Space Marine Finecast Wave (May 19th)

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**Zygrot24**

I've put off buying a TFC for a long time because it was a $50US metal nightmare. Now it'll be a $56US uncomfortable awkward conversation. This doesn't make me want to buy one any more than before. I have yet to see one in the wild, but I've seen a couple really good conversions.

However many of those models are welcome in non-metal.

**ShumaGorath**

Killian wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

Exactly. I bought both of mine second hand but for me the reason wasn't the price, it was the horrid reputation the model had in metal. Yes, Finecast has a bad rap too but the Thunderfire is probably the single model that the Finecast version will have a better reputation than the metal model.

Did you buy yours second hand more for the price or the fact it was already assembled and you didn't have to deal with that? (If infact yours WAS pre-assembled.)

The price. Fifty dollars is ludicrous for what you get in that box.

**kronk**

As for the Thunderfire Cannon, I'm picking up the Rapier Laser Destroyer and will be using that as a stand-in. My gaming group is cool with it. It's a bit cheaper and I think it looks better, anyway.

**Breotan**

I'm not seeing the Deathwatch gun/shoulderpad. :(

**warboss**

Killian wrote:If it stayed $49.50 and went to Finecast then yes, compared to the rest of the prices in GWs line then it would be undercosted. Not saying that moving to Finecast is a justification of the price rise but the 13% increase just keeps it in line with everything else.

Keeping the price in line with everything else and being undercosted aren't necessarily the same thing. I could charge people $20 for red and blue M&Ms and $15 for each green one... that doesn't mean that the green one (despite its magical properties) is undercosted. I think the underlying issue is that the switchover to finecast doesn't warrant a price increase due to the incredibly variable quality of the casts.

**SlaveToDorkness**

I was thinking the same think, Kronk.

I'll probably get one of each to differentiate them. Anybody have a clue as to the size difference in them?

**kronk**

Breotan wrote:I'm not seeing the Deathwatch gun/shoulderpad. :(

Now that you mention it, I'm not seeing any guns on that list. The meltaguns and plasma guns aren't being redone, either.

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SlaveToDorkness wrote:I was thinking the same think, Kronk.

I'll probably get one of each to differentiate them. Anybody have a clue as to the size difference in them?

Comparing these two pictures, the footprint looks about the same, but the Thunderfire is a little taller.

**H.B.M.C.**

Breotan wrote:I'm not seeing the Deathwatch gun/shoulderpad. :(

And that makes you sad?

**mattyrm**

zedmeister wrote:Of course, there's another way you could go:

1 Thunderfire cannon in resin - £35
1 FW Rapier Laser Destroyer + 2 stonking crew in resin - £29

Agreed. I was gonna use the RLD as a TFC, and ive got a TFC! The model looks great.

**marv335**

I'll be getting a couple of TFC for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.

**Platuan4th**

Oh well, guess I'm never gonna have the new style LotD.

**helium42**

Quick, everybody buy up whatever metal marines you need now or foresee needing in the future.

**Brother Weasel**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

you wanted them so bad you havn't bought them in the years they have been out...

**H.B.M.C.**

Not made of money.

**aka_mythos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

I think what he's saying is GW sells so few Thunderfire cannons, to justify continuing to sell them they need to raise the price. I disagree, since I believe they sell so few precisely because of the high price.

**MajorWesJanson**

I'm happy to see the Bike squad, White scars, and Iron Hands bits show up, and separately from the kits! I have been planning on getting all three, but really don't need more bikes or another tac squad right now, just the bits. Now I can get just what I need (2 Bike Squads, a White Scar Squad, and an Iron Hands squad upgrade) for the price of one full bike squad.

**English Assassin**

I may be wrong, but aren't the metal (soon to be Finecast) pauldrons the wrong size for modern Marine kits? If memory serves, they were made for 2nd edition-era Marines, and are smaller that the present plastic ones. If so, it's a bit cheeky for GW to reissue them.

**H.B.M.C.**

I've put quite a few on various Marines in my Deathwatch army. Never had a problem fitting them to modern plastics.

**Killian**

Yea, got most of my Marines with Tac and Ultramarine pauldrons and only had some casting issues. Normal fit is fine.

**H.B.M.C.**

Just wish they'd release 'em in batches of 5. I don't need 10 Mentor Legion pads. I need like... three!

**Death By Monkeys**

What are the Bike Squad Upgrades? Is that the Bike Sgt w/ Power Sword, Biker w/ Plasma, and Biker w/ Melta?

**Brother SRM**

DPBellathrom wrote: hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

Have you looked like two threads down? Big Necron release in May.

**Bolognesus**

Brother SRM wrote:
DPBellathrom wrote: hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

Have you looked like two threads down? Big Necron release in May.

To be fair that particular behemoth is a good 200 pages longer than most peoples' attention span.

**Kanluwen**

aka_mythos wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

I think what he's saying is GW sells so few Thunderfire cannons, to justify continuing to sell them they need to raise the price. I disagree, since I believe they sell so few precisely because of the high price.

And they'll raise the stats more in the next book because they don't sell so great, and then people will complain about the "must have" unit being so expensive and in Finecast.

It's an endless cycle of shenanigans.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Iron hands upgrade sounds nice.

**timd**

Very, very glad that I picked the Space Marine Masters of the Chapter set in metal recently...

Although it looks like the set went down $2 in price from the metal price...

**spyguyyoda**

timd wrote:Very, very glad that I picked the Space Marine Masters of the Chapter set in metal recently...

Although it looks like the set went down $2 in price from the metal price...

There are a rare few things that have gone down. Off the top of my head, the Yeti's from WHFB are the only thing I can think of...

**juraigamer**

jspyd3rx wrote:The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

I've got $5 here plus shipping if you'd rather do that instead.

The iron hands bits are a nice touch, but after doing some math I raged.

Normally the price between the original boxes was $8.75 USD for the iron hands bits. How changing to finecrap and adding $10 USD to the price happened is beyond me.

**SickSix**

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:Iron hands upgrade sounds nice.

I have to say I think that is one of the biggest things to come out of this whole deal and I am actually excited about it. I think many overlooked that bit of news.

timd wrote:Very, very glad that I picked the Space Marine Masters of the Chapter set in metal recently...

Although it looks like the set went down $2 in price from the metal price...

Well I am with you on that. I have my metal Masters still in there box awaiting their fate. It is interesting that they went down in price and the LotD box went up considerably.

**1hadhq**

juraigamer wrote:

The iron hands bits are a nice touch, but after doing some math I raged.

Normally the price between the original boxes was $8.75 USD for the iron hands bits. How changing to finecrap and adding $10 USD to the price happened is beyond me.

SickSix wrote:
ChiliPowderKeg wrote:Iron hands upgrade sounds nice.

I have to say I think that is one of the biggest things to come out of this whole deal and I am actually excited about it. I think many overlooked that bit of news.

As this is a recast to resin release, its most likly the old bits, just "worth" more... or so they say.

So May is a 2nd and finecost - wave month.
I'll waste nothing on these, rather go for the new'crons.