Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So you sit down, excited to play your new Blob-guard, or Nidzilla, or whatever list you may have just created, and boom, you see it. GK Purifiers. Psyfleman Dreads. Droppod BA. Longfang spam. Whatever it is, your opponent's army REEKS of hot, steaming, Limburger cheese. How do you respond?

I, personally, will keep going without a second thought, so long as the guy is polite and friendly. For me, games are about the people you're playing with, not what you're playing and who wins, so if I put out my fluffy-cloud Crimson Fists, and I get hit with six Psyfleman Dreads, and get totally steamrolled, it's no skin off my back. That said, I cannot, and will not, tolerate anyone who can't be polite, no matter what kind of list they're playing.

What about you?

Exactly the same as you it would see. I don't really view things as 'cheese'. If they're legal lists it's fine. And you should always build your lists with the intention of it playing as strong as any other list you play against. Otherwise you're just being sub-optimal.

If they can only win by spamming cheesy netlists then it's on their conscience.
Losing to lists like that, depending on what list you have, is no reflection whatsoever on your level of skill so there's no point getting irate about it.

I actually stay up on the current cheese and am ready for it. While my MoF/Lysander, my Honour Drop Codex marines, or my flanking meltabikes are hardly tourney ready, they are ready to trash tourney lists and I kinda want to see the cheese when I play.

I play for the challenge, and social interation, and the fun of sharing the painting/converting/list building hobby with others. A little cheese is more than welcome.

Try my best anyway, it depends a bit on the type as well. For example as I play Daemons and there is a GK list that has an automatic win against me; not much I can do about it.

I eat and kill it....

Slice it thin, put it on bread with dry salame and a nice spicy mustard and have lunch.

As for 40k, play to my best ability with the army I have and have fun. And if I win, so much the better.

I run a 2k list that drops 30 terminators on the board. So i get accused of cheese. That said its all about lets do this. heck my friend uses a mono-tzeentch deamon armies and it drives me nuts.

Cheese is only what you make of it.

If everyone is polite and friendly, then yeah of COURSE I keep playing.

But if I find myself playing NOTHING but those lists over a longer period of time, I'll take a break from the game. That's not really fun.

I've played against 3 GK players (one running Draigowing and the other 2 running Purifier spam, all with Psyflemen). I played nids against Draigowing, and didn't kill a single model. Then I played Chaos SM against one Purifier player, and Guard against the other. The Draigowing player was a and kept telling me how terrible I am at this game because I can't even kill a single model. Also, he was berating my paint job even though he didn't even have his models primed, and his excuse was he just doesn't have the time to paint em.

The first Purifier guy I faced was a bit more tactful and courteous.....at first. The first few turns he seemed like a nice guy until we got into CC and started making fun of me because I never got to hit him because of his psykic powers and 6 initiative. And he told me I'm an idiot for taking a Chaos Dread as he blew it up with his Psyfleman. Once again, I got smashed and packed up my models as my opponent gloated in victory.

The third GK player also had Purifiers and Psyflemen. He was a lot younger than the other 2 (maybe 15yo) so I wasn't expecting a gentleman's duel here (not that younger people can't act mature, they're just a rarity at my FLGS it seems). Anyway, I actually tabled him on turn 4. I had 3 Executioners (the Plasma one) to get rid of his troops, 2 suicide ST squads to melta his dreads, and Vet squads to pop his transports. After he lost he started whining about how IG are cheesy garbage that don't belong in 40k and aren't a fair fight.

The moral of this story is.....I've never met a GK player that could win or lose gracefully which makes me have a bias against the cheese that is GK. So if someone slaps down a smelly ol' pile of GK cheese across the table, I'll probably still suck it up to be respectful to my opponent in case they aren't jerks, but I have no problem packing my models and leaving if someone is being an ass. I play to have fun. And it seems like people who bring the power lists tend to be less friendly.

As for BA and SW, I've actually not had any problems with those players with the exception of a guy at our FLGS who brings Mephiston in every list he has.....including the ones at 1000 and below. Not to re-open that can of worms but that just isn't fun for me and I usually don't play against that player unless we play at 1500 and up.

Necrons have enough shenanigans to ruin any GK player's day. Night fighting negates the Dreads, Writhring Worldscape C'tan + tremorcrons keep infantry out of charge range forever, then spam Monolith vacuums for instant kills on their 2W Paladin spam. Oops, your Draigo(Or Mordrak, in my case) rolled a 6, I'm afraid he's dead. Good times.

There's no such thing as a cheesy army, only bad players who are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves.

There are illegal armies, but that's something else entirely.

With some fine wine and some French bread!

TermiesInARaider wrote:So you sit down, excited to play your new Blob-guard, or Nidzilla, or whatever list you may have just created, and boom, you see it. GK Purifiers. Psyfleman Dreads. Droppod BA. Longfang spam. Whatever it is, your opponent's army REEKS of hot, steaming, Limburger cheese. How do you respond?

I, personally, will keep going without a second thought, so long as the guy is polite and friendly. For me, games are about the people you're playing with, not what you're playing and who wins, so if I put out my fluffy-cloud Crimson Fists, and I get hit with six Psyfleman Dreads, and get totally steamrolled, it's no skin off my back. That said, I cannot, and will not, tolerate anyone who can't be polite, no matter what kind of list they're playing.

What about you?

Exactly the same. Today's cheese is tomorrow's crushed opponents, you just haven't figured out how to crush them yet. I have no complaints as long as the list is legal and not designed to make playing the game pointless (like those GK lists to completely stop a Daemon army from being able to deep strike at all).

Skriker

With Crackers and wine.

Anybody who walks away from the table because they don't like their opponent's (legal) list has bigger problems and didn't deserve the game in the first place.

I all depends on the person.If they are rude with the list then yes I bugs the crap out of me. If they are nice with then I am completely fine with it. I have been acused of being a cheesy player.The Necron Player in our group called my army cheese when my 9 incubi and archon w/ agoniser,drugs,ghostplate,shadowfeild,and phantasm ran into his warrior squad and wiped it before they could attack back. Soon after that squad tabled a squad of immortals and then i ran into lychguard which ended up tying up the squad which had his HQ in it for the rest of the game (2+ inv save for the win). After that he aclaimed that my list was cheesy and over powered. He then tried a match against the new eldar player in our group and he blamed the terrain and said that the eldar's list was cheesy.

Play carefully and cleverly, and beat the s*** out of the cheese army. Statistically speaking the person with the munchkin list isn't going to be as good a player as the person with a less competitive list since they've got a crutch they're leaning on; munchkin lists give you an edge but they're by no means unbeatable.

Consider: It's always the other guy who's 'cheesy'. You're only 'cheesy' if you're doing well. Odd, isn't it? Perhaps the entire game is somewhat more balanced than we'd all like to think (though some armies are easier to use than others), and accusations of 'cheese' are merely a cover for one's own incompetence or manifestation of sore losership...Food for thought, at least.

I respond with Plasmavets on Chimeras and Vendettas or Dark Lance spam.

AnomanderRake wrote:Play carefully and cleverly, and beat the s*** out of the cheese army. Statistically speaking the person with the munchkin list isn't going to be as good a player as the person with a less competitive list since they've got a crutch they're leaning on; munchkin lists give you an edge but they're by no means unbeatable.

Consider: It's always the other guy who's 'cheesy'. You're only 'cheesy' if you're doing well. Odd, isn't it? Perhaps the entire game is somewhat more balanced than we'd all like to think (though some armies are easier to use than others), and accusations of 'cheese' are merely a cover for one's own incompetence or manifestation of sore losership...Food for thought, at least.

I'm sure what you're describing is there, but I doubt that's all of it. On the one hand, you do have the whiny kid who screams cheese like he's cussing whenever something doesn't go his way. But then again, since when was GK having builds that are auto-win against Daemons fair? And trouble me not with all the crazy wound allocation stuff. And what about Longfangs? Attack two targets and make you a Thanksgiving dinner at the same time, plus they're dirty cheap?

I've grown to learn in just the past few days that things are not nearly as broken as they seem, but they are definitely skewed.

Belexar wrote:I respond with Plasmavets on Chimeras and Vendettas or Dark Lance spam.

I run plasma vets myself and I will happily concede they are pretty cheese, especially with 2-3 Vendettas. Huge amount of AV 12 that can smash vehicles and MEQ alike.

I'll continue to play against it just like any other reasonable person. Though, I have at times talked to them after the game about how cheesy I felt the list was. I won't accuse them of doing anything wrong, typically it will be more along the lines of "man, I wish my Codex could possibly do anything close to such a nice cookie cutter power list". Anyone smart would get the point, than it just (typically) turns into talks about how awesome said Codex is, while being a dual conversation about how Cheesy it can be. LOL

DarknessEternal wrote:There's no such thing as a cheesy army, only bad players who are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves.

There are illegal armies, but that's something else entirely.

This. Why should I blame another person for the poor forsight and testing of the developers?

I really don't complain about fakesauce armies. Dark Eldar are pretty stellar and pants most anything you want to bring to a scrap. About the only thing I can't stand to fight is that guy who had the money and time to build a massive 25 tank mechwall of IG at 2500 points. Other than that turd I pretty much enjoy all games, especially against really bad GK players when I have broken sauce night shields!

Why does the OP list the SW long fangs as cheese? I use them and most of the time they suck 3/5 hits is the norm with 2/3 wounds/pen/glance if that for a 5 man squad of mine. They seem on par with the other heavies imo.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:I really don't complain about fakesauce armies. Dark Eldar are pretty stellar and pants most anything you want to bring to a scrap. About the only thing I can't stand to fight is that guy who had the money and time to build a massive 25 tank mechwall of IG at 2500 points. Other than that turd I pretty much enjoy all games, especially against really bad GK players when I have broken sauce night shields!

So I'm guessing you're one of those 'embrace the cheese', types? I'm cool with that, so long as you're polite.

What I don't get is why you're ragging on the guy with the 25 tankwall IG list? If he put in the time, money, and effort to assemble and paint those tanks, why should he be condemned for using them, when you so proudly laud your brokensauce night shields? Sounds a little hypocritical, to me...

Fafnir wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:There's no such thing as a cheesy army, only bad players who are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves.

There are illegal armies, but that's something else entirely.

This. Why should I blame another person for the poor forsight and testing of the developers?

Right? Or why should I blame the other guy for my inability to see the way to counter his army?


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Kal-El wrote:Why does the OP list the SW long fangs as cheese? I use them and most of the time they suck 3/5 hits is the norm with 2/3 wounds/pen/glance if that for a 5 man squad of mine. They seem on par with the other heavies imo.

I found it hilarious when, after hearing how much people complained about Devastators being underpowered for their huge pointcost, they went on complaining about how overpowered Long Fangs were for their tiny poincost.

With a bag of nachos. Ask the cheese comes free, and if they say yes put their minis on the nachos and start eating them :p

Seriously, I just try and have a good time.

Belexar wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:There's no such thing as a cheesy army, only bad players who are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves.

There are illegal armies, but that's something else entirely.

This. Why should I blame another person for the poor forsight and testing of the developers?

Right? Or why should I blame the other guy for my inability to see the way to counter his army?


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Kal-El wrote:Why does the OP list the SW long fangs as cheese? I use them and most of the time they suck 3/5 hits is the norm with 2/3 wounds/pen/glance if that for a 5 man squad of mine. They seem on par with the other heavies imo.

I found it hilarious when, after hearing how much people complained about Devastators being underpowered for their huge pointcost, they went on complaining about how overpowered Long Fangs were for their tiny poincost.

That's why, or at least, that's the reason I'm told, that people think they're cheesy. For everyone else, they're very expensive, but for SW, they're cheap enough to spam, and can attack two targets. I don't actually have any problem with it. But I know other people do. That's why they're on there.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:I really don't complain about fakesauce armies. Dark Eldar are pretty stellar and pants most anything you want to bring to a scrap. About the only thing I can't stand to fight is that guy who had the money and time to build a massive 25 tank mechwall of IG at 2500 points. Other than that turd I pretty much enjoy all games, especially against really bad GK players when I have broken sauce night shields!

So I'm guessing you're one of those 'embrace the cheese', types? I'm cool with that, so long as you're polite.

What I don't get is why you're ragging on the guy with the 25 tankwall IG list? If he put in the time, money, and effort to assemble and paint those tanks, why should he be condemned for using them, when you so proudly laud your brokensauce night shields? Sounds a little hypocritical, to me...

Well mostly because my night shields are a strategy, more importantly, they are a strategy that can be circumvented. You can't really stop a well built Mech IG wall, it pretty much just grapes you regardless of your army. Imotehk CAN be sweet against it, but for the rest of us, a real IG mech wall is still about as graped as it gets.