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"Where are all the chicks?", my wife asks me. Being a trophy geek-wife, she is excited about video games, comics, collectibles, and other geek pursuits. And now that I am getting into 40k she is also taking a closer look. I suggested that the Orks seems to be more her play style and approach, which she was expectantly apprehensive of at first, but reluctantly accepted. But as she looked over the models, she makes the previous assessment. So, I look through all the various armies and find Sisters of Battle (flamethrower, melta chicks with power armor and jet packs? hell yeah!) and... well, nothing else really in specific. Sure, there are Eldar and some daemon. But other than that, the absurd amount of people fighting in space decided to leave their ladies at home it seems. To appease her I offered to help make tiny little pairs of ta-ta's for each and every ork in her army.

But that doesn't really solve the issue here. Of course, this is all merely based on my own personal experiences, but I have found that there are in fact quite a few girls who are not afraid to let their geek flag fly, and would rather see some strong female characters representing them on the field of battle. Hell, my other friends who are guys would like more female models simply to gawk at lecherously.

SO LET'S SEE 'EM! BRING ON THE LADIES!!

Ideas, thoughts, opinions?

Hopeless cause this hobby and ladies will never go together no matter what you do

Considering orks grow from fungus and not breeding, there's no need for male or female "parts", are there?

I've seen some IG "female" bits in the form of some catachan models from GW and some 3rd party bits. Dark Eldar have female characters and several troop bits.

I would bet money that the next Cadian set would have them. Not sure why the current set doesn't.

Harriticus wrote:Hopeless cause this hobby and ladies will never go together no matter what you do

Yeah, this.

They don't mix at all, except in rare cases. The old Arundel Mills GW had a lady working there. She was pretty cool, and took her hobby seriously, but I don't think I've ever met another serious female gamer.

Girls who ARE into 40k stay away from the GW shops because they're full of neckbeards who'll stare at them.
But there are some.

Space marines by fluff can't be girls so the vast majority of armies being played and models being made can't be girls.
There's a few concessions to gender diversity in the fighting forces, shadowsun, deamonettes, sisters, banshees, half the guardian/dire avenger torsos have tatas, etc.

Consider the following.

"Strong female leads" in the media sense, rather than being reflective of what the TV trope term would actually suggest, are usually just femdom models and an extension of the obsessive pandering to male sexual gratification cloaked in an unsubtle veneer of "you go girl" feminist caricatures.

Basically big breasts and chakrams with skin tight leather suits tying men up while they cuddle with scantily clad submissive lesbian partners.

Anything like this is simply a non starter for actual feminists.

Fun fact, 110 pound waifs cannot beat up 230 pound men that play football and practice Jiu Jitsu. I don't care how jacked up you are on girl power. Women who actually kick ass are stinky, husky, and crass, and they have big biceps and square jaws. There's a reason the former are the archetypal "strong female lead" rather than the latter, and that reason is male sexual gratification.

Think hard, here. Is this for men or for women?

...all girls want is money...u spend a ton on this hobby...itll piss em off and c it as a waste...end of story ur money goes to them not models..

Soccerlfb6 wrote:...all girls want is money...u spend a ton on this hobby...itll piss em off and c it as a waste...end of story ur money goes to them not models..

Exactly. Women like diamonds and shiz.

Are you talking about female models or gamers?

The lack of female models is due to GW not wanted to spend the extra money in creating alternative molds for different sexes, so they go by the most logical and base the molds on the male physique (unless the fluff background explicitly states that the soldiers are predominantly female. Consider that as their attempt at diversity)

The reason why you don't see that many female gamers is...same with video games I guess. They're a minority.

TedNugent wrote:
Think hard, here. Is this for men or for women?

Both. Women love imagining themselves as attractive just as much as we men do, they like to feel sexy and powerful, not look like men for the most part. I doubt many militant feminist lesbians play this game anyway.

But 40k would be awesome for having more female, black, and asian models in it. ANGRY ones.

TedNugent wrote:
Women who actually kick ass are stinky, husky, and crass, and they have big biceps and square jaws.

Seriously?

Testify wrote:Girls who ARE into 40k stay away from the GW shops because they're full of neckbeards who'll stare at them.

Exactly. I am disgusted every time the store gets quiet when a female walks in. It's like these damn kids have never seen one.

juraigamer wrote:

Testify wrote:Girls who ARE into 40k stay away from the GW shops because they're full of neckbeards who'll stare at them.

Exactly. I am disgusted every time the store gets quiet when a female walks in. It's like these damn kids have never seen one.

Prolly because they haven't

Redbeard wrote:

TedNugent wrote:
Women who actually kick ass are stinky, husky, and crass, and they have big biceps and square jaws.

Seriously?

Somewhat OT but they're both somewhat masculine and unattractive.

I dunno about that...I like the black haired one.

Tau could have plenty of female models, maybe they just look very similar to males. Add all that armour and no one can tell the difference.

There is an inquisitor who is a female in the GK codex, but sadly there is no model for her yet......

Testify wrote:Somewhat OT but they're both somewhat masculine and unattractive.

I know we're not on FARK, but this was just asking for it...




Glad to see Studman branched out into 40k.

What the bloody hell is a fark?
Is that some sort of euphemism?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:What the bloody hell is a fark?
Is that some sort of euphemism?

Not sure if serious...

fark.com?

Let me Google that for you...

Mr Nobody wrote:Tau could have plenty of female models, maybe they just look very similar to males. Add all that armour and no one can tell the difference.

Actually correct on this one, fire warriors are a mix of male and female units, all within armor, not to mention the females don't have breasts so there's not much of a need to show off.

Eldar has plenty of females as well.

There's one or two IG armies that have all female models.

Yes, I was serious.
I honestly had no idea what that was.
You won't believe how relieved I was when google turned out a community website concerning news articles

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, I was serious.
I honestly had no idea what that was.
You won't believe how relieved I was when google turned out a community website concerning news articles

In all seriousness, Fark is one of those places on the internet that is well and truly "a good thing". As a news aggregator, it does a really good job and is pretty entertaining to boot. I recommend folks drop by occasionally, just to see what's up.

Now if you're in for even more entertainment, dropping into the comments threads is usually good for multiple lols.

(And no, I don't feel bad for this detour since this thread was doomed from the start.)

pretre wrote:

Testify wrote:Somewhat OT but they're both somewhat masculine and unattractive.

I know we're not on FARK, but this was just asking for it...




Glad to see Studman branched out into 40k.

I don't like musclular women therefore I'm a neckbeard. That's brilliant.
Reported.

The main problem is that women haven't traditionally been warriors in most places at most times throughout history. Not only does this mean that it will culturally drive men rather than women to play a war game (and thus the company will want to make their product relatable to their main demographic), but it makes it much easier to just assume that everyone is male.

Of course, your hubby can always make an all-female army. As mentioned, there are conversion kits for guard, SoB is obviously all ladies, and it's also very possible to make an all-female eldar army, as not only is there blatantly female units, but guardians come with male and female torsos, making it pretty easy to kitbash. Likewise, there are plenty of female options for dark eldar as well.

If she wants the orks, though, just give them lipstick, and, well...



It's not that hard to have ladies in a 40k army.

Testify wrote:I don't like musclular women therefore I'm a neckbeard. That's brilliant.
Reported.

Taking the internets a bit seriously?

You put your opinion on a picture in a discussion forum out there, don't be surprised if it gets reactions.

Back to the original post though... Playing with little men and going pew-pew has always been more of a male pursuit. Not that there aren't women who play, but they are just rarer. Add to that the anti-social tendencies of a large amount of the community and you have a recipe for few females in the hobby.

The whole thing is circular. Women don't play, there are relatively few female models. What came first? Doesn't matter, it is what it is. If GW could be convinced they could expand to include females as customers (themselves, not buying for a male), we would likely see more female models. But trying to integrate females into this hobby is difficult.

Ya'll are forgetting what happens when a female does play. Not only is she stared at, she is treated like prey. There inevitably is one or more dude who will not back off on demanding her attention. Makes any woman uncomfortable. Then there are the jerks who just have to "help". Constant, non stop, condescending remarks. Why play a game just to be treated like an idiot?

There are creative intelligent women who would be interested, such as those who play wow, d&d, etc. But not with the treatment they experience from the males in the hobby.

Hobbywise, this just isn't something your typical female is going to be interested in. There are a few here and there but it is a male centric hobby by attribute.


Modelwise,

Tau: There is almost no outward physical difference between male and female Tau, certaintly none that would show through the armor they wear.

Eldar and Dark Eldar: The model ranges are about 60/40 male female.

Space Marines: The process only works on males.

Orks: As a species they are asexual. No male or female.

Nids: Similer to orks, they are devoid of sexual definitions. You could see Termagants and Tervigons as being Female because they do reproduce but overall the Nids are devoid of this sort of thing. Genestealers hijack whatever reproduction system their targets happen to have so they would have females with certain races.

IG: This is due to GW not making plastic female sculpts. Some of the older ranges had some female models. There is also a partial fluff reason, women are seen as more valuable for making babies then as soldiers. On some planets the only women in the IG are those who are unable to have children. Even Cadia, a planet that is 100% militarized, keeps it's women close to home so the birth rate can be maintained.

Jonny_Awesome wrote:"Where are all the chicks?", my wife asks me. Being a trophy geek-wife, she is excited about video games, comics, collectibles, and other geek pursuits. And now that I am getting into 40k she is also taking a closer look. I suggested that the Orks seems to be more her play style and approach, which she was expectantly apprehensive of at first, but reluctantly accepted. But as she looked over the models, she makes the previous assessment. So, I look through all the various armies and find Sisters of Battle (flamethrower, melta chicks with power armor and jet packs? hell yeah!) and... well, nothing else really in specific. Sure, there are Eldar and some daemon. But other than that, the absurd amount of people fighting in space decided to leave their ladies at home it seems. To appease her I offered to help make tiny little pairs of ta-ta's for each and every ork in her army.

But that doesn't really solve the issue here. Of course, this is all merely based on my own personal experiences, but I have found that there are in fact quite a few girls who are not afraid to let their geek flag fly, and would rather see some strong female characters representing them on the field of battle. Hell, my other friends who are guys would like more female models simply to gawk at lecherously.

SO LET'S SEE 'EM! BRING ON THE LADIES!!

Ideas, thoughts, opinions?

the hobby is vagina repellent. chicks practically walk faster past the store to avoid seeing anything or hearing any of the conversations.