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It could be my not-so-clear talk...
But the Ultramarines only guard the sector of the empire in wich they live.

Nothing. (Going to write more later!)

Im not a fan but I generally choose to ignore the ultramarines, despite the fact that their primarch was a beauracratic contol freak who reminds me of a health and safety inspector. *ahem*

Nothing's wrong with Ultramarines really, aside from their general incompetence at any rate (but that's something someone else probably already has argued) which is really part of being an Astartes to begin with. That aside, the main problem isn't with papa smurf's little smurflings, but rather, with GW constantly pushing them far too much, to the detriment of all other armies, including non-marine ones.

I agree, they are in every game the first one ( except DoW ). And they are always using Ultramarine models when presenting Space Marines. They could use some other chapter for a change, like Salamanders for example...

I don't like Ultrasmurks and never have but what really annoyed me was the Pre to Post Heresy time line.
-They are double the size of everyother legion yet don't produce even double the yield of planets (The Luna wolves had more planets to their name!)
-During this time their Primarch decides to write a book that will break up the legions adn uses the heresy as a reason to why he wasn;t at the battle for Terra, the only ones who didn't really explain their abscence well were the SW and DA but oh well
--After the Heresy Gulliman justs walks inot Terra with this book he took 7 years writing instead of defending his father
-He lords it over the surviving Primarchs, and forces it dow n their throats
-He gets slashed and put in stasis yet his followers won't except he ain't healing in that magic bubble

And even now they are very bland, and souless.
Their Chapter <MAster is presented as the best of the best yet we know he isn't (Battle of Macragge)
Sircarus should never of made captain. (why i have such reserved hated for the 2nd Company) I don't actually mind the majority
The Ultramarines movie,
It was a good movie appart from the fact that there was still room for the Ultramarines to lord over the survivors of a battle-company who gave their lives fightning chaos.

And another thing,
Why are the Black Legion always depicted as fighting the ultraboys yet they are on the other side of the galaxy.

And Chaplain Cassius,
In his entry it says he calls Calgar 'young one' yet he is only 400 years old, just looking at Bjorn, Dante, Lysander to name a few much older.>

^ I agree.. stupid smurfs..

^^Really? You do understand why he made the Codex right? And what is the problem with them not having a lot of planets? The U.S. could have easily taken over some countries during WWII, but we did not. Are you going to say the same thing about that?

forruner_mercy wrote:^^Really? You do understand why he made the Codex right? And what is the problem with them not having a lot of planets? The U.S. could have easily taken over some countries during WWII, but we did not. Are you going to say the same thing about that?

I think what he was saying is that they had even less reason to be so high-and-mighty during the Great Crusade because their rate of compliance (which was all that was important back then, that's why the Emperor got mad at the Word Bearers) was waaay lower than it should have been for a Legion of their size.

I have always liked the Ultramarines for their loyalty and steadfastness, in addition to the Romano-Greek theme.

I like the Ultras even more after reading 'Age of Darkness'.

^^Ah! That makes much more sense. Thanks for that.

forruner_mercy wrote:^^Really? You do understand why he made the Codex right? And what is the problem with them not having a lot of planets? The U.S. could have easily taken over some countries during WWII, but we did not. Are you going to say the same thing about that?

Okay, He did start writing the codex before heresy broke out
The codex is good but for such an important document you NEED colaberation between the remaining preimarchs but it his singular view, it also restricted the available amount of marines to the defence of the imperium, if he was to come out of statis and survive (0% chance), he would relise that part was a msitake.

^Gives a very good point about the statis.

forruner_mercy wrote:^Gives a very good point about the statis.

No one apart from poor deluded pilgrims believe he is coming back...
Even his own Sons don't think he will...
I remember one user on DAKKA had an entertaining theory concerning it however...

I hate the Ultramarines most of all marines. However I'm not a big fan of marines in general, so because of that I don't like ulta the most because they're the most space marinie. Funny enough, I do however like rarely heard of chapters that have minor divergences. A couple posts above the guy talks about how ultras get all this praise and they don't actually do anything. This is another reason not to like them, but it's not on the top of my list. My personal main hate towards them is the fact that they are everywhere. Most GW models are painted like them. They have no unique flavor to their army lists anymore(I like unique stuff) They're the poster boys. I liked 4th ed dex mostly cuz they were unique. They could have honor guard everywhere! That was so cool! Now I agree that they are needed. They have to be what everything else is compared to. I understand that, and I think they should exist. My hate for them is because that though. Too much ultra, not enough everything else (non-codex doesn't count). I guess I'd just like to see more non-codex chapters in the spot light... except imp fists. They can go screw themselves. Iron Within, Iron Without

there blue they took up all the space in the codex fluff and there blue AND THERE BLUE WHY ARE THEY BLUE

People are tired of seeing the letter U

purplefood wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:^Gives a very good point about the statis.

No one apart from poor deluded pilgrims believe he is coming back...
Even his own Sons don't think he will...
I remember one user on DAKKA had an entertaining theory concerning it however...

It's the same thing like we believe in Star Child... Sometimes you only have faith...

I like the ultra marines and have considered building an army of them of several occasions. I liked the character Uriel and thought his ideas were very three dimensional. Their idea of living by the codex astartes is a good one, as it reflects there wants to defend humanity as a whole.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:^^Really? You do understand why he made the Codex right? And what is the problem with them not having a lot of planets? The U.S. could have easily taken over some countries during WWII, but we did not. Are you going to say the same thing about that?

Okay, He did start writing the codex before heresy broke out
The codex is good but for such an important document you NEED colaberation between the remaining preimarchs but it his singular view, it also restricted the available amount of marines to the defence of the imperium, if he was to come out of statis and survive (0% chance), he would relise that part was a msitake.

Most primarchs simply conquered and subjugated. Guilliman helped rebuild planets he conquered. Read the Omnibus. 2nd story, the one against the nids. Uriel sees Guilliman's distinct touch with how the fortifications and city were laid out despite how sullied they had become. He saw the passion that his presence left in the mural.

Many of the community enjoy twisting certain aspects of fluff far out of proportion or making caricatures of armies and then forgetting that they're caricatures. Many of the community forget that people enjoy certain armies regardless of age or intelligence, that people have the right to enjoy their hobby how they chose, that people have the right to color their Space Marines what ever color they want and that behind an army is a person.

Since I know nobody will bother to read this post anyway: Haters gonna hate.

I'm not saying he didn't do anyrhing right
But there are many flaws that the lovers can't see and they need to be highlighted

Ahzek Ahriman wrote:
The good is knowledge, the only evil is ignorance.

I like how people don't like them 'cause they are blue. I mean, come on guys...

Yeah really, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike them, pick one of those. Although the Ultramarines totally stole their color scheme from the Dire Avengers, thieving sons of b*tches...

Little kids + Ultamarines = you do the math.


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The Ultramarines are hated because far too many fat elitist nerds take this game far too seriously.

The nerds like to think that only 12 year old boys play them, and they are the best because they play pervy Dark Eldar or Chaos which is awesome because it reminds them of some of the dog gak death metal bands they listen to.

Im a 31 year old man, I play the Ultramarines because they look mint. Blue white and gold looks awesome, Roman fluff is cool too.

But mostly I play them so I can argue with fat dorks that take a bizarre umbrage with them.

awb wrote:Little kids + Ultamarines = you do the math.


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What math is that, exactly?

The kind that ends up with all Ultramarines are stupid because some little kids like them?

Hint: That doesn't add up.

I dislike them because they are boring.

SM are hard enough to relate to already, making them perfect just makes it worse. Having a flaw makes a chapter realistic. All the comments about them being the best don't help. There are hundreds of codex chapters but they aren't so annoying because they don't keep claiming how amazing they are. Following the codex doesn't make UM special most chapters do it. They get so much credit when many other chapters face much worse. The BA have to fight as well as facing their mutations taking control but they are still seen as inferior.

When you read a book you want the character to struggle. Whatever happens to ultramarines they are going to be ok because they are ultramarines. They have to much plot armour for the story to work. Whenever fluff about the UM is release you know they will win. They may loose a few marines but they will be back to full strength just in time for the next crusade.

4m2a i agree, the Ultras are to... Ultra-clean. The BA have their flaw, the DA their big secret etc.

mattyrm wrote:The Ultramarines are hated because far too many fat elitist nerds take this game far too seriously.

The nerds like to think that only 12 year old boys play them, and they are the best because they play pervy Dark Eldar or Chaos which is awesome because it reminds them of some of the dog gak death metal bands they listen to.

Im a 31 year old man, I play the Ultramarines because they look mint. Blue white and gold looks awesome, Roman fluff is cool too.

But mostly I play them so I can argue with fat dorks that take a bizarre umbrage with them.

Wait, you're calling other people nerds? I think it's a given that as we all play 40k, and are arguing about whether a bunch of plastic men in blue are good or not on a wargaming forum, we can safely assume we are all nerds here.

The Ultramarines have good paint schemes, it's true, and they have some neat Roman infuences (the occasional helmet-crest does not make it Roman fluff), but their Chapter fluff and flavor is gak.

Assuming everyone who plays DE or Chaos are pervy or for death metal fans is both ignorant and, TBH, elitist.

I wonder (percentage wise) who has the most traitor successor chapters (excluding 21st)
Lets see
BA- Lamentors, but they changed back
DA- None
SW- None
RG, IF, Salamanders, IH, and WS - None jump to mind
Ultramarines- Quite a few

Less tainted geneseed, I think not