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Looks like Space Marines are getting pretty much everything else in Finecast now towards the end of May.

I was looking forward to seeing the Thunderfire in Finecast but went ahead and bought two second hand ones and $56 is a little pricey!

Space Marine Bike Squad Upgrade Pack ---------- $10.00 Finecast
Crimson Fists Shoulder Pads ---------------------------- $10.00 Finecast
White Scars Bike Squad Upgrade Pack ---------------- $10.00 Finecast
Crimson Fists Command Squad Upgrade Pack -----$13.25 Finecast
Ultramarines Shoulder Pads -----------------------------$10.00 Finecast
Crimson Fists Tactical Squad Upgrade Pack ---------- $14.75 Finecast
Crimson Fists Assault Squad Upgrade Pack -----------$14.75 Finecast
Iron Hands Tactical Squad Upgrade Pack ---------- $18.25 Finecast
Sergeant Telion -----------------------------------------------$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Librarian with Staff & Book -----------$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Librarian: Force Sword & Bolt Pistol --$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Chaplain: Crozius & Power Fist -----$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Chaplain: Skull Helmet ---------------- $16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Librarian: Force Axe & Plasma Pistol--$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Apothecary: Chainsword -----------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Multi Melta -----------------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Heavy Flamer -----------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Sergeant: Bolt Pistol & Power Weapon -----$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Flamer -----------------------------$16.00 Finecast
Shadow Captain Kayvaan Shrike -----------------------$19.25 Finecast
Chapter Master Pedro Kantor -----------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge -----------------------$19.25 Finecast
Chief Librarian Tigurius -----------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Kor'sarro Khan -----------------------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armour -----$19.25 Finecast
Chaplain Cassius -----------------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Sergeant Chronus -----------------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Forgefather Vulkan Heston -----------------------------$21.50 Finecast
Space Marine Techmarine -----------------------------$21.50 Finecast
Space Marine Terminator Chaplain -----------------------$21.50 Finecast
Captain Darnath Lysander -----------------------------$21.50 Finecast
Space Marine Casualties -----------------------------------$24.00 Finecast
Space Marine Masters of the Chapter -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 2 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Ultramarines Tyrannic War Veterans -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Legion of the Damned Squad -----------------------------$41.25 Finecast
Space Marine Veterans MK2 -----------------------------$41.25 Finecast
Space Marine Veterans -----------------------------------$41.25 Finecast
Space Marine Thunderfire Cannon -----------------------$56.00 Finecast

(Original Sourse is BoLS http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/gw-news-may-releases-2012.html )

I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

THANK GOODNESS I just ordered and received all the LotD models I didn't have! The two-packs went up 8 dollars! But the singles only went up 1 dollar...... That is GW math for you.

Looks like I will be getting the Legion of the Damned guys at the end of the week. Don't want them in Finecast!

Awesome! I've been hoping the Thuderfire would go FC.

You've made my day, Killian!

The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!


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Also: Does this effectively mean no new Codex in May?

Stoffer wrote:Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!

Uhh... what?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!

Uhh... what?

I don't see that anywhere....(in the list posted)

Priced out the LotD models I'd want (11 of them). AUD$155.

Nope. If the choice is AUD$155 or Finecost (and never owning them), I'll take Finecost.

That's a hell of a lot of marines....

H.B.M.C. here in the USA, there are websites that sell gw items for 20-25 % off. you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

op i hope they don't do this for every army... i like my normal plastic orks

How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!

Uhh... what?

I don't see that anywhere....(in the list posted)

I think it might just have been me seeing the Chaplain and my wishful thinking taking over :(

Regardless, a big push of new models might be bad news for a new codex?

Only for one-piece plastics, sadly...

Stupid GW.

Stoffer wrote:
Regardless, a big push of new models might be bad news for a new codex?

I'm not following this sentence. New models is normally a good thing for a codex. However, none of these models are new, just switched from metal to Finecast.

What am I missing or what are you trying to say?

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

GW has never been particular keen on economics, or logic, when it comes to pricing. Their price rise every year strategy goes against all logic of supply and demand, and they seem to completely miss the fact that if they cost things with a lower profit margin they would get more people buying stuff and so would overall make more money. But that's a rant for another topic. In general, having price rises for anything becoming the 'cheaper and better' resin instead of 'expensive' metal really annoys me, but it's a stealth rise instead of the hike they'd do in June anyway so it does no more than confirm my expectations of GW's bad business policies so I'll leave it at that.

I figured this wave was coming about six weeks ago when I noticed the thunderfire was no longer available on the UK site. I will probably pick up a thunderfire in finecast, it's expensive but the metal kit was so horrible to keep together and so prone to being dropped and exploding that I've waited for this conversion before buying any.

@Kronk --

I think he means that by converting to Failcast, it means that these are NOT something about to be redone completely, and since they are all big staples of the Space Marine Codex, it seems unlikely it is about to be redone.

chobarba wrote:op i hope they don't do this for every army... i like my normal plastic orks

They only convert metal models to Finecast. Never Plastic to Finecast.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales. AT MOST someone will buy 3 Thunderfires and that's at the small end of the scale because they can compete with a bunch of other stuff like a Landraider(When not taken as a dedicated transport) when it comes to the FOC. Then you have to consider that it wasn't until the past few years that people have really been using them so before that maybe 1 in 5 Space Marine players even had a single one.

Just look at the price of IC models. I KNOW they do not cost more to produce than the average infantry model but they are gonna sell so few of them that they have to set the price higher to make a profit after the moulds.

This isn't an argument saying ALL their prices are justified because they are not. It just justifies the price point within their line-up.

chobarba wrote:H.B.M.C. here in the USA, there are websites that sell gw items for 20-25 % off. you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

I've not seen one selling metal models that also sells overseas.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

Because Finecast is a revolution in miniature wargaming, and represent the finest quality miniatures in the world.

(/monotone droning)

Of course, there's another way you could go:

1 Thunderfire cannon in resin - £35
1 FW Rapier Laser Destroyer + 2 stonking crew in resin - £29

Scottywan82 wrote:@Kronk --

I think he means that by converting to Failcast, it means that these are NOT something about to be redone completely, and since they are all big staples of the Space Marine Codex, it seems unlikely it is about to be redone.

Ah. I follow you (him), now.

Maybe, maybe not. I hadn't counted on seeing a new Space Marines codex before next summer, anyway. They'll always get a new codex with each edition, but there's is still competitive as-is IMHO.

Looking at the models on this list, they're all one-offs that wouldn't be conducive to a plastic kit, anyway. I would like to see a plastic kit for Chaplains/Librarians like the Captain kit, with lots of bits and do-das. But while I'm wishing, I want a pony, too.

Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

kronk wrote:

Stoffer wrote:
Regardless, a big push of new models might be bad news for a new codex?

I'm not following this sentence. New models is normally a good thing for a codex. However, none of these models are new, just switched from metal to Finecast.

What am I missing or what are you trying to say?

It seems like GW has a capacity to release x models at any one time. If that number is taken up by re-releases that might mean their resources are focused on that currently. Secondly those re-releases might compete with a new codex in terms of people spending their money.

Stoffer wrote:It seems like GW has a capacity to release x models at any one time. If that number is taken up by re-releases that might mean their resources are focused on that currently. Secondly those re-releases might compete with a new codex in terms of people spending their money.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don't think that converting from metal to finecast is taking up the sculpters' or codex writers' time, so I'm not too worried about that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

No, it just keeps it in line with everything else that goes up in price.

Or look at it this way. If it stayed $49.50 and went to Finecast then yes, compared to the rest of the prices in GWs line then it would be undercosted. Not saying that moving to Finecast is a justification of the price rise but the 13% increase just keeps it in line with everything else.

kronk wrote:

Stoffer wrote:It seems like GW has a capacity to release x models at any one time. If that number is taken up by re-releases that might mean their resources are focused on that currently. Secondly those re-releases might compete with a new codex in terms of people spending their money.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don't think that converting from metal to finecast is taking up the sculpters' or codex writers' time, so I'm not too worried about that.

Not necessarily, but it might take up a portion of whatever production resources are available to GW at any time. The other factor again is that it might be seen as two releases competing with each other, so you're giving people with a limited budget the choice of new models for an old codex instead of investing in whatever new codex comes out. The flipside of that is that if you're doing a marine codex (like Dark Angels) the timing of this is fairly good as you'll probably be able to use some of these models as a part of that release.

Killian wrote:

chobarba wrote:op i hope they don't do this for every army... i like my normal plastic orks

They only convert metal models to Finecast. Never Plastic to Finecast.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales. AT MOST someone will buy 3 Thunderfires and that's at the small end of the scale because they can compete with a bunch of other stuff like a Landraider(When not taken as a dedicated transport) when it comes to the FOC. Then you have to consider that it wasn't until the past few years that people have really been using them so before that maybe 1 in 5 Space Marine players even had a single one.

Just look at the price of IC models. I KNOW they do not cost more to produce than the average infantry model but they are gonna sell so few of them that they have to set the price higher to make a profit after the moulds.

This isn't an argument saying ALL their prices are justified because they are not. It just justifies the price point within their line-up.

Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

Exactly. I bought both of mine second hand but for me the reason wasn't the price, it was the horrid reputation the model had in metal. Yes, Finecast has a bad rap too but the Thunderfire is probably the single model that the Finecast version will have a better reputation than the metal model.

Did you buy yours second hand more for the price or the fact it was already assembled and you didn't have to deal with that? (If infact yours WAS pre-assembled.)

jspyd3rx wrote:The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

aha, nice reference

TBH there isnt anything there that I'll ever want for my marines, which is a good thing though I hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/