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Hey guys, I've got around 1k of Grey Knights so far and am working towards completing my 2k List, however I am also making a list at 1000, 1500 and 1750 to play games either in tournaments or with people who don't have the points for larger games. I am looking for a list that is both enjoyable to play with and is capable of winning games, how is it?

HQ:

Librarian 175
Might Of Titan, Quicksilver, The Shrouding, The Summoning, Warp Rift

Troops:

Strike Squad 280
MC Hammer, 2 Psycannons, Rhino, Warp Stabilization Field

Strike Squad 280
MC Hammer, 2 Psycannons, Rhino, Warp Stabilization Field

5 Terminators 230
MC Hammer, 4 Halberds, Psycannon

Heavy Support:

Land Raider Redeemer 265
Multi Melta, Psybolt Ammunition, Warp Stabilization Field

Dreadnought 135
2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition

Dreadnought 135
2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition

1500/1500

No comments?

all of that...for 1500 points.... THAT'S SEMI COMPETITIVE!?!?!?!?!?!? you will win every game you come across with this hands down

what i would do is might of titan quick silver sanctuary and the shrouding reason being when in assault have your libby go I 10 and +1 ST and have your termys do hammer head so they are now ST 6 and roll 2d6 to hit vehicals and your hammer hits at ST 10 roll 2d6 and when being shot at do the other two

your flame templates at ST 7 and assult canon ST 7 ST 5 storm bolters and ST 8 auto cannons is over kill (you can probably get rid of warp stabilization feild

I would get rid of the Summoning and all of the Warp fields as the Rhinos could just drive behind the Land Raider if they want to be near the Librarian, and if you ever do use the Power then theres a good chance of the Rhino scattering on to the Librarian or the vehicle he's in.

I would then also change the Terminators Halberds for Swords or Falchions since you don't need the +2 Initative because of Quicksilver. If you're planning on driving the Terminators straight at the opponents army and then assaulting then i would drop the Psycannon for an Incinerator instead.

With the points you've saved i would give both of the Strike Squads Psybolt ammo.

jbsnv wrote:all of that...for 1500 points.... THAT'S SEMI COMPETITIVE!?!?!?!?!?!? you will win every game you come across with this hands down

what i would do is might of titan quick silver sanctuary and the shrouding reason being when in assault have your libby go I 10 and +1 ST and have your termys do hammer head so they are now ST 6 and roll 2d6 to hit vehicals and your hammer hits at ST 10 roll 2d6 and when being shot at do the other two

your flame templates at ST 7 and assult canon ST 7 ST 5 storm bolters and ST 8 auto cannons is over kill (you can probably get rid of warp stabilization feild

It will actually get raped by DE and can lose easily to SW armies, other than that i can sort of see where you're coming from!

What i mean by Semi Competitive is not the beardy Draigo/Crowe Lists as the ultra competitive are the competitive lists those days and anything not Crowe or Draigo is semi


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rogersss wrote:I would get rid of the Summoning and all of the Warp fields as the Rhinos could just drive behind the Land Raider if they want to be near the Librarian, and if you ever do use the Power then theres a good chance of the Rhino scattering on to the Librarian or the vehicle he's in.

I would then also change the Terminators Halberds for Swords or Falchions since you don't need the +2 Initative because of Quicksilver. If you're planning on driving the Terminators straight at the opponents army and then assaulting then i would drop the Psycannon for an Incinerator instead.

With the points you've saved i would give both of the Strike Squads Psybolt ammo.

Cheers for the comments, i will defo drop summoning then to save points good plan there, you should see my ultra cover Tactic with the LR, LR moves on, 2 rhinos go behind and pivot to the side so they are 50% covered by LR then the 2 dreads deploy behind them so they get a 4+ cover so a massive 3+ bubble from the shrouding if the stuff is shooting directly forward (which if the enemy deploys first i can react to their deployment and ensure most of my stuff will get a cover save from their shooting).

Im gonna keep the halberds, Quicksilver only works in your turn so after that i will be I6, and plus Qucksilver works on any friendly unit within 6" so i can target a SS or something lol.

I'll see if i can save some more points and get back to you.

lovin this lists :3

also love the fact that you can just rage make all your weapons instant death and kill nob bikers with ease

jbsnv wrote:lovin this lists :3

also love the fact that you can just rage make all your weapons instant death and kill nob bikers with ease

Yeah the Libby unit would do well against those kind of Deathstar units where allocation is really important as the libby can make my termies S6 and then they can activate their force weapons meaning killing nob biker's on 2's!

A banner might help me here for those annoying Anti psyker tyranids, it means all i need to do is get 1 6 against a Hive Tyrant or Tervigon and it's dead, no Shadow in the Warp For me! although it does drop 2 power weapon attacks, i might test it out if i've got the points as i do gain attacks and it's another thing for allocation.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

jbsnv wrote:lovin this lists :3

also love the fact that you can just rage make all your weapons instant death and kill nob bikers with ease

Yeah the Libby unit would do well against those kind of Deathstar units where allocation is really important as the libby can make my termies S6 and then they can activate their force weapons meaning killing nob biker's on 2's!

A banner might help me here for those annoying Anti psyker tyranids, it means all i need to do is get 1 6 against a Hive Tyrant or Tervigon and it's dead, no Shadow in the Warp For me! although it does drop 2 power weapon attacks, i might test it out if i've got the points as i do gain attacks and it's another thing for allocation.

no no no if you read it you can turn the whole unit into a force weapon >:3 instant death if you hit them

jbsnv wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

jbsnv wrote:lovin this lists :3

also love the fact that you can just rage make all your weapons instant death and kill nob bikers with ease

Yeah the Libby unit would do well against those kind of Deathstar units where allocation is really important as the libby can make my termies S6 and then they can activate their force weapons meaning killing nob biker's on 2's!

A banner might help me here for those annoying Anti psyker tyranids, it means all i need to do is get 1 6 against a Hive Tyrant or Tervigon and it's dead, no Shadow in the Warp For me! although it does drop 2 power weapon attacks, i might test it out if i've got the points as i do gain attacks and it's another thing for allocation.

no no no if you read it you can turn the whole unit into a force weapon >:3 instant death if you hit them

Force weapon means if you wound them and they fail a save and dont have Eternal Warrior, they die reguardless of how many wounds they have remaining, so first I need to be able to put an unsaved wound on nob bikers first, and seeing as they're T5 i need that S6 so i have enough for one wound on each guy so they all die!

Well, the list seems competitive to me as long as you don't lose the LRR too early in the game.

i think you read that wrong force weapon is a power that you do once activaded is your normal force sword (witch is a power weapon) but if you hit the enamy if they dont have at least a 5++ then they die regardless of T or armor saves so 2 wounded nob bikers DIE if you hit them on a +4 to hit

wuestenfux wrote:Well, the list seems competitive to me as long as you don't lose the LRR too early in the game.

Yeah, I ran a similar list to this when I played against DE yesterday and it died 1st Ravager shot of the game, and it only hit once lol, after that my termie unit got screwed and i ended up losing, those lances will no doubt be the bane of this list

In fact, an LR is always a gamble at this pt level. I've seen games in which Space Marines destroyed a LR by the first shot (lascannon).

I'd leave the LRR at home. Termies are not much better than a GKSS unit when it comes to shooting. Frankly, GK Termies are overpriced to me.

wuestenfux wrote:In fact, an LR is always a gamble at this pt level. I've seen games in which Space Marines destroyed a LR by the first shot (lascannon).

I'd leave the LRR at home. Termies are not much better than a GKSS unit when it comes to shooting. Frankly, GK Termies are overpriced to me.

They are by no means the best unit, and I think that's where the Semi Competitive factor comes in for me, I know there are better options but I really wanted Terminators in my list, at 2K i have 4 SS and then a Purifier unit in a LR Godhammer but I'm not sure whether the Godhammer would be a good bet despite 2 TL Lascannons to add to my Long Ranged Anti Tank firepower. I love the GK Terminator models and wanted a Librarian so I had to go for that unit!

I think a lot of people forget that Warhammer is a hobby first and a game second and while you should focus on winning you should also look at getting the models which appeal to you, otherwise all armies are the same and it ruins the community of Warhammer if everyone cares about winning, what's the point in collecting an army if you don't like the models?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:In fact, an LR is always a gamble at this pt level. I've seen games in which Space Marines destroyed a LR by the first shot (lascannon).

I'd leave the LRR at home. Termies are not much better than a GKSS unit when it comes to shooting. Frankly, GK Termies are overpriced to me.

They are by no means the best unit, and I think that's where the Semi Competitive factor comes in for me, I know there are better options but I really wanted Terminators in my list, at 2K i have 4 SS and then a Purifier unit in a LR Godhammer but I'm not sure whether the Godhammer would be a good bet despite 2 TL Lascannons to add to my Long Ranged Anti Tank firepower. I love the GK Terminator models and wanted a Librarian so I had to go for that unit!

I think a lot of people forget that Warhammer is a hobby first and a game second and while you should focus on winning you should also look at getting the models which appeal to you, otherwise all armies are the same and it ruins the community of Warhammer if everyone cares about winning, what's the point in collecting an army if you don't like the models?

i do it to play the bloody game FOR THE EMPEROR (and the blood god)

I'm thinking about putting a warding stave in there, maybe for allocation or even on the librarian to keep him alive, i could do this by dropping warp stabilization and The Summoning and getting one warding stave, but should i have it on the termies or the libby?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:I'm thinking about putting a warding stave in there, maybe for allocation or even on the librarian to keep him alive, i could do this by dropping warp stabilization and The Summoning and getting one warding stave, but should i have it on the termies or the libby?

keep in mind it only used in cc what ever you get in cc with will probably die the moment you charge i would just leave him with a thunder hammer and go with the powers we listed above and scrap the summioning because its not that usefull

jbsnv wrote:i think you read that wrong force weapon is a power that you do once activaded is your normal force sword (witch is a power weapon) but if you hit the enamy if they dont have at least a 5++ then they die regardless of T or armor saves so 2 wounded nob bikers DIE if you hit them on a +4 to hit

No, I think you read it wrong. A krak rocket ID's a nob biker, you still have to roll to would. As for not getting Inv's, you get inv's from wounds caused and you need to wound to be able to ID.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, the list seems competitive to me as long as you don't lose the LRR too early in the game.

Yeah, I ran a similar list to this when I played against DE yesterday and it died 1st Ravager shot of the game, and it only hit once lol, after that my termie unit got screwed and i ended up losing

Yeah, I'm awesome aren't I

This list it better imo, you were pretty short on long ranged anti-tank, so once that LR bit the dust it was always going to be hard. The Dreads would make things a LOT harder for anyone packing lots of light armour.

Gorechild wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, the list seems competitive to me as long as you don't lose the LRR too early in the game.

Yeah, I ran a similar list to this when I played against DE yesterday and it died 1st Ravager shot of the game, and it only hit once lol, after that my termie unit got screwed and i ended up losing

Yeah, I'm awesome aren't I

This list it better imo, you were pretty short on long ranged anti-tank, so once that LR bit the dust it was always going to be hard. The Dreads would make things a LOT harder for anyone packing lots of light armour.

This was my original list in the first place, it was just i've got a bit of everything from each list i have at different points levels so i could try everything out!

That said, the halberds would've done a lot better if you didn't roll a 6 for combat drugs

I might go for a stave on a guy tho, it can help me with allocation too.

New List:

HQ

Librarian 190
Might Of Titan, The Shrouding, The Santcuary, Warp Rift, Empyrian Brain Mines, 2 Servo Skulls

Troops:

Strike Squad 275
MC Hammer, 2 Psycannons, Rhino

Strike Squad 275
MC Hammer, 2 Psycannons, Rhino

5 Terminators 230
MC Hammer, 4 Halberds, Psycannon

Heavy Support:

Land Raider Redeemer 260
Multi Melta, Psybolt Ammunition

Dreadnought 135
2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition

Dreadnought 135
2 TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition

1500/1500

Empyrian Brain Mines give me a chance to stop a few enemies from attacking, I will try them out and see how they work and whether I should keep them, thoughts?