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Woah, I actually read codex:GKs, and was pretty alarmed by some of the ridiculousness of what they came up with.

I take back my disbelief about Draigo: the whole codex is riddled with "{1-100} GKs vs a bajillion demons, and somehow the GKs come out on top 'cause they're the bestest" A bit disappointing, even as far as 40k hyperboles go :/

I never saw 2nd edition GKs, but the 3rd edition Chapter Approved ones were very appropriate (very rare, good, but overpriced except against demons), and the Demon Hunters codex was a bit limited, but not so stupidly over the top...

The OTT-ness of the codex is because it's new as a stand-alone army though. They want to show why they should be used by themselves and awesome battles were what they though was the best way to do it. Having Ward write the fluff didn't help much either...

Questionable fluff is always going to be the outcome of an army whose concept, distilled to its essence, is, "Space Marines, but awesomer."

Well no.

It's going to be the outcome of an army whose concept, distilled to its essence, is "Paladin Marines But Who Do Bad Things Too".

You see it in all kinds of cases where the "Ultimate Good Guy" motif is taken and twisted to suit a 'dark' setting.

Arthas from Warcraft is a perfect example.

Kanluwen wrote:Well no.

It's going to be the outcome of an army whose concept, distilled to its essence, is "Paladin Marines But Who Do Bad Things Too".

Actually, I'm pretty fond of BT fluff.

spiralingcadaver wrote:I never saw 2nd edition GKs, but the 3rd edition Chapter Approved ones were very appropriate (very rare, good, but overpriced except against demons), and the Demon Hunters codex was a bit limited, but not so stupidly over the top...

While it may be fluffy to have them overpriced except against daemons, it's not a good example of game balance. Remember that most people don't play daemons; it's not very fun to play an army that's supposed to be bad against the majority of other armies.

To have a balanced Grey Knights codex, it should have a slight advantage against Daemons while being average against pretty much ever other codex. That way, you have the least number of unbalanced matchups, and the one that is unbalanced is only slightly unbalanced to be more fluffy. Unfortunately, judging from the reactions, Ward forgot the "slight advantage" part...

If they're going to get an advantage, why not give an advantage to the Emperor's Children over Eldar armies?

I think that Draigo is a Daemon Prince of Malal.

Wouldn't that make Malcador Malal, since he set up the GKs?

Durza wrote:Wouldn't that make Malcador Malal, since he set up the GKs?

Making an entire chapter use psychic powers in order to combat daemons makes Malcador Malal?










Holy feth, you're right!

Add this line to the bottom of Draigo's fluff piece, and move on.

"A blasted rock circles a dying star. On it stands a lonely sentinel clutching a broken sword. Behind his silver helm wild eyes stare sightlessly into the heavens. In his mind Grand Master Draigo fights over and over an enemy he can never conquer. In his ears echoes the endless laughter of thirsting gods. "

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:Add this line to the bottom of Draigo's fluff piece, and move on.

"A blasted rock circles a dying star. On it stands a lonely sentinel clutching a broken sword. Behind his silver helm wild eyes stare sightlessly into the heavens. In his mind Grand Master Draigo fights over and over an enemy he can never conquer. In his ears echoes the endless laughter of thirsting gods. "

OR we could lynch Matt Ward

im2randomghgh wrote:

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:Add this line to the bottom of Draigo's fluff piece, and move on.

"A blasted rock circles a dying star. On it stands a lonely sentinel clutching a broken sword. Behind his silver helm wild eyes stare sightlessly into the heavens. In his mind Grand Master Draigo fights over and over an enemy he can never conquer. In his ears echoes the endless laughter of thirsting gods. "

OR we could lynch Matt Ward

Why not both?
We can fix the mary sueness AND deal with a hack writer.

It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

This is true.
We still have to be sure though...now where's that rope...

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

This is also true.
Upgrade rope to chains. With spikes.

You all need to calm down.

And Ward's crunch is definitely not as unbalanced as the Space Wolves codex.

Void__Dragon wrote:You all need to calm down.

And Ward's crunch is definitely not as unbalanced as the Space Wolves codex.

How could that be? It's not as if the SW codex had a 25pt unit that has EW, FNP, rerolls to hit against MC and thing with T5+, doesn't give KP and can take any weapon. That would be ridiculous...

I am certain that if the warp truly exists, all of our combined nerd-rage and wrathful hate can manifest into a daemon who will come into being specifically to crush Ward's skull.


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This Daemon will have a neckbeard.

Henners91 wrote:I am certain that if the warp truly exists, all of our combined nerd-rage and wrathful hate can manifest into a daemon who will come into being specifically to crush Ward's skull.

That Chaos gods are usually in the habit of rewarding those who make them powerful.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

I've never understood the rage about librarian dreadnoughts either, what's so damn bad about that? Seriously?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

I've never understood the rage about librarian dreadnoughts either, what's so damn bad about that? Seriously?

Its a dreadnaught that has a force weapon and has a 12" jump move, basically giving him an 18" killzone.


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Henners91 wrote:I am certain that if the warp truly exists, all of our combined nerd-rage and wrathful hate can manifest into a daemon who will come into being specifically to crush Ward's skull.


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This Daemon will have a neckbeard.

I think his name is Malal.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

I've never understood the rage about librarian dreadnoughts either, what's so damn bad about that? Seriously?

Its a dreadnaught that has a force weapon and has a 12" jump move, basically giving him an 18" killzone.

So? Normal Dreadnoughts have S10 weapons and can Drop Pod. You can dodge a Librarian Dreadnought, but a pod is going to drop roughly where the guy who owns it wants it to go.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

I've never understood the rage about librarian dreadnoughts either, what's so damn bad about that? Seriously?

Its a dreadnaught that has a force weapon and has a 12" jump move, basically giving him an 18" killzone.

So? Normal Dreadnoughts have S10 weapons and can Drop Pod. You can dodge a Librarian Dreadnought, but a pod is going to drop roughly where the guy who owns it wants it to go.

Yes, but there a chance to run away from/destroy it. He can't charge on the turn he arrives, so you can either
a) Get away from him
b)Shoot the crap outta with meltas, lascannons etc.

Can you drop-pod a Libbynought?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

I've never understood the rage about librarian dreadnoughts either, what's so damn bad about that? Seriously?

Its a dreadnaught that has a force weapon and has a 12" jump move, basically giving him an 18" killzone.

So? Normal Dreadnoughts have S10 weapons and can Drop Pod. You can dodge a Librarian Dreadnought, but a pod is going to drop roughly where the guy who owns it wants it to go.

Yes, but there a chance to run away from/destroy it. He can't charge on the turn he arrives, so you can either
a) Get away from him
b)Shoot the crap outta with meltas, lascannons etc.

Same applies to a Librarian Furioso. It can't charge you first turn unless you screw up, so you have time to shoot it.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Durza wrote:It'll take a lot more than just that to fix the Mary Sueness. And Ward writes good rules, he should just have someone to edit them so they're understandable, not be allowed to name anything, and NEVER be let anywhere near the fluff.

Uhmmm...he made FLYING LIBRARIAN DREADNOUGHTS.

He's not allowed to touch rules either. He's a game-breaker.

Especially WHFB

I've never understood the rage about librarian dreadnoughts either, what's so damn bad about that? Seriously?

Its a dreadnaught that has a force weapon and has a 12" jump move, basically giving him an 18" killzone.

So? Normal Dreadnoughts have S10 weapons and can Drop Pod. You can dodge a Librarian Dreadnought, but a pod is going to drop roughly where the guy who owns it wants it to go.

Yes, but there a chance to run away from/destroy it. He can't charge on the turn he arrives, so you can either
a) Get away from him
b)Shoot the crap outta with meltas, lascannons etc.

Same applies to a Librarian Furioso. It can't charge you first turn unless you screw up, so you have time to shoot it.

And he could hide behind walls...out of curiosity, how much is a Librarian Dread? Is it more than a normal dread + Pod?

What exactly is the explanation for it being able to fly?

Durza wrote:What exactly is the explanation for it being able to fly?

Psychic powers, I think.