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2017/05/11 13:32:45
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2017/05/11 13:33:55
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
Kriswall wrote: If you want your Tau to be Farsight Enclaves flavored, buy another book.
We do not know that will be the case.
How do you imagine that something like the Farsight Enclaves material is going to be released? For free? I'm curious? Rolled into Codex: Tau Empire? Are they just going to squat the sub faction? Will Codex: Space Marines have the Sentinels of Terra, Clan Raukaan, etc. material included? The book would be huge.
My assumption is that they'll do what they've always done and create/sell supplemental information. I think it's a reasonable assumption given that they've already said new Codexes with army specific rules will be coming once 8th Edition is in place.
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I just noticed the Psyker keyword on the datasheet. If the Tzaangor battle icon manages to port its way over from AoS, I will never, ever stop laughing.
2017/05/11 13:36:06
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
davethepak wrote: I suspect some melee weapons will be combined - I mean, is a chain sword and chain axe really that different? If they were the same cost and effect, would it matter?
yes chain axes are ap4 and so far ap4 has transformed into a -1 armour save in 8th, plus my khorne berzerkers have loads of them so no no combine these XD
In 30K they're also +1S. Would be nice if that ported over to 40K in 8th also. S+1 and Sv -1 would be formidable.
Cephalobeard wrote: I really hope they show a matched play sheet. I understand others may care about narrative and "for fun" games, but I could not care less about them existing.
Just hoping for a bit more information.
They will. Info is just being drip-fed to fuel the hype train.
I like this summary sheet effect, but it still appears here's a USR on there without the rules text, unless they clipped it for mystery?
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2017/05/11 13:37:56
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
Cephalobeard wrote: I really hope they show a matched play sheet. I understand others may care about narrative and "for fun" games, but I could not care less about them existing.
Just hoping for a bit more information.
They will. Info is just being drip-fed to fuel the hype train.
I like this summary sheet effect, but it still appears here's a USR on there without the rules text, unless they clipped it for mystery?
Next we have Abilities. Universal special rules are out, so any time a unit acts differently to what its stats might indicate, the rules for how will be in here. The bulk of these rules will be written in full, but there might occasionally be an army-wide or very common rule for a given faction that isn’t (like the Death to the False Emperor rule you can see above). These will always be in that same publication, though, to make finding it easy.
They also said something similar for units with many options, giving out the specific example of a Tactical Squad. The "most common" options would be on the datasheet.
2017/05/11 13:38:22
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
They also confirmed, if I'm reading that correctly, that squads like Tactical squads (with tons of options) will only have the more common options listed.
Good to know. I suspect something similar will happen with Crisis Suits and Wolf Guard.
2017/05/11 13:39:47
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
Unusual Suspect wrote: Buying books for point costs. Truly, how horrendous of them. How could they. What callous, greedy behavior. Who could have thought. Paying money. Shocking. I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
Sarcasm detected. It's shaping up that from a Matched Play perspective, which is the only perspective many people care about, the only rules that are going to be free are the core rules. If you want to play Space Marines with army specific rules, buy a book. If you want to ally in some Tau models with army specific rules, buy another book. If you want your Tau to be Farsight Enclaves flavored, buy another book. Oh, you like that recently released model? Buy this campaign book to get the points costs. New terrain! Buy a book for the points.
How is this not just like 7th Edition? Even if the books are cheaper per book, it still sounds like I'm going to need a stack of them to use the models I currently own. It sounds like the transition from 7th Edition to 8th Edition will involve throwing all of my rule books in the garbage and then buying new ones.
Am I missing something? I know GW is going to be releasing 5 books on day 1 with point costs for all of the currently available models. It sounds like they'll then be releasing Codexes with army specific rules in much the same way AoS has the General's Handbook for basic costs and Battletomes to really jazz up an army. To play my Skitarii, Tau and Iron Warrior armies, I'll need the Imperium, Chaos AND Xenos books PLUS whatever the General's Handbook equivalent is PLUS the inevitable Skitarii, Tau and Chaos Marines Codexes. That's 7 rule books for a "free" rule set. I hope I'm missing something.
They never claimed it would be a free rule set. They claimed the base rules would be free.
Y'know how the current basic rule book costs $165?
That's money you're not going to have to shell out. THAT's how its different from 7th.
But no, continue to complain that they aren't providing something for free that they've never stated would be free.
...You are aware this is a business that they run, right?
The current basic rule book is widely available for about $30. I'm not sure where you're getting $165 from. Even the hardback for sale on GW's site is "only" $85. Everyone I know uses a small softbound they got in one of several different starter sets.
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Cephalobeard wrote: I really hope they show a matched play sheet. I understand others may care about narrative and "for fun" games, but I could not care less about them existing.
Just hoping for a bit more information.
They will. Info is just being drip-fed to fuel the hype train.
I like this summary sheet effect, but it still appears here's a USR on there without the rules text, unless they clipped it for mystery?
Next we have Abilities. Universal special rules are out, so any time a unit acts differently to what its stats might indicate, the rules for how will be in here. The bulk of these rules will be written in full, but there might occasionally be an army-wide or very common rule for a given faction that isn’t (like the Death to the False Emperor rule you can see above). These will always be in that same publication, though, to make finding it easy.
They also said something similar for units with many options, giving out the specific example of a Tactical Squad. The "most common" options would be on the datasheet.
If there is room - and tehre seems to be here - I dont see whay they would not put the faction abilities on as well - its annoying its not. Also why not have the Invuln saves on the profile line
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Kriswall wrote: If you want your Tau to be Farsight Enclaves flavored, buy another book.
We do not know that will be the case.
How do you imagine that something like the Farsight Enclaves material is going to be released? For free? I'm curious? Rolled into Codex: Tau Empire? Are they just going to squat the sub faction? Will Codex: Space Marines have the Sentinels of Terra, Clan Raukaan, etc. material included? The book would be huge.
It's not as huge as you would think, honestly.
Not really fair to bring up Sentinels of Terra or Raukaan, if I'm going to be honest. Those two were considered valid at the end of the day but essentially got superseded by "Angels of Death". Most of what was present in there was fluff. It's entirely possible(as shown in the new Stormcast Eternals and Kharadron Overlords books) to showcase the different options in one page spreads.
My assumption is that they'll do what they've always done and create/sell supplemental information. I think it's a reasonable assumption given that they've already said new Codexes with army specific rules will be coming once 8th Edition is in place.
For the time being, I don't think Farsight Enclaves should really be too concerned with anything. They'll probably get special rules for doing a detachment of Farsight Enclaves and maybe some relics or something, but they don't really have any signature units beyond The Eight.
2017/05/11 13:42:45
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
Unusual Suspect wrote: Buying books for point costs. Truly, how horrendous of them. How could they. What callous, greedy behavior. Who could have thought. Paying money. Shocking. I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
Sarcasm detected. It's shaping up that from a Matched Play perspective, which is the only perspective many people care about, the only rules that are going to be free are the core rules. If you want to play Space Marines with army specific rules, buy a book. If you want to ally in some Tau models with army specific rules, buy another book. If you want your Tau to be Farsight Enclaves flavored, buy another book. Oh, you like that recently released model? Buy this campaign book to get the points costs. New terrain! Buy a book for the points.
How is this not just like 7th Edition? Even if the books are cheaper per book, it still sounds like I'm going to need a stack of them to use the models I currently own. It sounds like the transition from 7th Edition to 8th Edition will involve throwing all of my rule books in the garbage and then buying new ones.
Am I missing something? I know GW is going to be releasing 5 books on day 1 with point costs for all of the currently available models. It sounds like they'll then be releasing Codexes with army specific rules in much the same way AoS has the General's Handbook for basic costs and Battletomes to really jazz up an army. To play my Skitarii, Tau and Iron Warrior armies, I'll need the Imperium, Chaos AND Xenos books PLUS whatever the General's Handbook equivalent is PLUS the inevitable Skitarii, Tau and Chaos Marines Codexes. That's 7 rule books for a "free" rule set. I hope I'm missing something.
They never claimed it would be a free rule set. They claimed the base rules would be free.
Y'know how the current basic rule book costs $165?
That's money you're not going to have to shell out. THAT's how its different from 7th.
But no, continue to complain that they aren't providing something for free that they've never stated would be free.
...You are aware this is a business that they run, right?
You need to shop somewhere else! Whoever sold you your last rulebook took you to the cleaners!
In AoS, the Warscrolls include the rules for Icons/Banners/Musicians but apparently not here. Might be an army wide rule (does makes sense as most CSM units can take the various Icons of the gods) I suppose.
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By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
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2017/05/11 13:44:34
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
So it seems like leadership is going to be dropping a little bit from the current edition. Makes sense if you want battle shock to actually be a thing instead of the current "Who cares, I am 10 or fearless"
They specifically say that tomorrow they are going to discuss power and points.
Cover why his movement is different in the article.
Also the thing they are making clear is that all of the special rules, unit entries, etc you need will be in one book so you are not lugging it all around. Then one faction specific book(similar to a codex I am guessing). The key I think is that you only need to BRING one or two books to play the game.
Having points in a separate book makes sense if you figure that they are planning on updating points as needed year to year(ala generals handbook). Power most likely wont change much. Also this gives you access to every armies point costs in one book, rather than having to buy them all.
People who stopped buying GW but wont stop bitching about it are the vegans of warhammer
nintura wrote: Interesting that you dont seem to have to pay anything for upgrades. Even power level points. So Soul Reaper is free. you should always take it.
Again in Narrative play they did confirm that power levels would just cover the cost of the unit, not any wargear options. Matched Play is meant to have a full points cost for all options.
By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!
- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos
2017/05/11 13:47:30
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
nintura wrote: Interesting that you dont seem to have to pay anything for upgrades. Even power level points. So Soul Reaper is free. you should always take it.
Repeat after me, Power levels aren't points
2017/05/11 13:47:38
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
Cephalobeard wrote: I really hope they show a matched play sheet. I understand others may care about narrative and "for fun" games, but I could not care less about them existing.
Just hoping for a bit more information.
They will. Info is just being drip-fed to fuel the hype train.
I like this summary sheet effect, but it still appears here's a USR on there without the rules text, unless they clipped it for mystery?
Next we have Abilities. Universal special rules are out, so any time a unit acts differently to what its stats might indicate, the rules for how will be in here. The bulk of these rules will be written in full, but there might occasionally be an army-wide or very common rule for a given faction that isn’t (like the Death to the False Emperor rule you can see above). These will always be in that same publication, though, to make finding it easy.
They also said something similar for units with many options, giving out the specific example of a Tactical Squad. The "most common" options would be on the datasheet.
If there is room - and tehre seems to be here - I dont see whay they would not put the faction abilities on as well - its annoying its not. Also why not have the Invuln saves on the profile line
If they include everything on the Datasheet, then you won't have to buy a Codex for the extra several pages of rules. In AoS, the only reason to buy a $50 Battletome is generally for the 3-4 page of army specific rules and maybe 1 or 2 Battalion (Formation) pages. I assume it'll be the same for 40k.
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Cephalobeard wrote: I really hope they show a matched play sheet. I understand others may care about narrative and "for fun" games, but I could not care less about them existing.
Just hoping for a bit more information.
They will. Info is just being drip-fed to fuel the hype train.
I like this summary sheet effect, but it still appears here's a USR on there without the rules text, unless they clipped it for mystery?
Next we have Abilities. Universal special rules are out, so any time a unit acts differently to what its stats might indicate, the rules for how will be in here. The bulk of these rules will be written in full, but there might occasionally be an army-wide or very common rule for a given faction that isn’t (like the Death to the False Emperor rule you can see above). These will always be in that same publication, though, to make finding it easy.
They also said something similar for units with many options, giving out the specific example of a Tactical Squad. The "most common" options would be on the datasheet.
If there is room - and tehre seems to be here - I dont see whay they would not put the faction abilities on as well - its annoying its not. Also why not have the Invuln saves on the profile line
If they include everything on the Datasheet, then you won't have to buy a Codex for the extra several pages of rules. In AoS, the only reason to buy a $50 Battletome is generally for the 3-4 page of army specific rules and maybe 1 or 2 Battalion (Formation) pages. I assume it'll be the same for 40k.
Let's hope it's not that expensive...
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2017/05/11 13:50:23
Subject: Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Summary - 10th May 17: Weapons Part 2 / New FB summary (all info in OP)
Go look at the Age of Sigmar books/warscolls page on the GW website.
Sigmarines got a whole new Battletome to cover Sigmarines who ride mounts. So... yeah, I did look and it sure looks like AoS supplemental materials are a thing. Also, I have Orruks who don't wear armor in one Battletome and Orruks who do in another. I don't have Battletome: Orruks. I don't know why you'd think that Codex: Tau Empire would include Tau groups who aren't part of the Tau Empire. Codex: Tau Empire and Codex: Farsight Enclaves would more accurately represent what we see in AoS.
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S+1 and 
