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Would it be allowable in the tournament scene to use tomb King skellies as 40k plaguebearers of nurgle? I really like the look of the skeletons and plaguebearers look like ass to me. So I am just looking for thoughts.

No.

They look nothing like plaguebearers nor do they give me the impressions that they would behave like Plaguebearers (really tough to kill.)

The answer is not No.

But the answer is not Yes.

The answer is: It is up to the TO of the tournament. only he will be able to make this call.

Some TO's will allow it, as the Skeletons look nothing like any other 40K model.

Some TO's will not allow it.

It really just depends if the Tournament allows "Counts as" in this manner.

Plaguebearers are reanimated bodies in the same way skeletons are. They both come with cc attacks only, so its not like I would be modeling them any different weapon wise. Its just for aesthetics.

As long as the models are clear, the odds are good that these would be acceptable. I can't say 100% without a picture, but I'd almost certainly allow them.

Are you using different models for other things in your army as well (e.g. Cold Ones as Fiends)?

Plaguebearers actually arnt reanimated bodies at all...They are like buds from a tree iirc Also, i friggen LOVE Nurgle daemons! Woooooo!

They are magical beasties from beyond the void related to all sorts of death and decay. As long as the models are consistent and look like they are armed with the right kit there should be not problem, but as mentioned above, always best just to check with the TO.

They would be armed for cc as the plaguebearers are.
@jwolf- yes, I was looking at using cold ones or saurus as fiends. I absolutely loathe the fiend model.

I would be very surprised if any TO would allow this.

I'd like to bring Goblins to count as Space Marines to the same tournament.

Based on?
If it has about the same size and uses the same size base, what is the poblem?

Using goblins as space marines being the same as using skelletons as plaguebearers is not a good comparison imo. The skelletons are not small/short. They are infantry based, and as I stated before, I believe they are similar in concept as undead. (I am aware of nurgle being bloated/diseased. But in my the skellies are the end result of the rotten flesh being eaten away.)

Indeed, I actually think that skellies would be great plaguebearer models.

Not all of Nurgle's diseases bloat you - some are wasting diseases.

You could call them the "Bearers of Bulemia" and the "Anorexic Animae" for lulz.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Indeed, I actually think that skellies would be great plaguebearer models.

Agreed; I'd certainly allow it, as long as you don't have anything else they could be confused with.

Zoned wrote:I would be very surprised if any TO would allow this.

I'd like to bring Goblins to count as Space Marines to the same tournament.

As a TO, we'll have to disagree on what we think TOs would allow. And if you converted Goblins to have the same basic size and recognizable armament as Space Marines I think you could make a pretty cool looking army with Goblins as the base of the models; it would be hard, and you would probably have to use an equal number of Space Marine models to look good.

My opinion is that counting a Skeleton as a Plaguebearer is unreasonable.

In the game of WFB, it is T3 and has a 5+ armour save.

In the game of 40k, it is T5, has a 5+ invulnerable save, and FNP.

One model is a scarwny skeleton. One is a bloated daemon.

Are these at all similar?

I would say no. Obviously I was exasperating a little when I said I'd use goblins as Space Marines, but if a TO would allow the above ridiculous "counts as," they should allow mine as well. Clearly they're magic goblins who use their awesome psychic might to emulate the wargear/abilities of Space Marines.

Zoned wrote:My opinion is that counting a Skeleton as a Plaguebearer is unreasonable.

In the game of WFB, it is T3 and has a 5+ armour save.

In the game of 40k, it is T5, has a 5+ invulnerable save, and FNP.

One model is a scarwny skeleton. One is a bloated daemon.

Are these at all similar?

I would say no. Obviously I was exasperating a little when I said I'd use goblins as Space Marines, but if a TO would allow the above ridiculous "counts as," they should allow mine as well. Clearly they're magic goblins who use their awesome psychic might to emulate the wargear/abilities of Space Marines.

In the Game of 40k, Skellies don't exist. We aren't playing WHFB.

In the Game (and Fluff) of 40k, Undead models are exclusively employed by Nurgle. (Skellies are undead fyi).

One model is a scrawny, but still animate (and therefore clearly magical) skeleton with a sword.

The other model is a bloated cyclops-corpse with a sword. Still looks undead.

So they may not be similar, but in 40k, since there are no other skellies, it makes sense.

"So they may not be similar, but in 40k, since there are no other skellies, it makes sense."

So it is ok to use dissimilar models to represent the same thing.

Since goblins don't exist in 40k either, their should be no confusion, right?

I'll prime mine white and wash them blue to make it obvious they are magic goblins with psychic powers.

Aren't gretchins basically 40k goblins anyway?

I would have no problem playing against someone who used skellies as plaguebearers; i think it'd be interesting to show the variations of diseases that Nurgle can bestow besides the norm. I use WFB beastmen as bloodletters because i hate the new models and no one complains about that so i wouldn't worry too much.

Zoned wrote:"So they may not be similar, but in 40k, since there are no other skellies, it makes sense."

So it is ok to use dissimilar models to represent the same thing.

Since goblins don't exist in 40k either, their should be no confusion, right?

I'll prime mine white and wash them blue to make it obvious they are magic goblins with psychic powers.

same size model, same wargear (ish) ? No problem.

Entire army of counts as to avoid purchasing actual 40k models? Problem.

Entire army converted with lots of love and attention and modeled to represent the proper codex that best represents your army? No problem (aslong as its 50% GW minimum )

And as always. ASK THE TO XD

I think you could have fun with them with green stuff and have some flesh dangling or little pieces still barely attached or get crazy make a belly with a hole in it and guts and worms coming out.... would look totally cool. But as stated before depends on your TO

Zoned wrote:"So they may not be similar, but in 40k, since there are no other skellies, it makes sense."

So it is ok to use dissimilar models to represent the same thing.

Yes - I know a person who uses a StuH 42 as a Thunderer siege tank and a StuG III as a Destroyer Tank Hunter. They're as similar to eachother as skellies are to cyclops-corpses.

Zoned wrote:Since goblins don't exist in 40k either, their should be no confusion, right?

I'll prime mine white and wash them blue to make it obvious they are magic goblins with psychic powers.

Goblin models do exist in 40k, as gretchin.

Zoned wrote:My opinion is that counting a Skeleton as a Plaguebearer is unreasonable.

In the game of WFB, it is T3 and has a 5+ armour save.

In the game of 40k, it is T5, has a 5+ invulnerable save, and FNP.

One model is a scarwny skeleton. One is a bloated daemon.

Are these at all similar?

I would say no. Obviously I was exasperating a little when I said I'd use goblins as Space Marines, but if a TO would allow the above ridiculous "counts as," they should allow mine as well. Clearly they're magic goblins who use their awesome psychic might to emulate the wargear/abilities of Space Marines.

Dude, you do understand that counts as means that you give the skellies the stat line of the plaguebarers?
It's not that we'd be having some crazy system to bash together WFB and 40k. If I use a terminator instead of logan grimnar I still get to have this special rules and wargear options.

Why do people try and compare 2 very different systems?
If you want to walk down that lane, compare Ork's and Orc's, check stats between the 2 and tell me they are the same


However, on topic; I would allow it.

1: Same size, same wargear.
2: From a looks point of view its tons better and still keeps the nurgle vibe.
3: Death and disease, fits the nurgle theme quite well.

As allways though, TO's are as random as chocolate teapot with decisions, so you will need to check.

Would look pretty decent though, but i'd be more inclined to use zombies.

@thekabalpuphorsefishguy
I by no means was attempting not to "buy" 40k models. Last time I checked the entire Chaos Deamon line was actually for both WHF and 40K. Plaguebearers appear in both game systems. My entire army still would be 100% GW models.

@Eiluj The Farseer
I was actually toying around with the idea of some greenstuff guts and rotting flesh for those "not quite decomposed" skellies.

Thank you guy for your thoughts on the matter either way.

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:

Zoned wrote:"So they may not be similar, but in 40k, since there are no other skellies, it makes sense."

So it is ok to use dissimilar models to represent the same thing.

Since goblins don't exist in 40k either, their should be no confusion, right?

I'll prime mine white and wash them blue to make it obvious they are magic goblins with psychic powers.

same size model, same wargear (ish) ? No problem.

Entire army of counts as to avoid purchasing actual 40k models? Problem.

Entire army converted with lots of love and attention and modeled to represent the proper codex that best represents your army? No problem (aslong as its 50% GW minimum )

And as always. ASK THE TO XD

As long as the model is on the same base, with similar wargear and is approved by the T.O. then it doesn't matter. Ever since GW has left the tourney scene to independent's it's at the T.O.'s discretion how much of the army is made up of GW models if at all.

Have you seen Plague Bearers? They're ugly as sin IMO and I think its a fantastic idea to build a unit using a similar theme.

1. Keep the same base size.
2. Have similar wargear visible per WYSIWYG
3. PAINT THEM!!! <3

^Follow those 3 steps and your golden.

Zoned wrote:My opinion is that counting a Skeleton as a Plaguebearer is unreasonable.

In the game of WFB, it is T3 and has a 5+ armour save.

In the game of 40k, it is T5, has a 5+ invulnerable save, and FNP.

One model is a scarwny skeleton. One is a bloated daemon.

Are these at all similar?

Someone tell the Necrons.



I personally have always like the idea of zombies as plague bearers.

A plague bearer should just look like it is bearing some plague of nurgle, whether it is Nurgles rot, a zombie plague, or some wasting disease as mentioned above, you'll be fine with the skeletons.

I'd also be totally OK with it...especially since i have 84 "counts as" plague bearers made out of Crypt Ghouls. I've taken these guys all over, and they've always been allowed by managers and such. In fact, my army usually draws quite a bit of attention because its a lot more unique then some other pure Nurgle Daemon lists. If you like skelli models, i say go do what you like.

Good luck man,from one Nurgle player to another

Like everyone has said, it's up to the TO to decide. I personally think that proxy is a HUGE stretch, but not completely unfounded.

At our local tournaments I've used a batch of WHFB Savage Orcs to count as W40K Snakebite Boyz, and we even have a guy who has an Ultramarines army converted out of Smurfs toys, so just ask the TO.

Why dont you just use necrons as proxies and paint them green and icky? Thats 2 legal 40k armies for 1!

mjl7atlas wrote:Would it be allowable in the tournament scene to use tomb King skellies as 40k plaguebearers of nurgle? I really like the look of the skeletons and plaguebearers look like ass to me. So I am just looking for thoughts.

I would think of this from 3 angles:
"The rule of cool" did you give some TLC to your models to make them look more then a WFB skeleton? If yes, then a TO will probably be fine with it.

Is the rest of your army standard models, or in a way that the skeleton's will stand out and there is no way to confuse and opponent? Then likely yes a TO will be ok. However, has ALL of your army been converted, and units stand out: again likely ok.

Lastly: does it look like you just tried to save a buck: in a GT, your likely not getting in. At a local tournment: there will likely be some concerns. From an opponent perspective, if your army looks sharp, if I know what it is i'm good. But I have run into some pretty vague models that "counts as" some kind of entry in the Demon Codex over the years. The model you chose should reflect the state line of the model it represents. I could see Nurgle Skeletons IF you did some green stuff appropriate work