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so i ram a another vehicle say a land raider. Travel max distance to get there lets say 12.5 inches. (red paint and all) with my Battle wagon with a deff rolla.

inside the wagon is a nob with a pk

so i ram immobilize the LR and am parked next too it.

my assault phase i use my boarding plank and swing and whiff lets say. (i can still due this since neither vehicle has moved more than 12") (red paint notwithstanding)

now opponents assault phase my truck is still sitting in boarding plank range. what is stopping me from assaulting from my plank again?

as far as i can tell i can still in their assault phase use my plank and maybe finally destroy what i am hitting.

The problem, is the wording of the boarding plank, "as if the ork were disembarked and charging". Since you cannot charge on your opponents turn...

Gonna say 'no' to opponents turn as you are not engaged or BtB and the plank doesn;t give you explicit permission to do so on your opponent's turn. Hell it doesn't even say what phase and implies the ork players assault phase which means the rule needs a bit of RAI to work... which means no RAI for hitting on opponent's turn.

for the plank can be with in 2 inchs for it to work

at HJ i see that.

but it also says makes it close combat attacks

on a side note what restriction does charging have to do with an opponents turn?

The fact that you can not charge in your opponents turn.

That is why the restriction is important.

"as if the ork were disembarked and charging"

And since you can not charge on your opponents turn, you can not use the plank on your opponents turn.

jsut to press the point. where does it say i cant in the brb?


on the plank issue.

i satisfy the requirements to use it it i am within two inches

so it is if i am in b2b with said vehicle for purposes of CC and i get my furious charge bonus since i count as charging

It says it where it says you can not charge during your opponents turn. (P.33 you can only assault in your turn).

ok death reaper, where does it say i am assaulting ? it says i make my Close Combat attacks as if i was disembarked and charging?

no where do i make an assault.




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(though technically i am assaulting ie punching something is assaulting it, try it on a person see where that gets you lol) (has no in game effect)

Charging = assault.

The ork that did the Boarding Plank attacks is not base-to-base with the enemy vehicle if he stays in his Trukk, no attacks on the enemy turn.

nothing on page 33 disallows an assault on an opponents turn, the only thing forbidding you to do so is well simply its not your turn.

and assaulting=/=charging

edit

assaulting = charging. the rule book does not have the word charge in the assault phase section, its implied.

still has no bearing on the current situation though

The only things that give your models permission to make attacks in the enemy turn is being engaged in CC or being b2b with a vehicle you assaulted.

This is a permissive ruleset - it gives you permission to do something, not permission to do anything that isn't forbidden. Nothing prevents you from issuing orders to IG squads on the enemy turn either, except for it not being your turn.

I'd say it makes sense fluff wise: Orky the Ork ain't gonna sit around in his big bad battlewagon while there's things to chop up

Especially if there's a nice juicy immobile land raider parked next to him hehe

permission granted.

am i with in 2" of an enemy vehicle yes

did neither vehicle move more than 12. yes

and embarked ork can now make CC attacks as if he was charging.

that right there is pretty permissive to me?

does it say can only do it in the controlling players assault phase. No

does it mention any thing about phases at all. No.

tell me where i dont have permission to use this piece of wargear.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:and assaulting=/=charging

If that is true, then you do not gain the benefits of Furious charge when using the boarding plank.

So Charging either refers to Assaulting, or Charging refers to nothing, as charging is not really defined in the BRB.

and you can not charge in your opponents turn, as you do not have permission to do so.

Well: intead of going through all that reasoning, you could have just made the conclusion

BECAUSE - ORKS

DeathReaper wrote:

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:and assaulting=/=charging

If that is true, then you do not gain the benefits of Furious charge when using the boarding plank.

So Charging either refers to Assaulting, or Charging refers to nothing, as charging is not really defined in the BRB.

and you can not charge in your opponents turn, as you do not have permission to do so.

i did edit that statment, and you could argue that, cause charging is not defined as you said



the boarding plank gives permission?.

Charging must be read to mean "as if you are assaulting", to mean anything.

You cannot launch an assault in your opponent's turn.

No the boarding plank does not give permission to assault in your opponents phase. It says "as if the ork were disembarked and charging" and you can not be charging in your opponents turn.

So Charging = Assaulting, or Charging means nothing, and you do not have permission to swing because it does not say (as if the ork were disembarked and assaulting) since you can only make CC attacks if you have assaulted something.

In 4th ed Charging = Assaulting (As far as I remember), so that is possibly why it is written that way.

time for some verbatim

Boarding Plank

"Orks often employ hinged planks that allow them to make daring assaults on nearby vehicles. A boarding plank allows a single embarked Ork to make its close combat attacks against an enemy vehicle within 2" exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging provided neither vehicle has moved more than 12" "


I am Making my CC attacks as if I charged. but i am not Moving my model and charging or doing any thing of the assault.

the way it is worded i hit i CC like i am Actually in CC but at no time is my ork in CC

"exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging"

Means for the purposes of the rule, you are charging.

Which you are not allowed to do in your opponents assault phase.

Just place the Ork model on the battlewagon somewhere, but within BtB with the enemies vehicle. He is still embarked, and can "make its close combat attacks against an enemy vehicle within 2" exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging"

TheMostSlyFox wrote:Just place the Ork model on the battlewagon somewhere, but within BtB with the enemies vehicle. He is still embarked, and can "make its close combat attacks against an enemy vehicle within 2" exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging"

Actually no, you can not do that, as you are not allowed to "place the Ork model on the battlewagon somewhere" because when they embark you remove them from the table.

DeathReaper wrote:"exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging"

Means for the purposes of the rule, you are charging.

Which you are not allowed to do in your opponents assault phase.

the Attacks are made as if i am Charging but at no point am i charging

i get the +str but i don't charge you

There are two mentions of the boarding plank in the FAQ, one of them being:

Q: Can an Ork that is attacking an enemy vehicle by
using a boarding plank do so even if his unit fired at a
different target in the Shooting phase? (p93)
A: Yes.

The wording of the Q assumes that the attack takes place in the Ork's attack phase (because of the reference to the previous Ork shooting phase).

Maybe this helps?

Well then, have I got a bone to pick with all the SM and subsidaries, IG, and other Ork players that place models on their tanks

It does slightly due to the fact i am not Assaulting in the either players assault phase. so who i shoot at before hand is irrelevant

the wording also says Attacking, not assaulting.

Second part that mentions the Boarding plank

Q: Can a Walker attack back against an Ork attacking
him from a boarding plank? (p93)
A: No.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:so i ram a another vehicle say a land raider. Travel max distance to get there lets say 12.5 inches. (red paint and all) with my Battle wagon with a deff rolla.

inside the wagon is a nob with a pk

so i ram immobilize the LR and am parked next too it.

my assault phase i use my boarding plank and swing and whiff lets say. (i can still due this since neither vehicle has moved more than 12" (red paint notwithstanding)

now opponents assault phase my truck is still sitting in boarding plank range. what is stopping me from assaulting from my plank again?

as far as i can tell i can still in their assault phase use my plank and maybe finally destroy what i am hitting.

Now I'm confused here. You say you move more than twelve?, but then you say you didn't move more than 12"?

Anyway, assuming you didn't move more than 12 - you're asking for permission to use wargear within your opponents phase. The owning player is actively "activating" his model inside the trukk to use the boarding planks. Since you can't activate your units in the opponent's turn, unless specifically stated otherwise, I'd say you could not use Boarding Planks.

And I'm an Ork player, btw

The Ork is not in combat with the Land Raider.

What you are doing is using a bit of vehicle wargear to make an attack.

You can't use wargear in an opponents turn unless the wargear itself gives permission.

TheMostSlyFox wrote:Well then, have I got a bone to pick with all the SM and subsidaries, IG, and other Ork players that place models on their tanks

As long as they are only doing it to denote what transport is holding which squad, then it is okay, but it has no game effect beyond letting everyone know what unit is in what transport.

Having the model there on the vehicle and trying to have him make attacks from the back of a Land Raider is not allowed...

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:"exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging"

Means for the purposes of the rule, you are charging.

Which you are not allowed to do in your opponents assault phase.

the Attacks are made as if i am Charging but at no point am i charging

i get the +str but i don't charge you

You are making attacks "exactly as the Ork was disembarked and charging" So it is treated exactly as if you were charging...