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So an arguement with a friend. He claims vendettas suck gak hard. They are the worst unit in the game and a waste of money, paint and points. I said the opposite.


Hopefully this thread and the more intelligent people of Dakka will convince him.


I give it an 8.5 or more.

I find that surprising. I run a hybrid list and most of my opponents are happy when they dont see me pull out my 2 birds.

I would give them a 9, they are great all around and especially for the points. A lone vendetta would only get an 7.5, as it would be targeted fast and not do so well. Overall tho, a great unit.

10. They are, point for point, the single best vehicle in the game.

His arguement spawns from a 2k game in which he ran platoons and 9 Dettas. He scouted them flat out as I told him for the 4+ cover and his opponent had hydras.

DarknessEternal wrote:10. They are, point for point, the single best vehicle in the game.

Pretty much this.


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His arguement spawns from a 2k game in which he ran platoons and 9 Dettas. He scouted them flat out as I told him for the 4+ cover and his opponent had hydras.

Poor play on his part does not make a unit bad.

Actually just bad luck.

He is misguided. He believesVendetta conversion kits are GW not FW, tge best loadout for Terminators is PFs and that Carapace Armour is essential for a Camo Cloak Commissar Lord In COD.

10.

can transport, move fast, has armor 12, and 3 TL lascannons for 130 points.

Best fast attack slot in the game hands down.

9.5 - They can hit hard but need support and can be counter when unsupported by vets

11

The best unit in the entire codex. And easily one of the top3 best units in the entire game.

They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

10 - Theyre cheap, fast, tansport and excellent firepower.

On a scale from 1-10 they are jelly. If you do not have access to them they are the greatest thing since fire. If you do have access to them, you could take it or leave it.

They used to be good, ypu could have rated them at a 9 or a 10. Now I wouldn't take one in my list. Better use of points and everyone will shoot them right away. If they are in reserve they do you no good.

I would rate them a 3 or 4.

Smitty0305 wrote:

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

A good army will have plenty of S8/9 Anti-Tank weapons. The vendetta will draw plenty of fire.

I never leave home without at least one, I'd take two, but I don't have the models yet! Has never failed me, although the melta vets have choked once or twice, but they are always useful. Especially because once they arrive, my opponent goes out of his way to take them out!


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I rate them about a 7. Decent, but with the sheer spam of str 7+ they fall out of the sky too easy. And if used as a transport i rate them a 4. Theyre a gunship not a transport.

Joey wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

A good army will have plenty of S8/9 Anti-Tank weapons. The vendetta will draw plenty of fire.

They are cheap, and can come in squads, you can have plenty of them shooting back at dreads for an equivalent cost with better anti-tank guns (that are twin linked), and are fast.

Joey wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

A good army will have plenty of S8/9 Anti-Tank weapons. The vendetta will draw plenty of fire.

Yes. Vendettas suck, because people shoot at them.

8-9. They are fragile but powerful. They fill a role. They are not for every IG list.

They look great on paper, but the fact is they will never get cover and shoot in the same turn. They are only AV 12. Your opponent will always have line of sight to them.

Sasori wrote:

Joey wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

A good army will have plenty of S8/9 Anti-Tank weapons. The vendetta will draw plenty of fire.

Yes. Vendettas suck, because people shoot at them.

Taking down an AV12 flier is a hell of a lot easier than taking out an AV 14 Russ.

Joey wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Joey wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

A good army will have plenty of S8/9 Anti-Tank weapons. The vendetta will draw plenty of fire.

Yes. Vendettas suck, because people shoot at them.

Taking down an AV12 flier is a hell of a lot easier than taking out an AV 14 Russ.

Said av12 flier can take down an AV 14 Russ for cheaper,

You use lascannons to take out AV 14?
Russ vs Vendetta the Russ wins hands down/

Leman Russ tanks are also more expensive, slow, and are only av 14 on the front.. Not to mention that the vast majority of anti tank taken are melta guns, which a fast speeder can easily get away from.

ph34r wrote:
They look great on paper, but the fact is they will never get cover and shoot in the same turn.

Incorrect sir. They will ALWAYS have cover on the first turn and be able to shoot all of their weapons.

DarknessEternal wrote:

ph34r wrote:
They look great on paper, but the fact is they will never get cover and shoot in the same turn.

Incorrect sir. They will ALWAYS have cover on the first turn and be able to shoot all of their weapons.

That is a well known fact, and provides no use after the first turn; the same could be said that a unit could be impervious to fire by always moving on by reserves.

Vendettas have one turn of reprieve by use of scout.

Joey wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Joey wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:

Joey wrote:They're delicate, difficult to get cover from, and highly visible. Personally I prefer more durable alternatives but they seem highly-rated on here.

Your definition of durability is bad. A Vandetta has the ability to move 24" away, as well as the ability to move 12" and shoot a weapon. Any other "more durable tank" has problems with moving away form incomming fire, and is much more prone to getting assaulted.

A good army will have plenty of S8/9 Anti-Tank weapons. The vendetta will draw plenty of fire.

Yes. Vendettas suck, because people shoot at them.

Taking down an AV12 flier is a hell of a lot easier than taking out an AV 14 Russ.

About the same for my DE, actually

Vendettas are ludicrously good, for their points.

Sure, they'll have a hard time getting cover, but AV 12 isn't hat shabby (especially if you don't play IOM armies Sense of AV 14 entitlement there...)

They aren't a flying LR. They aren't supposed to be. They carry an obscene amount of powerful, accurate firepower, for very few points. One turn's shooting can more than repay you for the points invested.

Sure they have a huge neon sign saying SHOOT ME!!! flying from the tailfin, but compare them to other units with a similar role. They are more durable by far than a Voidraven, for example, and carry more in the way of firepower IIRC, while having better armour, similar speed, more weapon options, the same cover issues...

The voidraven isn't completely useless, and flickerfields might help it stay alive, but the vendetta is far better on the whole (unless you are dumb enough to fly in head on into Hydraspam )

10 They scare me.

A russ is 20 points more, has better armor and can be screened by infantry so they cant get within melta or assualt it. Its main weapon can hit pretty much the whole table.

Not saying vendettas suck, but i am saying theyre not perfect either. Theyre a good solid 7. Unless your running them as a transport. Then theyre horrible. (Valkyries are better as transports)

russes also compete for heavy slots though. Manticores/hydras/arty all fighting for that spot. Also, AV 14 for front only as previously stated. 10 on the back make assaults pretty painful since it's slow.