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The kind that doesn't have print lines and same quality as cast miniatures? Cause I saw those for ~1500pln last I checked, the cheap ones were basically good for printing a polymer soap box.
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If you live in Australia, a decent quality 3D printer costs as much as 5-6 Primaris Lieutenants or one-and-a-half of a Repulsor Executioner, or a single Space Marine Combat Patrol.
That might explain why, at two separate points, two of my friends each owned two 3D printers.

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Devon, UK

Cronch wrote:
The kind that doesn't have print lines and same quality as cast miniatures? Cause I saw those for ~1500pln last I checked, the cheap ones were basically good for printing a polymer soap box.


When did you last check? 2012?

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Cronch wrote:
The kind that doesn't have print lines and same quality as cast miniatures? Cause I saw those for ~1500pln last I checked, the cheap ones were basically good for printing a polymer soap box.


The same GW uses, by the look of it and going from my own experience.

This is a FW model obviously cast from a 3d printed model:

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This are minis I just printed yesterday, at the same size:

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SoCal

Cronch wrote:
The kind that doesn't have print lines and same quality as cast miniatures? Cause I saw those for ~1500pln last I checked, the cheap ones were basically good for printing a polymer soap box.


What?

You’re a generation or two behind on what 3D printers are capable of. Currently, the affordable resin printers produce minis that can pass for resin casts once primed.



   
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Germany

Yeah it's quite hard to say 3D printers suck in an era where FW uses them to make the masters for their models.

And doesn't even properly clean them.

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Tallarook, Victoria, Australia

In Australia, on Amazon you can get an Nova3D Elfin3 for $209 shipped or a Voxelab Proxima $199 shipped

You can also grab 1L of resin for $40, which is cheaper than any of the 1kg matte SLA I could find

If you're upset when someone holds you to your own self stated standards it might just be that they are indeed selective double standards. 
   
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 GoldenHorde wrote:
In Australia, on Amazon you can get an Nova3D Elfin3 for $209 shipped or a Voxelab Proxima $199 shipped

You can also grab 1L of resin for $40, which is cheaper than any of the 1kg matte SLA I could find


To compare, a Monolith is 280$ and a Battlewagon 165$.

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Tallarook, Victoria, Australia

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
In Australia, on Amazon you can get an Nova3D Elfin3 for $209 shipped or a Voxelab Proxima $199 shipped

You can also grab 1L of resin for $40, which is cheaper than any of the 1kg matte SLA I could find


To compare, a Monolith is 280$ and a Battlewagon 165$.


Not to mention GW's idiotic "Sold out online" on core units and F... the consumer FOMO tactics

Your name might be Lars Ulrich but even then GW cannot sue or legally harass its way out of the freedom that 3d printing is offering consumers.

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If you're upset when someone holds you to your own self stated standards it might just be that they are indeed selective double standards. 
   
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Instead of hiring people to enforce this or that the easiest way would be simply to lower prices. The reason why there is such a demand for alternative models or china/ russian knock offs is because GW prices are rediculous.
   
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angel of death 007 wrote:
Instead of hiring people to enforce this or that the easiest way would be simply to lower prices. The reason why there is such a demand for alternative models or china/ russian knock offs is because GW prices are rediculous.


Given how their profits are record high, it seems that's not exactly impacting them.

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Wouldn't it be funny if they contacted Talkback Thames to C&D their Douglas Renholm character since he's an obvious rip-off of James Workshop?

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angel of death 007 wrote:
Instead of hiring people to enforce this or that the easiest way would be simply to lower prices. The reason why there is such a demand for alternative models or china/ russian knock offs is because GW prices are rediculous.


Nah, rather than "buy a 3d printer it costs the same as 2 knight castellans" it'd be "buy a 3d printer it costs the same as 3 knight castellans". Or "buy a 3d printer it's cheaper than buying 1 army" becomes "buy a 3d printer, it's cheaper to have multiple armies".

Financially it makes no difference and it wouldn't be smart for gw to drop prices too heavily.
   
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 Azreal13 wrote:
Cronch wrote:
The kind that doesn't have print lines and same quality as cast miniatures? Cause I saw those for ~1500pln last I checked, the cheap ones were basically good for printing a polymer soap box.


When did you last check? 2012?

Last year? We come down to the same issue- I don't want 3d printing as a hobby. I don't care about the details of 3d printing. I can go buy an ink printer right now, and even the jankiest, cheapest trash will print just fine, it might break in a year, but it will generally work. To buy a 3d printer you need to check all the details, you need to know what details to check in the first place. To buy a good 3d printer you either need to know someone with one already or be into 3d printers
Currently, the affordable resin printers produce minis that can pass for resin casts once primed.
What is affordable. To me, $200 is the max that I would count as affordable, anything over that is "serious" purchase I need a real incentive to spend. As someone who does not collect multiple 2k armies, I really don't have one.
   
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UK

 GoldenHorde wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
In Australia, on Amazon you can get an Nova3D Elfin3 for $209 shipped or a Voxelab Proxima $199 shipped

You can also grab 1L of resin for $40, which is cheaper than any of the 1kg matte SLA I could find


To compare, a Monolith is 280$ and a Battlewagon 165$.


Not to mention GW's idiotic "Sold out online" on core units and F... the consumer FOMO tactics


Well its not "idiotic" the whole "sold out online" issue is a rest of GW not having the production capacity to keep up with consumer demand. Lets not forget at the end of 2019 GW were building a new factory and setting up a massive new international warehouse in the UK to better cope with production shortfalls. Letting them produce more stock and store up more for bigger shipments overseas. Not to mention their issues with the local power grid which means at least one factory the have can't work at full capacity.

Then in 2020 their sales rate pretty much doubled; at the same time they had to impose covid work-safe measures. So staff now have one-way systems in warehouses and factories; and social distancing. So whatever huge leap their production and storing capacity took; that was eaten into heavily by customers wanting more and productoin being cut short. Not to mention a 2 month shutdown of their factory system (during which time almost the entire 3rd party stock was sold).


Oh and even now there's a shipping container shortage and a nightmare of global and national delivery systems; a shortage of lorry drivers and all. Basically we went from a highstreet and online to almost fully online consumers in a year. These are huge changes, which when compounded with covid mean that there's huge adaptation issues. GW are by far and away not alone; a lot of other firms and markets have had the same impacts. I've known several other model makers shut down because they needed time to catch up with a backlog of orders. Some have managed to expand; others have folded because they couldn't keep up with increasing shortages of raw materials and other issues.

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a shortage of lorry drivers

Allow me to cackle madly at this self-inflicted shot in the foot for british industry.
   
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UK

Cronch wrote:
a shortage of lorry drivers

Allow me to cackle madly at this self-inflicted shot in the foot for british industry.


Whilst I believe the UK is faring pretty bad on this one; I believe its not just the UK, but a shortage being experienced in multiple other countries.

But yeah the UK didn't do itself many favours tearing up our rail network decades ago nor issues surrounding the more recent "B" word

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Austria

No, this shortage is exclusive to the UK, as you have to deal with several different ones at the same time were the rest of the world only gets 1-2.

Like there is a general low on heavy goods vehicle drivers for years now, but most other countries are able to compensate by foreign workes
UK got the unique situation that people from an industry were you have a chronic shortage of workers, moved out because of Corona Lockdowns, and are now not allowed to move back in because of Brexit

Others in the world have problems, but no one faces the problems that are present in the UK at the moment (eben Northern Ireland is different because of the protocol in place)


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Cronch wrote:
What is affordable. To me, $200 is the max that I would count as affordable, anything over that is "serious" purchase I need a real incentive to spend. As someone who does not collect multiple 2k armies, I really don't have one.

Well with 200 you don't even get the cheapest 40k army without rules

Starting 40k now would be already way over your price point were a printer is on the edge and would be already worth it for a single army

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 kodos wrote:

Cronch wrote:
What is affordable. To me, $200 is the max that I would count as affordable, anything over that is "serious" purchase I need a real incentive to spend. As someone who does not collect multiple 2k armies, I really don't have one.

Well with 200 you don't even get the cheapest 40k army without rules

Starting 40k now would be already way over your price point were a printer is on the edge and would be already worth it for a single army


Yeah, but you don't buy your whole army in 1 spend normally, you can space it out over time and is significantly easier to consume. Just because it's cheaper long run on paper, it doesn't mean it's the obvious choice for everyone.
   
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Well with 200 you don't even get the cheapest 40k army without rules

Sure, but I can buy 1 unit per month or hell, one unit every half a year and still have a 1k army eventually.
The whole argument about 3d printers being cheap hinges on being a middle-class person in the 1st world. They're not cheap, you're just well-off. Hell, I know people in the USA that can't just drop $400 in a one-time purchase on a electronic toy like that.

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Cronch wrote:

a middle-class person in the 1st world.

I'd wager that description fits a good 90%+ of GW's customer base.

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 BertBert wrote:
Cronch wrote:

a middle-class person in the 1st world.

I'd wager that description fits a good 90%+ of GW's customer base.


Even as a middle class person in the 1st world, cheaper doesn't equate to cheap bear in mind.
   
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 Overread wrote:

Well its not "idiotic" the whole "sold out online" issue is a rest of GW not having the production capacity to keep up with consumer demand.


It has nothing to do with consumer demand and everything to do with an inept company that simply cannot communicate to its customers with a basic level of courtesy.

Is it too hard to script statuses that give you an estimated lead time instead of "Out of stock online" or "Temporarily out of stock online"

Is it that hard to implement a back ordering system so your company can at least gauge consumer demand to meet consumer demand?

"No longer available online" reads like, you can't order this ever again. BUY WHAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE NOW OR YOU WILL REGRET IT SON

That's idiotic to the core. It's the hunger games FOMO strategy. They need to cut the crap, and the apologists need to as well.


Explain, really why, GW has put it so I cannot recieve communication about when Stormboyz, Trukks, Killa Kans, Kustom Boosta Blastas, MegaTrakk Scrapjets, Deffkilla Wartrikes, or the Mekboy Workshop come back in stock?

?

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Cronch wrote:
a shortage of lorry drivers

Allow me to cackle madly at this self-inflicted shot in the foot for british industry.


Cease thy cackle, our glorious and fruitful leader has already solved the issue by massively reducing the requirements to qualify as a driver, I think its now down to three runs of Truck simulator and a pinky swear not to drive over smaller road users...

As for daddy dubs they can huff and puff all they like as both they and we know if anything will do them proper harm its them doing something really stupid

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Cronch wrote:
a shortage of lorry drivers

Allow me to cackle madly at this self-inflicted shot in the foot for british industry.


Cease thy cackle, our glorious and fruitful leader has already solved the issue by massively reducing the requirements to qualify as a driver, I think its now down to three runs of Truck simulator and a pinky swear not to drive over smaller road users...




UK in a nutshell!

Oh man dont worry they will blame covid for everything since the B word is only good things. Right? Once that 85 year old driver flats more than 5 pedestrians in row he will be the one to blame... he took back control after all

   
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Tallarook, Victoria, Australia

Topic has gone off topic and morphed into Brexit haters who don't follow the news about EU truck driver shortages

https://www.globalcoldchainnews.com/driver-shortage-is-pan-european/

Extra points to guy from Poland commenting, being of which Poland has the most extreme driver shortage of all, surpassing the UK.

Kinda like their drivers were sucked away to foreign countries by an economic union ....




Stick to the topic: GW being utter pricks

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If you're upset when someone holds you to your own self stated standards it might just be that they are indeed selective double standards. 
   
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Austria

Dudeface wrote:
 kodos wrote:

Cronch wrote:
What is affordable. To me, $200 is the max that I would count as affordable, anything over that is "serious" purchase I need a real incentive to spend. As someone who does not collect multiple 2k armies, I really don't have one.

Well with 200 you don't even get the cheapest 40k army without rules

Starting 40k now would be already way over your price point were a printer is on the edge and would be already worth it for a single army


Yeah, but you don't buy your whole army in 1 spend normally, you can space it out over time and is significantly easier to consume. Just because it's cheaper long run on paper, it doesn't mean it's the obvious choice for everyone.


what long run?
buying stuff until you are able to play is not the long run
it does not matter if you buy it in one go or over 1 year for the initial investment to play

specially if there is the chance to enter a new Edition before you were able to play at all if you just take you time to buy in small steps

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 NAVARRO wrote:
 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Cronch wrote:
a shortage of lorry drivers

Allow me to cackle madly at this self-inflicted shot in the foot for british industry.


Cease thy cackle, our glorious and fruitful leader has already solved the issue by massively reducing the requirements to qualify as a driver, I think its now down to three runs of Truck simulator and a pinky swear not to drive over smaller road users...




UK in a nutshell!

Oh man dont worry they will blame covid for everything since the B word is only good things. Right? Once that 85 year old driver flats more than 5 pedestrians in row he will be the one to blame... he took back control after all


Damn, you couldn't exploit countries for labour markets and cause shortages in their country instead of yours

https://www.ti-insight.com/briefs/europes-road-freight-market-short-of-more-400000-drivers/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Logistics%20Briefing%2025082021&utm_content=Logistics%20Briefing%2025082021+CID_26ac0c055560d841a84979bcba596c5a&utm_source=Campaign%20Monitor

Wonder why poland and ukraine have severe shortages? EU.

But who cares about them, right? (not you)

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Austria

Cronch wrote:

Well with 200 you don't even get the cheapest 40k army without rules

Sure, but I can buy 1 unit per month or hell, one unit every half a year and still have a 1k army eventually

one unit every half a year and no need to buy 9th Edi rules because you see 10th Edition before you eventually have a 1k army

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Not sure of the point you're trying to make as the article you've posted specifically states that Brexit is contributing to the UKs supply chain issues.
   
 
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