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That looks awesome I espeially like the Quick Loaders....

Treat....I always appreciate new stuff from you.

Very cool. The guns and supports really look the business. Total over kill for BS 2 imo. The torso is good, looks like body armour to me.

Each time you built a new member for Serpentes Obscvri I think they are only moonlighting as gangers. I reckon for their day job they are actually special ops mercenaries.

In the final pic is that a mold line or stiching up his inner left leg?

Peter

PDH wrote:Treat....I always appreciate new stuff from you. Very cool. The guns and supports really look the business. Total over kill for BS 2 imo. The torso is good, looks like body armour to me.

I'm pretty happy with his bulletproof vest too, I just didn't want him to go topless to a gangfight.

Oh yes it is total overkill, but the miniature is what I hope Versatilis will be like in game terms after some more games. I'm sure he will do his model justice soon, especially with our house rules regarding stat advances. Once he has BS4 and 4 shots per round while sprinting it will be multi kill not over kill.

Each time you built a new member for Serpentes Obscvri I think they are only moonlighting as gangers. I reckon for their day job they are actually special ops mercenaries.

You're making an interesting point here. On one hand I'll take that as a compliment towards the intended badass look of my gang, on the other hand I'll take it as a warning. When I get down to painting I'll need to make clear that they are well equipped and skillful, but not military.
That will be hard, because what I'm aiming at is easily misunderstood. While I'm loving the rag tag style of Necromunda, it's not the only aspect of the background for me and it's all about the contrast. The necromunda fluff has many layers, but some people seam to be unaware of it, or perhaps prefer to focus on their favorite concept. For me there must be a grey area between spyre tech and underhive notech and that's hive city. Hive city isn't exactly a holiday resort, but it's where the productive power of Necromunda lies. If you've got the right creds and connections you can get pretty much every kind of equipment. Alternatively you can just raid one of the factories next door, which produces a couple million lasguns for the IG every day.
So the special ops look will have to be counterparted by a worn off paintjob, so that the overall impression will be "top of the food chain underhive visitor with mediocre uphive equipment". I really hope I can pull that off...

In the final pic is that a mold line or stiching up his inner left leg?

Stitching, definitely stitching and if it wasn't it would be now. The mouldlines on the insides of his legs were a pain in the ass to file away, but I did it and decided, that this spot was not a mouldline, it's too deep and well defined.

that is incredible

OK, my brain was obviously conspiring to confuse me then I'm just glad I did'nt spend all night trying to find the part in my collection

wow nice stuff... great idea with those suspended bolters... may I ask where you got the sights on the guns from?

You may, but it's what monkeytroll and I were just talking about, they are from an Akademy kit of american machine guns.

As always, your conversions are amazing! I'm glad you give us a pre-paint shot, otherwise we'd all be scratching our heads trying to figure out how you did it

Keep it up!

Cheers,
Rawson

damn I must have skipped that post^^ thx

The bulletproof vest was good because I didn't spot it straight away. Yeah I understand your guys not wanting to go to a gang fight topless. My guys on the other hand are happy to get a scrap of redemptionist robe to cover their modesty.

Oh take it as a compliment your guys do indeed look badass. I'm interested in seeing where you go with the paint job . If I remember correctly you plan to keep the group coherent by using the same colour of trench coat on all of them. I think the easiest way to make them look non military is to paint their clothes in various colours. eg Versatilis wears khaki trousers with a black bullet proof vest. While Radius might be wearing denim jeans, with a red t shirt.

I really liked your explanation about the gang coming from the hive city rather than living in the underhive. I believe most people focus on the underhive as that is where the game is set. The type of gang violence seen in game would not be tolerated in the hive city and you would have enforcers (possibly even Arbites if you effect the Imperial Tithe) on your back. But visiting the underhive to get the goods and transporting the stuff back up is a great compromise, one that I could see the houses approving of. House Delaque would have security forces and perhaps even a odds and sods under the table group for sabotage and assassinations...its that where Serpentes Obscvri fit in? I think your next gang member should be armed with a lasgun from a recent factory raid .

I've never seen the underhive as notech just more a lack of tech, which is available for a price. (If I haven't already mentioned it the Necromunda Community Edition has some nice techy editions eg Suspensors and storm bolters come to mind.) I'm looking at my gang coming from the opposite direction to yours - coming up from the sump, clawing together food, scavenging corpses for guns and ammo and burning as many Redemptionists as possible on their way up. I also see my gang having great faith and love for the emperor, shame they were born in the wrong place with the wrong amount of heads.

"top of the food chain underhive visitor with mediocre uphive equipment"

I think you will find that particularly hard since your boys have very little in the way of mediocre equipment. It all looks very much high end gear to me. I think you should actually emphasize that point to be honest. They spend their creds on equipment so I hope it looks like they maintain it.

Peter

PDH wrote:Oh take it as a compliment your guys do indeed look badass. I'm interested in seeing where you go with the paint job . If I remember correctly you plan to keep the group coherent by using the same colour of trench coat on all of them. I think the easiest way to make them look non military is to paint their clothes in various colours. eg Versatilis wears khaki trousers with a black bullet proof vest. While Radius might be wearing denim jeans, with a red t shirt.

That's right, the coats will be more or less the same. For me the coat of a Delaque is his badge of "duty", there might be different colors from gang to gang, but not within a gang. Think of Bloods and Crips, they wouldn't wear different colors, maybe different shades of red and blue.
For Delaques the coats also serve the purpose of concealing them in the shadows of course, so bright colors are impossible. In the necromunda novel "Salvation" the coats are described as being unnaturally black, sucking in the light around them, that's not what I'm going for, like I mentioned earlier. I'm going for dark blue. I might try some different ways of painting it, so they don't look too uniform and the leader's coat will be white on the inside, to show his status.
The rest of their clothing will give me more trouble. I need a wide variety of muted and dark colors, to create individualism while keeping some overall unity, without making it too colorful, I hate that. I REEALLY need to finish the first juve to see it myself and show you all.

I really liked your explanation about the gang coming from the hive city rather than living in the underhive. I believe most people focus on the underhive as that is where the game is set. The type of gang violence seen in game would not be tolerated in the hive city and you would have enforcers (possibly even Arbites if you effect the Imperial Tithe) on your back. But visiting the underhive to get the goods and transporting the stuff back up is a great compromise, one that I could see the houses approving of. House Delaque would have security forces and perhaps even a odds and sods under the table group for sabotage and assassinations...its that where Serpentes Obscvri fit in?

Like all Delaque gangs the S.O. aren't big in producing any kind of goods, there business is (dis)information, sabotage and assassination, in short honorable delaque trades. In our campaign they are under contract of some person or group, that seems to be pretty far up the spyre, but noone knows who exactly yet.
It was their mission to create the right circumstances for the miners to start their little revolution. The next step was to create a balance between the miners and the mercenaries sent to the underhive to strike down the revolution, they did so by poisoning the booze depot of a drinking hole, where the mercenaries hang out, by destroying a water still of the miners and by generally shooting as many of both as possible.
The battle reports I write in form of status reports from my gang leader to his client and his constantly complaining that he doesn't get enough support, e.g. needle rifles. It's a running gag, I somehow mention it in every report.
So parts of their high end equipment comes from the spyre on one way or another and the other part is just the best you can buy/steal in hive city.

I think your next gang member should be armed with a lasgun from a recent factory raid .

I'll consider that, but the next member will be my leader, who is now the only model in the gang who hasn't got arms!

I've never seen the underhive as notech just more a lack of tech, which is available for a price. (If I haven't already mentioned it the Necromunda Community Edition has some nice techy editions eg Suspensors and storm bolters come to mind.)

I agree. Can you tell me where to have a look at that Community Edition? I wrote my own edition of the Necromunda rules for our games and they also contain loooooots of extra equipment, some from Anthony Case, some from me and a friend, but I'd be interested to compare it to other people's ideas and maybe steal some I didn't have.

I'm looking at my gang coming from the opposite direction to yours - coming up from the sump, clawing together food, scavenging corpses for guns and ammo and burning as many Redemptionists as possible on their way up. I also see my gang having great faith and love for the emperor, shame they were born in the wrong place with the wrong amount of heads.

That's what I meant, there are many stories worth telling in a hive. I would love to see my tech jerks get a beating from your mutated low lifes!
The idea of Scavvies being true to the imperial creed or at least the emperor is one that always fascinated me too. My mutants in Inquisitor were also true to the emperor, but people wouldn't let them. It's all about the layers, who wants Scavvies who are just nameless zombies without attitude, they need stories, desires and twisted ideals. It's like in Shrek "Ogres have layers!", plus scavvies smell like rotten onions.

"top of the food chain underhive visitor with mediocre uphive equipment"

I think you will find that particularly hard since your boys have very little in the way of mediocre equipment. It all looks very much high end gear to me. I think you should actually emphasize that point to be honest. They spend their creds on equipment so I hope it looks like they maintain it.

You're right with both points. "Mediocre" was perhaps a clumsy choice of words.
They spend all their creds on better equipment and they try to become tech heads, that's why they got all the equipment in the first place and of course they maintain there equipment as best they can, but they are still venturing to the underhive and it's not that simple there. So I have to find a look between looking like they raided a Tau armory or a Vindicare temple and looking like a pack of filthy scavengers.
High tech in a maintained, but well worn and slightly torn state, is the right thing imo.

amazing work, fantastic detail and realism!

Dude this times its your own fault... Stop converting and go paint that poor juve. He is starting to feel unloved and I'm beginning to doubt his existence

As much as I want to see that painted Juve I also see what you will do for your gang leader....oh dear what a conundrum!

The community edition is Anthony Case...http://anthony-case.me.uk/necromunda you can download it about half way down. I like the skill lists and the night fight scenario is brutal.

The Imperium is not a nice place and my poor scavvies are loyal I tell you. I've got this Inquisitor scenario in my mind using my Inquisitor Haxtus, my (planned) Monodominant and some of the mutants from my gang. Looks like I really will have to get a move on with putting the monodominant's warband together. I wouldn't mind doing a battle report....I'm rather fond of Molotovs.

I would love to see a mercenary raid on a vindicare temple.....lol.

Peter

Yeah that's the plan, I'm not going to convert anything before I finish that juve. Though last I preferred to work on my scenery and the central "tower" is now 13" wide and almost 24" tall.

Thanks for the CE rules, they are quite new right? Now wonder I wasn't aware of them. Good stuff had a quick look and many things are similar to my own changes. I'll try to compare every change to our current rulebook and will include any reasonable addition.

I like the new model, great job.

Wow I think you have outdone yourself on that one Baiyuan, the really dynamic pose adds a lot of character to the model. I want to steal ALL of those ideas, they are that good

The community edition came out about August last year. I think Anthony Case has kept it up to date and updated typos etc. I really like the skills set.

Peter

The main changes in my own edition were in skills and equipment, where I created a mix of commonly known house rules from the internet and our own ideas. So we have leader and heavy skills, and most other skills were changed too.
I'm more interested in the other changes, like reintroducing rules for catching fire and a clarification of many core rules.

Very cool Baiyuan , he looks like he should be in the matrix.

Had a look at those Heresey Miniatures last night, how have I never seen those before?, there are a couple of them which are crying out for conversions to be done. Look what you did, I am going to have to spend even more money now lol

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Had a look at those Heresey Miniatures last night, how have I never seen those before?, there are a couple of them which are crying out for conversions to be done. Look what you did, I am going to have to spend even more money now lol

Sorry mate, so many toys, so little money, I can feel your pain. Btw I just made an order of heresy stuff myself, can't wait for Crouchy and the other stuff I ordered.


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Just to keep it interesting and to prove that, even though I'm somehow too lazy to get painting atm, I'm not being lazy, here comes a gakky pic of what I did last night.
It's 24" long and 13" thick... don't be afraid, it's safe to look at the picture in your workplace, it's my centerpiece... that still sounds wrong... it's my mighty tower... not better... ok, it's just some scenery for our gaming table.

It's just a first idea of a central piece and it's just the beginning of what it will hopefully look like in the end. It's merely the skeleton. I'm planning to put a big pipe with a bunch of smaller ones around it, in the middle of the tower, like a huge pipeline, that goes up to the spire, or the other way around.
Before I finalize the construction and start adding any details, we want to playtest the core of our terrain. So far we've been playing on the scenery of a hobby club closeby, but it was made for 40k not necro.

I'm afraid it will take a year or two to finish the whole table including painting, but it will be a jawdropper once we've done it.

Anyway, pictures, NOW!

Do your thumbs hurt? My thumbs always are killing me after I put together a Pegasus Hobbies terrain piece. How many sets did it take to make that?

whoa, that is wicked, I agree, how many sets are we looking at there?

Yes, Pegasus terrain makes your thumbs hurt, but it was ok this time. It was much worse when my thumb was perforated from all the unsprueing and flash removing.

The number of sets? That's almost impossible to say, we bought a great lot of that stuff from a robogear sellout and there are many sprues from the robogear starter boxes, which have different numbers of sprues.

What I can tell you exactly is that we had 281 sprues, which makes 10399 pieces of hex builder. So assuming a set has about 5 sprues, that's 56,2 sets we bought.

This particularly big piece must have consumed about 15-20 sets.

In addition to all the hex builders, we also bought a ton of other terrain sets, 2 power plants, 2 biohazard plants, a lot of platformers, innumerous pipelines, channels and the works, so there will be more than Pegasus.
We didn't include COD terrain yet, because we want to process the rest first, but I'm definitely intending to use a bunch of that too.

Thats awesome Do you know of anywhere that stocks them reliably now?? Ive been looking for a while but had no luck finding any.

Baiyuan wrote:

Asylum_Inmate wrote:Had a look at those Heresey Miniatures last night, how have I never seen those before?, there are a couple of them which are crying out for conversions to be done. Look what you did, I am going to have to spend even more money now lol

Sorry mate, so many toys, so little money, I can feel your pain. Btw I just made an order of heresy stuff myself, can't wait for Crouchy and the other stuff I ordered.

Funnily enough when I saw Crouchy my first thought was "That would make an excellent conversion, I wonder why Baiyuan hasnt bought that one", so I cant wait to see what you do with him.

Oh, and I am totally blaming/crediting you with the fact that I have spent about £100.00 in the past month on figures and bits and finally started my own P&M Blog

Unfortunately the shop where I bought them was selling them off, otherwise I'd place another order myself. But Ido know for sure that you can get them fromm a couple of places, www.battlefield-berlin.de for example. (I'm recommending them so often, I should really get paid by them!)
The problem is that they charge 20€ for a big box normally, so at the regular price I would have paid more than 500€ for my hex builders.

Written on my mobile, which makes a mess of my spelling.

The first thing I asked myself was: "How the hell do you start painting a thing like that?"

Good luck with that. It looks great, and is a nice centerpiece for you gaming table.

The paintjob will have to be simple, I mean this is just one central piece and it's just the skeleton of it.
So far I'm planning to spray it in dark brown, then use a sponge to apply some different orange tones and then use the salt technique on top of the rest. Many more steps could follow, but I'm pretty sure I won't highlight every rivet and edge by brush. I'll certainly apply a wash or two.

WOW! That is a mental amount of tower. I want to play Lord of The Spyre scenario on that now!

Have you sprayed it silver or does it come in that colour?

As for play testing the terrain:

The games you are playing with normal 40k terrain: have you noticed people are reluctant to move models off the ground floor (except for heavys, snipers or a quick run up to get some loot)? If so how are you going to persuade them to go up that tower? While it is a beautiful centrepiece I do worry about its practicality. Sod that... I imagine its going to look amazing with the massive pipes and cables running down the middle.

One other thing you might want to consider with the tower is adding some mezzanine floors or platforms between levels. Eg if the gap between floors is 8" a model might need a handy place to stop at 4".

I think it is vitally important to have multi-levels in the deployment zones connecting to other buildings by walkways etc. That way you can start on various levels and move outwards, without wasting movement getting up there in the first place.

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As for the NCE rules the clarifications are nice and I've always used the on fire rule anyway. I like the subtle changes to the territories too: eg vents allow you to place models on the top floor of buildings only (to make it in line with tunnels that allow you to deploy at ground level only).

BTW you know how you are always* complaining your sister is making you carry heavy stuff up and down stairs. My sister bought me 26 Necromunda Bulkheads, my sister is ace!

Nice one

Peter

* slight exaggeration but it sounded better