GPS coodinates to hand. To wit: