What is wrong with Ultramarines?

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**Jon Touchdown**

Luna Dragon wrote:
Jon Touchdown wrote:I hate them because I play Angry Marines

Don't all tratior marines hate all loyalist marines?

Ask them that and I am sure you would meet an untimely demise via powerbat or powerfeet lol

Omegus wrote:Angry Marines are extremely loyal. Suggesting otherwise makes them very very angry.

This guy has the idea.

**sennacherib**

Ultramarines are the bestest and the bluest. We rule the galaxy with entire systems screaming in adulation to our greatness.

Seriously though i have played ultras since day one. I remember when rogue trader came out i was facinated by space mariens and ultras have always been number one in my eyes.

**dajobe**

sennacherib wrote:Ultramarines are the bestest and the bluest. We rule the galaxy with entire systems screaming in adulation to our greatness.

Seriously though i have played ultras since day one. I remember when rogue trader came out i was facinated by space mariens and ultras have always been number one in my eyes.

sweeet, youve been doing them longer than i...i started 03

**AlmightyWalrus**

sennacherib wrote:Ultramarines are the bestest and the bluest. We rule the galaxy with entire systems screaming in adulation to our greatness.

Meanwhile, us Templars just have systems screaming.

ABHOR THE WITCH!

**Nicholas**

Omegus wrote:Well, that "propaganda" makes sense if you only consider the Primogenitor chapters and their progeny. All successor chapters venerate their parent chapter, so given that more than half of the Astartes currently active in the Imperium were derived from the Ultramarines, it's only logical for them to venerate the rulers of Ultramar.

What was galling is that Matt Ward included all the non-Ultra chapters in the number of those who "aspire to be like the Ultramarines". I'm sure they all respect them to varying degrees, but somehow I doubt a chapter like Space Wolves or Black Templar want to be like the Ultras (although arguments could be made for Blood/Dark Angels).

I was under the impression that Blood Angels are not inspired to be ultramarines, didn't they only take Guillman's book to appease him. They are probably the most isolated chapter too, because of the thirst, and break alot of those rules.

**purplefood**

Nicholas wrote:
Omegus wrote:Well, that "propaganda" makes sense if you only consider the Primogenitor chapters and their progeny. All successor chapters venerate their parent chapter, so given that more than half of the Astartes currently active in the Imperium were derived from the Ultramarines, it's only logical for them to venerate the rulers of Ultramar.

What was galling is that Matt Ward included all the non-Ultra chapters in the number of those who "aspire to be like the Ultramarines". I'm sure they all respect them to varying degrees, but somehow I doubt a chapter like Space Wolves or Black Templar want to be like the Ultras (although arguments could be made for Blood/Dark Angels).

I was under the impression that Blood Angels are not inspired to be ultramarines, didn't they only take Guillman's book to appease him. They are probably the most isolated chapter too, because of the thirst, and break alot of those rules.

It does say in the codex that they want to be like the Ultramarines...
Many chaters are pretty damn isolated through one way or another...

**Nicholas**

purplefood wrote:
Nicholas wrote:
Omegus wrote:Well, that "propaganda" makes sense if you only consider the Primogenitor chapters and their progeny. All successor chapters venerate their parent chapter, so given that more than half of the Astartes currently active in the Imperium were derived from the Ultramarines, it's only logical for them to venerate the rulers of Ultramar.

What was galling is that Matt Ward included all the non-Ultra chapters in the number of those who "aspire to be like the Ultramarines". I'm sure they all respect them to varying degrees, but somehow I doubt a chapter like Space Wolves or Black Templar want to be like the Ultras (although arguments could be made for Blood/Dark Angels).

I was under the impression that Blood Angels are not inspired to be ultramarines, didn't they only take Guillman's book to appease him. They are probably the most isolated chapter too, because of the thirst, and break alot of those rules.

It does say in the codex that they want to be like the Ultramarines...
Many chaters are pretty damn isolated through one way or another...

BA codex? I don't remember that, nor do I approve. Thank god Imade my own fluff. That is the only thing I dislike about the Ultramarines.

**purplefood**

Nah the vanilla codex.
I could find the page # if you wanted me to...

**Nicholas**

purplefood wrote:Nah the vanilla codex.
I could find the page # if you wanted me to...

No I believe you

**Omegus**

Well, I was mostly being facetious, but the BA would want to be like the Ultras in the sense that the death of the Ultramarines' primarch didn't make the whole chapter into unstable psychopaths on the verge of total mental collapse. And the DA would want to be like the Ultras in the sense that half of them didn't go traitor and none of them have to wear dresses or be bossed around by Warp Jawas.

**forruner_mercy**

Omegus wrote:Well, I was mostly being facetious, but the BA would want to be like the Ultras in the sense that the death of the Ultramarines' primarch didn't make the whole chapter into unstable psychopaths on the verge of total mental collapse. And the DA would want to be like the Ultras in the sense that half of them didn't go traitor and none of them have to wear dresses or be bossed around by Warp Jawas.

Who are the Warp Jawas?

**Omegus**

**DeadlySquirrel**

Its because Clagar falcon punched an avatar of Khaine to death. That is the sole reason i dislike them. I mean, c'mon Matt. C'mon.

**Durza**

That must have been a pretty bad avatar.

**Omegus**

Most Avatars are pretty bad. Hell, that one should consider itself lucky it got punched to death, instead of being turned into a generic CCW by a Grey Knight.

**forruner_mercy**

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Its because Clagar falcon punched an avatar of Khaine to death. That is the sole reason i dislike them. I mean, c'mon Matt. C'mon.

Short of a god or the Necrons, just about anything can be killed/destroyed quite easily. And doesn't Calgar have some really powerful Powerfists?

**Void__Dragon**

EVERYONE beats up Avatars of Khaine.

I cannot recall a single fight they have won.

Fulgrim choked one out.

Calgar punched one in half.

Twelve Carnifexes ripped one to pieces.

A Keeper of Secrets made one look like a tool and possessed it.

Beating an Avatar of Khaine means nothing at all, they are the Worf of 40k.

**forruner_mercy**

Void__Dragon wrote:EVERYONE beats up Avatars of Khaine.

I cannot recall a single fight they have won.

Fulgrim choked one out.

Calgar punched one in half.

Twelve Carnifexes ripped one to pieces.

A Keeper of Secrets made one look like a tool and possessed it.

Beating an Avatar of Khaine means nothing at all, they are the Worf of 40k.

Are they at LEAST any good in DoW2 Retribution? Have not used those yet.

**Void__Dragon**

Hell I don't know, never played Dawn of War. 1 or 2.

**forruner_mercy**

Void__Dragon wrote:Hell I don't know, never played Dawn of War. 1 or 2.

From what I've seen, they are quite good. Unless you have power weapons, then pretty much any vehicle is destroyed instantly.

**thenoobbomb**

iproxtaco wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Lematres managed to control the Black Rage, he's fully under it's effects. Mephiston managed to suppress the Red Thirst. The two conditions are different.

Codex BA states that Mephiton was Death Company on Armaggadon.

**forruner_mercy**

thenoobbomb wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Lematres managed to control the Black Rage, he's fully under it's effects. Mephiston managed to suppress the Red Thirst. The two conditions are different.

Codex BA states that Mephiton was Death Company on Armaggadon.

Cool...I guess.

**Psienesis**

A Keeper of Secrets made one look like a tool and possessed it.

Man, with certain slang-word definitions applied in a particular place, this statement takes on new, strange and terrifying (but not entirely inappropriate...) meanings.

**Void__Dragon**

Well, the Keeper of Secrets was kind of molesting it before it awoke.

Then the Avatar of Khaine seized her throat with an "unbreakable grip."

Which the Keeper of Secrets proceeded to break.

Man, reading that, I dared to hope for a moment that the Avatar would do something cool.

**forruner_mercy**

Void__Dragon wrote:Well, the Keeper of Secrets was kind of molesting it before it awoke.

Then the Avatar of Khaine seized her throat with an "unbreakable grip."

Which the Keeper of Secrets proceeded to break.

Man, reading that, I dared to hope for a moment that the Avatar would do something cool.

Things that look awesome frequently are not. The Avatar of Khaine is one example.

**thenoobbomb**

forruner_mercy wrote:
thenoobbomb wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Lematres managed to control the Black Rage, he's fully under it's effects. Mephiston managed to suppress the Red Thirst. The two conditions are different.

Codex BA states that Mephiston was Death Company on Armaggadon.

Cool...I guess.

It IS cool! (I love you, Matt Ward!...oops.)
To further clear it up, read this.

Codex: Blood Angels page 47 wrote:
Mephiston was once brother Calistarius, a librarian of exceptional valour and strength of character. Yet the Black Rage cares not for the nobility of soul, nor the deeds of the flesh. While Calistarius fought before the Walls of Hades Hive, during the Second War of Armaggadon, the curse of Sanguinius stole upon him. Inducted into the Death Company, Calistrius took part in the final assault on the Ecclesorium building, and was one of the many crushed when the building collapsed in a shower of debris.

For seven days and seven nights Calistrius lay entombed, his fevered mind teetering on the edge of madness and his broken body on the verge of death. Yet Calistrius did not succomb. Trough sheer force of will he confrontated the uncontrollable rage that burned trough his mangled form. With supreme effort, Calistrius cast out the Black Rage and, in so doing, become something far more then he had been before. At midnight on the seventh day, he burst free from his rocky prison, reborn as Mephiston, Lord of Death.

Hope that clears up.

Now, back to the Ultramarines

**forruner_mercy**

thenoobbomb wrote:
forruner_mercy wrote:
thenoobbomb wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Lematres managed to control the Black Rage, he's fully under it's effects. Mephiston managed to suppress the Red Thirst. The two conditions are different.

Codex BA states that Mephiston was Death Company on Armaggadon.

Cool...I guess.

It IS cool! (I love you, Matt Ward!...oops.)
To further clear it up, read this.

Codex: Blood Angels page 47 wrote:
Mephiston was once brother Calistarius, a librarian of exceptional valour and strength of character. Yet the Black Rage cares not for the nobility of soul, nor the deeds of the flesh. While Calistarius fought before the Walls of Hades Hive, during the Second War of Armaggadon, the curse of Sanguinius stole upon him. Inducted into the Death Company, Calistrius took part in the final assault on the Ecclesorium building, and was one of the many crushed when the building collapsed in a shower of debris.

For seven days and seven nights Calistrius lay entombed, his fevered mind teetering on the edge of madness and his broken body on the verge of death. Yet Calistrius did not succomb. Trough sheer force of will he confrontated the uncontrollable rage that burned trough his mangled form. With supreme effort, Calistrius cast out the Black Rage and, in so doing, become something far more then he had been before. At midnight on the seventh day, he burst free from his rocky prison, reborn as Mephiston, Lord of Death.

Hope that clears up.

Now, back to the Ultramarines

Yes, that did clear things up. And as you said, back to the UM.

**happygolucky**

purplefood wrote:They don't get the Stormraven...

if you see the blood angles 2nd wave WD the gave you the datasheet for the stormraven to use for all chapters.

so yeah i guess that they can have everything...

**purplefood**

happygolucky wrote:
purplefood wrote:They don't get the Stormraven...

if you see the blood angles 2nd wave WD the gave you the datasheet for the stormraven to use for all chapters.

so yeah i guess that they can have everything...

I'm pretty sure there was something dodgy with that release...
Something that essentially meant you couldn't use it with the SM codex.

**happygolucky**

purplefood wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
purplefood wrote:They don't get the Stormraven...

if you see the blood angles 2nd wave WD the gave you the datasheet for the stormraven to use for all chapters.

so yeah i guess that they can have everything...

I'm pretty sure there was something dodgy with that release...
Something that essentially meant you couldn't use it with the SM codex.

well looking at it you can use it for marines, but dont feel left out if you think its just codex marines in the tyranid 2010 codex relese of white dwarf the gave datasheets for all marine armies to have legion of the dammed.

plus GW want to sell there new minis to as many people as possible if they didnt have those datasheets there that would be a futher backwards stage for GW yet again.