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Finally iron hands finecast. Now i need to break apart my guys. O well this combined with necrons is gonna kill my warhammer budget

OH BOY, this is the bestest news ever! More Fincast is most epic WIN.





I can remember a point in time when I reveled in GW's new releases. Now... Well... I just don't know anymore.

Killian wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

Exactly. I bought both of mine second hand but for me the reason wasn't the price, it was the horrid reputation the model had in metal. Yes, Finecast has a bad rap too but the Thunderfire is probably the single model that the Finecast version will have a better reputation than the metal model.

Did you buy yours second hand more for the price or the fact it was already assembled and you didn't have to deal with that? (If infact yours WAS pre-assembled.)

When determining the price of a product there are a lot of factors you need to look at.
1 - How many they expect to sell? If everyone needs this item to make a viable army, then more people that have to have it and you would expect it to be cheaper because the benefit would be they produce more, they sell more. I don't know anyone that wants or needs 3 of these in one army. I have 1 but only because it looked cool and I needed something that could take out lots of cheap infantry like bugs and orks.
2 - What expenses can you control? Some costs are easier to estimate and control than others such as the cost to actually produce - this is usually done on a per unit basis but if you ramp up production, you incur additional labor, utilities, and other expenses indirectly related to the item produced. Once you start ramping up production, you find that costs usually increase exponentially rather than linear. The more power you use, the more you pay per unit of power. The more labor you use you start to get into OT or hiring additional employees. With the Thunderfire, I don't see them needing to sell too many.
3 - What is the turn over on the item? Will this sell like hot cakes because everyone needs the item to play or is this an ancillary piece that you can live without that you can expect to have sit on the shelf because it isn't a necessity. I've seen this item sitting on the shelves at my LFGS and even at 30% nobody bit on it. So that tells me its just not that great a seller and GW can expect it to sit on their shelves and their distributors shelves as well.

Not everything GW makes is sold at MSRP, their distributors get it between 40-50% off MSRP. So when they calculate the price, they look at it both ways - we want to make a profit when we sell to the Distributor and when we sell at our own shops. All of that goes into how they develop the price. GW and just about every other Company in the world tries to find the price point where they are able to maximize their profits or get as close to their profit max as possible. You are right about one thing though - your gross profit line does look like a bell curve - if its too high nobody will buy and if its too low you're selling the product for less than what you're making on it. Both are poor strategies and you will not stay in business long.

For the record, I bought mine second hand. It was assembled, pinned, and green stuffed. I bought it for $25 for both pieces

To be honest, finecast marines arent too bad

They are generally larger and alot more chunky than most other armies.
Its usually smaller parts that suffer from the poor casts and bubbles, so marines shouldnt be hit too badly i hope.
Do want the LotD models though, so hoping it will work out.

Also, for reference, all 3 of my mangler squigs are all 6 tyrant guards are all perfect quality, while necron characters and eldar aspects seem to have varous faults.

Well, Marines finally get the Finecast love. Powerfists are painful in so many ways.

Killian wrote:
Damned Legionnaire: Multi Melta -----------------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Heavy Flamer -----------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Sergeant: Bolt Pistol & Power Weapon -----$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Flamer -----------------------------$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 2 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Legion of the Damned Squad -----------------------------$41.25 Finecast

So, if you buy the squad they're $8.25 ea or you could buy the two-packs and get them at $16.50 each. Explain that in terms of production costs. Just ordered the metal ones I needed.

Edit: appologies to anyone responding...but after thinking about it for a second more I noticed sets 3 & 4 aren't listed so they may be rolling those into 1 & 2 to make four-packs...which would make sense pricewise. If not then it's a massive price hike.

Finaly LOTD marines in finecast

now I will have a awesome death company

Leth wrote:Finally iron hands finecast. Now i need to break apart my guys.

Okay, I'll bite. Um, why?

Had a bunch with just the shoulders that i was able to trade for. Now i can give em the bionic love they deserve. Anyone know what the bike upgrade things is?

I'm actually fairly excited about these. The veterans, librarians, and tech marines are some great models, and I love the Telion model. One problem I see is the Tigurius model. It's ancient, and needs an update badly.

It's not older than many of the models on that list - it's the same age as the Cassius and Calgar models for that matter - and it's the second Tigurius model GW's made.

Great, space marines get everything yet chaos space marines get nothing :/

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not older than many of the models on that list - it's the same age as the Cassius and Calgar models for that matter - and it's the second Tigurius model GW's made.

Yeah, those are outdated as well. Long story short, the model doesn't look so great.

Just realized the Iron Hands upgrade kit is among the new releases as well; another big plus!

Marneus Calgar? The Big M, in Termy armour, with full retinue, doesn't looks so great?

Ah, I thought you meant PA Calgar. Yes, termie Calgar looks amazing. But are you sure they're the same age? There's a distinct quality gap (more like yawning chasm) between the Tigurius and termie Calgar models. It's even evident in the style of their poses, as Tigurius is more static, indicative of GW's earlier work.

Back when Codex: Ultramarines came out (this is 2nd Ed) we got PA Calgar and the original Tigurius.

When Codex: Space Marines (4th Ed) came out, we got Termy Calgar & Friends, plus a new Tigurius to replace the old model. We also got Cassius w/Bolt Pistol.

Then when Codex: Spiritual Liege (5th Ed) came out, we got Cassius again, this time with the Combi-Flamer he had been released with accidentally for a little while back in 4th Ed (the first batch had Combi-Flamers for some reason). Termy Calgar and Nu-Tigurius were not replaced.

Jackal wrote:To be honest, finecast marines arent too bad

They are generally larger and alot more chunky than most other armies.
Its usually smaller parts that suffer from the poor casts and bubbles, so marines shouldnt be hit too badly i hope.
Do want the LotD models though, so hoping it will work out.

Also, for reference, all 3 of my mangler squigs are all 6 tyrant guards are all perfect quality, while necron characters and eldar aspects seem to have varous faults.

I guess you haven't seen the 25th Anniversary Marine...

Looks like i am not buying any of the new special marine models. No finecast for me.

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

THANK GOODNESS I just ordered and received all the LotD models I didn't have! The two-packs went up 8 dollars! But the singles only went up 1 dollar...... That is GW math for you.

Yes, GW math is terrible, just like stating a $13.25 model (LotD singles) going up to $16 apiece is a "1 dollar" increase. But it just wouldn't be a Finecast release without a 20% price increase, would it?*


So far as the TFC; I think it has nowhere to go but up. The metal model is a nightmare, so I think a $6 premium to have it in Finecast is probably acceptable. That being said for what the TFC actually does and it's statline it was probably $20 overpriced back when it was $50.

*Well, at least 20% - Chaplain Cassius is up 30%.

Arm.chair.general wrote:Great, space marines get everything yet chaos space marines get nothing :/

Chaos isn't begin to grow... until later this summer. : P

ThomasPolder wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote: hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

Have you looked like two threads down? Big Necron release in May.

To be fair that particular behemoth is a good 200 pages longer than most peoples' attention span.

To be fair, most peoples' attention span isn't long enough to read the first lines of the first post, where most information is covered

Arm.chair.general wrote:Great, space marines get everything yet chaos space marines get nothing :/

It's not really "everything" it's just a bunch of models getting converted from metal to Finecast. It's nothing new at all. Chaos will get theirs when they get a new codex sometime in the next 12 months.

Kroothawk wrote:
To be fair, most peoples' attention span isn't long enough to read the first lines of the first post, where most information is covered

Believe me, I know!

I was hoping for more time to buy these in metal. Looks like I may have to splurge to dodge a bullet.

helium42 wrote:

Jackal wrote:To be honest, finecast marines arent too bad

They are generally larger and alot more chunky than most other armies.
Its usually smaller parts that suffer from the poor casts and bubbles, so marines shouldnt be hit too badly i hope.
Do want the LotD models though, so hoping it will work out.

Also, for reference, all 3 of my mangler squigs are all 6 tyrant guards are all perfect quality, while necron characters and eldar aspects seem to have varous faults.

I guess you haven't seen the 25th Anniversary Marine...

Given that every Finecast Marine (well, every Finecast model, but Marines are what's relevant here) I've bought has needed to be returned at least once, I foresee titanic quantities of rage in GW stores across the land unless they take care to ensure the have more then twice the stock they expect to sell on-hand on 19th May.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

It just feels like GW doesn't really want to sell this gak sometimes. But even though they do everything ass-backwards they still somehow make money.

Thanks for the warning. Ordered the chapters masters this morning so I get them in glorious metal!

helium42 wrote:Quick, everybody buy up whatever metal marines you need now or foresee needing in the future.

Not really worth it anymore. With the full court press to finecast, I'[m heading over to warmahordes.

Sidstyler wrote:
And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

It just feels like GW doesn't really want to sell this gak sometimes. But even though they do everything ass-backwards they still somehow make money.

My Thunderfire usually does pretty damn well, to tell you the truth. I use an old Thudd Gun though. I think the Rapier Laser Destroyer that Forgeworld remade would be suitable anyway.

Sidstyler wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

I must admit this is where Mantic's Quad Cannon thing does come in handy. Can get 3 of those pretty much for the same price

Sidstyler wrote:But even though they do everything ass-backwards they still somehow make money.

GW is like Capcom

The power of "Fond Memories" and "Nostalgia" overpowers logic and reasoning

Sidstyler wrote:And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

Man, I swear by the two Thunderfires I run and my opponents never ignore them twice.