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They are annoying and self-righteous.

happygolucky wrote:

purplefood wrote:

happygolucky wrote:

purplefood wrote:They don't get the Stormraven...

if you see the blood angles 2nd wave WD the gave you the datasheet for the stormraven to use for all chapters.

so yeah i guess that they can have everything...

I'm pretty sure there was something dodgy with that release...
Something that essentially meant you couldn't use it with the SM codex.

well looking at it you can use it for marines, but dont feel left out if you think its just codex marines in the tyranid 2010 codex relese of white dwarf the gave datasheets for all marine armies to have legion of the dammed.

plus GW want to sell there new minis to as many people as possible if they didnt have those datasheets there that would be a futher backwards stage for GW yet again.

You seem to be under the impression i want to use Legion of the Damned or the Stormraven...
IIRC the Stormraven datasheet failed to actually mention that the stormraven could be used in any marine codex.

I hate them because their is no Beta Marines/ Omega Marines.
(side not they are the chapter that couldn't keep the legs... woops I mean doors to their genetic material closed).

Grey elder wrote:I hate them because their is no Beta Marines/ Omega Marines.
(side not they are the chapter that couldn't keep the legs... woops I mean doors to their genetic material closed).

Well it makes sense. Being the largest Legion, they had the most material to split into many Chapters.

Personally, I don't hate the Ultramarines. I hate what Matt Ward did to them (and by extension, every Marine who wasn't an Ultra...) in the fluff... but I've never had any negative feelings toward the army itself. Yeah, they are fairly bland as Space Marine armies go, not being vampires, or bikers, or vikings, or Templars, or perpetually penitant... being Romanesque isn't enough of a hook, especially when only two or three models really make use of the Roman visual motif.

But then again, they are supposed to be the baseline that you use when you create your own Chapter. The models look sharp, but not characterful, because they need to serve as Ultramarines, and Sons of Medusa, or Doom Eagles, or Howling Griffons, etc.

It would have been nice if, fluff-wise, they had been given a drawback like some of the other Chapters. I don't mean a genetic drawback like the Blood Angels or Space Wolves, I mean a social drawback like the Dark Angels... What if their drawback was their dogged, religious adherence to the Codex made them so inflexible that they lost battles that they might otherwise have won? The Codex is perfect, therefore anything not covered by the Codex does not exist, therefore failure in battle is not the result of the Codex, therefore failures will continue to occurr because the underlying cause of the problem isn't being addressed by the Ultramarines, etc... Yeah, they aren't in danger of turning into vampires or werewolves, but it at least gives them a flaw that makes them Human. Space Marines may be more than Human physically, but mentally, they are still like you and me. Their outlook may be different, but their emotions are not.

Anywho, that's my $0.02. Like I said: Don't hate 'em, find 'em kinda boring, want to do horrible things to Matt Ward.

PS: I have no problem with the color blue, or with Ultramarines being a pun on a particular shade of blue. I rather like blue. At least GW makes enough different shades of it paint-wise. Not like purple. Or pink.

squidhills wrote:Personally, I don't hate the Ultramarines. I hate what Matt Ward did to them (and by extension, every Marine who wasn't an Ultra...) in the fluff... but I've never had any negative feelings toward the army itself. Yeah, they are fairly bland as Space Marine armies go, not being vampires, or bikers, or vikings, or Templars, or perpetually penitant... being Romanesque isn't enough of a hook, especially when only two or three models really make use of the Roman visual motif.

But then again, they are supposed to be the baseline that you use when you create your own Chapter. The models look sharp, but not characterful, because they need to serve as Ultramarines, and Sons of Medusa, or Doom Eagles, or Howling Griffons, etc.

It would have been nice if, fluff-wise, they had been given a drawback like some of the other Chapters. I don't mean a genetic drawback like the Blood Angels or Space Wolves, I mean a social drawback like the Dark Angels... What if their drawback was their dogged, religious adherence to the Codex made them so inflexible that they lost battles that they might otherwise have won? The Codex is perfect, therefore anything not covered by the Codex does not exist, therefore failure in battle is not the result of the Codex, therefore failures will continue to occurr because the underlying cause of the problem isn't being addressed by the Ultramarines, etc... Yeah, they aren't in danger of turning into vampires or werewolves, but it at least gives them a flaw that makes them Human. Space Marines may be more than Human physically, but mentally, they are still like you and me. Their outlook may be different, but their emotions are not.

Anywho, that's my $0.02. Like I said: Don't hate 'em, find 'em kinda boring, want to do horrible things to Matt Ward.

PS: I have no problem with the color blue, or with Ultramarines being a pun on a particular shade of blue. I rather like blue. At least GW makes enough different shades of it paint-wise. Not like purple. Or pink.

Here is the colors scheme i recommend for the ultramarines replace the blue with black. And then paint their shoulder rims black.
Now that is a color scheme!
The ultramarines are so strict with the codex its no wonder why Uriel Ventris was sent on a pentince for doing something just because he had to save an entire freaking system.

Asherian Command wrote:

squidhills wrote:Personally, I don't hate the Ultramarines. I hate what Matt Ward did to them (and by extension, every Marine who wasn't an Ultra...) in the fluff... but I've never had any negative feelings toward the army itself. Yeah, they are fairly bland as Space Marine armies go, not being vampires, or bikers, or vikings, or Templars, or perpetually penitant... being Romanesque isn't enough of a hook, especially when only two or three models really make use of the Roman visual motif.

But then again, they are supposed to be the baseline that you use when you create your own Chapter. The models look sharp, but not characterful, because they need to serve as Ultramarines, and Sons of Medusa, or Doom Eagles, or Howling Griffons, etc.

It would have been nice if, fluff-wise, they had been given a drawback like some of the other Chapters. I don't mean a genetic drawback like the Blood Angels or Space Wolves, I mean a social drawback like the Dark Angels... What if their drawback was their dogged, religious adherence to the Codex made them so inflexible that they lost battles that they might otherwise have won? The Codex is perfect, therefore anything not covered by the Codex does not exist, therefore failure in battle is not the result of the Codex, therefore failures will continue to occurr because the underlying cause of the problem isn't being addressed by the Ultramarines, etc... Yeah, they aren't in danger of turning into vampires or werewolves, but it at least gives them a flaw that makes them Human. Space Marines may be more than Human physically, but mentally, they are still like you and me. Their outlook may be different, but their emotions are not.

Anywho, that's my $0.02. Like I said: Don't hate 'em, find 'em kinda boring, want to do horrible things to Matt Ward.

PS: I have no problem with the color blue, or with Ultramarines being a pun on a particular shade of blue. I rather like blue. At least GW makes enough different shades of it paint-wise. Not like purple. Or pink.

Here is the colors scheme i recommend for the ultramarines replace the blue with black. And then paint their sh oulder rims black.
Now that is a color scheme!
The ultramarines are so strict with the codex its no wonder why Uriel Ventris was sent on a pentince for doing something just because he had to save an entire freaking system.

But then they wouldn't be Ultramarines. They would be Random SM Chapter Number 572.

coolyo294 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

squidhills wrote:Personally, I don't hate the Ultramarines. I hate what Matt Ward did to them (and by extension, every Marine who wasn't an Ultra...) in the fluff... but I've never had any negative feelings toward the army itself. Yeah, they are fairly bland as Space Marine armies go, not being vampires, or bikers, or vikings, or Templars, or perpetually penitant... being Romanesque isn't enough of a hook, especially when only two or three models really make use of the Roman visual motif.

But then again, they are supposed to be the baseline that you use when you create your own Chapter. The models look sharp, but not characterful, because they need to serve as Ultramarines, and Sons of Medusa, or Doom Eagles, or Howling Griffons, etc.

It would have been nice if, fluff-wise, they had been given a drawback like some of the other Chapters. I don't mean a genetic drawback like the Blood Angels or Space Wolves, I mean a social drawback like the Dark Angels... What if their drawback was their dogged, religious adherence to the Codex made them so inflexible that they lost battles that they might otherwise have won? The Codex is perfect, therefore anything not covered by the Codex does not exist, therefore failure in battle is not the result of the Codex, therefore failures will continue to occurr because the underlying cause of the problem isn't being addressed by the Ultramarines, etc... Yeah, they aren't in danger of turning into vampires or werewolves, but it at least gives them a flaw that makes them Human. Space Marines may be more than Human physically, but mentally, they are still like you and me. Their outlook may be different, but their emotions are not.

Anywho, that's my $0.02. Like I said: Don't hate 'em, find 'em kinda boring, want to do horrible things to Matt Ward.

PS: I have no problem with the color blue, or with Ultramarines being a pun on a particular shade of blue. I rather like blue. At least GW makes enough different shades of it paint-wise. Not like purple. Or pink.

Here is the colors scheme i recommend for the ultramarines replace the blue with black. And then paint their sh oulder rims black.
Now that is a color scheme!
The ultramarines are so strict with the codex its no wonder why Uriel Ventris was sent on a pentince for doing something just because he had to save an entire freaking system.

But then they wouldn't be Ultramarines. They would be Random SM Chapter Number 572.

Okay what chapter/legion has Black And Gold colors?
I am asking you if you know any chapter that does, and there is one that i am thinking of that has a color in its name.

They're French.

Asherian Command wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

squidhills wrote:Personally, I don't hate the Ultramarines. I hate what Matt Ward did to them (and by extension, every Marine who wasn't an Ultra...) in the fluff... but I've never had any negative feelings toward the army itself. Yeah, they are fairly bland as Space Marine armies go, not being vampires, or bikers, or vikings, or Templars, or perpetually penitant... being Romanesque isn't enough of a hook, especially when only two or three models really make use of the Roman visual motif.

But then again, they are supposed to be the baseline that you use when you create your own Chapter. The models look sharp, but not characterful, because they need to serve as Ultramarines, and Sons of Medusa, or Doom Eagles, or Howling Griffons, etc.

It would have been nice if, fluff-wise, they had been given a drawback like some of the other Chapters. I don't mean a genetic drawback like the Blood Angels or Space Wolves, I mean a social drawback like the Dark Angels... What if their drawback was their dogged, religious adherence to the Codex made them so inflexible that they lost battles that they might otherwise have won? The Codex is perfect, therefore anything not covered by the Codex does not exist, therefore failure in battle is not the result of the Codex, therefore failures will continue to occurr because the underlying cause of the problem isn't being addressed by the Ultramarines, etc... Yeah, they aren't in danger of turning into vampires or werewolves, but it at least gives them a flaw that makes them Human. Space Marines may be more than Human physically, but mentally, they are still like you and me. Their outlook may be different, but their emotions are not.

Anywho, that's my $0.02. Like I said: Don't hate 'em, find 'em kinda boring, want to do horrible things to Matt Ward.

PS: I have no problem with the color blue, or with Ultramarines being a pun on a particular shade of blue. I rather like blue. At least GW makes enough different shades of it paint-wise. Not like purple. Or pink.

Here is the colors scheme i recommend for the ultramarines replace the blue with black. And then paint their sh oulder rims black.
Now that is a color scheme!
The ultramarines are so strict with the codex its no wonder why Uriel Ventris was sent on a pentince for doing something just because he had to save an entire freaking system.

But then they wouldn't be Ultramarines. They would be Random SM Chapter Number 572.

Okay what chapter/legion has Black And Gold colors?

Black Legion. And you seem to be forgetting that not all Ultramarines have gold shoulder pads.

Asherian Command wrote:Okay what chapter/legion has Black And Gold colors?
I am asking you if you know any chapter that does, and there is one that i am thinking of that has a color in its name.

I believe I saw some advertisement for some GW product a year or two ago and there was some marines in a black & gold color scheme; they were named the Hammers of Dorn or something similar, so I was assuming they're a successor chapter of the Imperial Fists. The art looked awesome though.

As far as Black-Trimmed Ultras, I've always thought of doing that with mine, making them 5th company. Mine are currently 3rd company (red trim) and the reason I considered the change was a player in our local group had 3rd company as well, so I thought it would be a pretty seamless transition to make mine different.

Wow, this thread has been going for two months now... it just won't die!

It wouldn't be too far from canon for Black Consuls to have gold pads. They're a UM successor chapter, and I believe they used to have the same trim colours as the Ultras, so since Ultras have gone gold, it would make sense that the Consuls have too.