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Hello, again. I'm one of those WAAC players. If I get the days off work Im bringing this:

Imotekh

5 warriors
5 warrios
10 tesla immortals

10 flayed ones

3 x 6 wraiths 3 whips trans beamer particle caster

Tomb Spyder w/ gloom prism.

if you want to win at all costs, I'm not sure this list is going to accomplish your designs...

Most armies are gonna laugh at you... Relying on immo for all your at needs/ bad idea

Thats really not much for 1500pts.

Trans beamers seem like a waste of pts.

Zid wrote:Most armies are gonna laugh at you... Relying on immo for all your at needs/ bad idea

Im not relying on imo for much anything but multiple night fight rounds and that lucky 6. Oh yeah, and I use one of your "flesh" units as a chaos icon for my flayed ones....and getting the first turn. Laugh now, die later I always say.

If you are going WAAC, i'd go for a vanilla OL on a CCB, and then use immo's leftover points to buy a solar pulse, yeah, you only get one round of night fighting, but then you can, if used well, get a second turn assault with the wraiths.
If you really want flayed, infiltrate them, otherwise, maybe drop them, get another CCB, with vanilla OL, and laugh maniacally.

Took some advice, then said meh.

Imotekh
3 harbringers of destruction
3X 5 warriors
3X6 wraiths same as above
15 flayed ones

... wow.
good luck, uh... doing things.

Lol is my list tailoring really that bad? Well, Ill do a few BRs next month and post em. Im confident in the list.

I feel like we may be being trolled.

The list has hints of being mean, but doesn't cover it's ass enough. It also uses some units here that do so little for you, or are so unreliable, that it overcomes the efficiency of the good things you have going on.

It's really too bad that necrons don't have any melta guns, I always think they would just be dandy with all this night fighting.

Lucre wrote:I feel like we may be being trolled.

The list has hints of being mean, but doesn't cover it's ass enough. It also uses some units here that do so little for you, or are so unreliable, that it overcomes the efficiency of the good things you have going on.

It's really too bad that necrons don't have any melta guns, I always think they would just be dandy with all this night fighting.

So the people critiquing my list are trolls? Makes since since 18 wraiths is no joke.

Just found out flyers are gonna be out by Throne of Skulls. Heres the new list kitted out for maximum assault threat.

Overlord w/ warscythe CCB tesla cannon

Harbringer of destruction with solar pulse

Destroyer lord w/ MSS

5 Warriors
Night Scythe

5 warriors

13 flayed ones

3X6 wraiths 3 lash whips 1 trans beamer 1 particle caster 1 regular

Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

General_Chaos wrote:Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

PFFFTT, HAHAHAHAAA
Well played, sir.
Well played.

Well, time to get a BR on in the tournament at my FLGS next month. I dont feel like explaining it now keep trollin. I got first 3 months ago. Come to Black Diamond Games 2nd week Saturday. Ill also be at Battle Bunker in Antioch Sunday. Second week of each month. See you locals there.

How did you manage such a massive saturation of troops?

General_Chaos wrote:Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

True!

EnormousName wrote:How did you manage such a massive saturation of troops?

General_Chaos wrote:Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

True!

Flayed Ones are easily the best unit in the codex, if not the entire game.

Misguided or not, the OP is asking legitimate questions. Instead of scoffing and accusing him of trollage, maybe you should try to contribute something constructive.

To OP, I actually like your lists. Imo + 18 wraiths is nothing to scoff at. They just need some more work. Without scarabs, spyders are harder to justify, especially in small units. Flayed are a crippled unit under current rules, but with bloodswarm or infiltrate coupled with a general disdain by the meta, you may be able to do some damage. Generally though, they are not a tournament choice. Are you model-limited?

As regards AT, anybody who has seen what wraiths do to vehicles will not consider this list lacking. Only things like landraiders and monoliths are relatively safe against the wraith attacks.

That being said, I would switch one of the wraith squads to big squad of scarabs, preferably 10, then buy them some spyders for farming. Also, a 40 pt chronotek to help Imotekh I have found is a great investment.

Trolls will always exist... problem?

OT I think you should get a bit more troops, bad luck can really crap up your game if your troops die. Also I recommend listening to necrontyr40k..

General_Chaos wrote:Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

Made my day

EnormousName wrote:How did you manage such a massive saturation of troops?

General_Chaos wrote:Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

True!

2 minimal troops are all I need. I'm confident in every list I've posted here I've only lost 2 games since I've started using flayed ones in wraithwing so I could care less since there is no criticism only sarcasm.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

EnormousName wrote:How did you manage such a massive saturation of troops?

General_Chaos wrote:Nothing spells WAAC like Flayed Ones!

True!

2 minimal troops are all I need. I'm confident in every list I've posted here I've only lost 2 games since I've started using flayed ones in wraithwing so I could care less since there is no criticism only sarcasm.

Good for you.

I promise you the people trolling about Flayed Ones have not used them at all, or used them poorly. They are a perfect anvil to the hammer of 18 Wraiths you have setup, and Imo just adds the icing on the cake of making them more versatile. I just don't think people completely understand what they bring to Imo based CC list (like Wraith Wing and Scarabfarm just to name the interweb options).

Well, your army completely lacks fire support. Against a fast moving army your list could be in trouble.
What's the deal with the Flayed Ones?

wuestenfux wrote:Well, your army completely lacks fire support. Against a fast moving army your list could be in trouble.
What's the deal with the Flayed Ones?

That, what you just wrote, is exactly the deal with the Flayed Ones. 15 to 20 Flayed ones can threaten an entire Table Quarter. And the common strategy is to "just avoid them" which means staying away from them which means sacrificing giant stretches of real estate which means the 18 wraiths with 18" (36" diameter) threat ranges will have little trouble catching up to you and destroying you.

I really don't understand why so many people have a hard time grasping this concept.

Also incidentally, Flayed Ones are one of the best CC counters in the necron dex to TH/SS termies , which happens to be one of the Wraiths weaker opponents. Edit: weaker="less favorable"

So the tactics is to infiltrate the Flayed Ones to occupy part of the battle field. In fact, this would force the enemy to either assault them or stay away from them. In this way, the Wraiths could pick their fights. Could work in some way.

ShadarLogoth wrote:Flayed Ones are one of the best CC counters in the necron dex to TH/SS termies

hmm, this intrigues me. Care to run us through an example scenario?

skoffs wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:Flayed Ones are one of the best CC counters in the necron dex to TH/SS termies

hmm, this intrigues me. Care to run us through an example scenario?

Ok heres one. Lets say turn 2 your TH/SS Termies deep strike in. On turn one the 13 flayed ones are deployed next to the night scythe, with the destroyer lord, then go in it on my turn, probably unscathed as you attempt to hit my wraiths/night fight feths you over. Turn 2 rolls around and your TH SS termies roll in, lets say 5 Lc 5 th ss.

I go 14" away from you, and many opponents tend to misjudge the distance, so attempt to assault and fail. I used to saw lumber for customers all day so have little trouble determining 6" 12" and over 12". So you fail assault, and I hit you. Destroyer lord MSS a lightning claw, meaning you only get a chance to hit 8 times with 4. So, you go for the flayed ones since the destroyer lord isnt fearless and you have to win combat or risk geting stuck in for my wraiths to deliver the finishing blow. So lets say you roll really well to hit and kill 6 flayed ones(WS 4 vs 4).

That leaves me 7 plus a destroyer lord. So 28 Str 4 attacks and 4 attacks with str 7 power weapon with preferred enemy, in addition to up to 3 lightning claw auto hits. On average that is 2 or more invulnerable saves and 12 regular.

Will I win that combat? Probably not under regular lists, but odds are pretty good that at least one wraith squad will also be within range, as they have an 18" threat range and they will also be lash coiling at least 2 lightning claws, reducing casualties even more. So 28 attacks goes up to 36 just by reducing 2 casualties. Add to this I gave my wraiths a transdimensional beamer, and particle caster giving me a 1/3 chance of removing one random terminator from play during the shooting phase and the tesla fire from the night scythe if not blown up.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

skoffs wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:Flayed Ones are one of the best CC counters in the necron dex to TH/SS termies

hmm, this intrigues me. Care to run us through an example scenario?

Ok heres one. Lets say turn 2 your TH/SS Termies deep strike in. On turn one the 13 flayed ones are deployed next to the night scythe, with the destroyer lord, then go in it on my turn, probably unscathed as you attempt to hit my wraiths/night fight feths you over. Turn 2 rolls around and your TH SS termies roll in, lets say 5 Lc 5 th ss.

I go 14" away from you, and many opponents tend to misjudge the distance, so attempt to assault and fail. I used to saw lumber for customers all day so have little trouble determining 6" 12" and over 12". So you fail assault, and I hit you. Destroyer lord MSS a lightning claw, meaning you only get a chance to hit 8 times with 4. So, you go for the flayed ones since the destroyer lord isnt fearless and you have to win combat or risk geting stuck in for my wraiths to deliver the finishing blow. So lets say you roll really well to hit and kill 6 flayed ones(WS 4 vs 4).

That leaves me 7 plus a destroyer lord. So 28 Str 4 attacks and 4 attacks with str 7 power weapon with preferred enemy, in addition to up to 3 lightning claw auto hits. On average that is 2 or more invulnerable saves and 12 regular.

Will I win that combat? Probably not under regular lists, but odds are pretty good that at least one wraith squad will also be within range, as they have an 18" threat range and they will also be lash coiling at least 2 lightning claws, reducing casualties even more. So 28 attacks goes up to 36 just by reducing 2 casualties. Add to this I gave my wraiths a transdimensional beamer, and particle caster giving me a 1/3 chance of removing one random terminator from play during the shooting phase and the tesla fire from the night scythe if not blown up.

Oh I get it now!!! You saying 600 points of necrons has a good chance of killing 200 points of Assault Terminators after a couple turns... so clear now, WAAC indeed. Please continue with this well-spring of knowledge!!

Defeatmyarmy wrote: Add to this I gave my wraiths a transdimensional beamer, and particle caster giving me a 1/3 chance of removing one random terminator from play during the shooting phase and the tesla fire from the night scythe if not blown up.

I am sure you know this but the Transdimensional beamer is Heavy 1 so you shoot, then on your next turn assault... I like where this is going, it's genius, mind-games, 40k is more than just a dice game you got to into your opponents head if you want to be WAAC!

Your opponents gunna be like "why would did he shoot a 15 point heavy weapon me that has a 33% chance of killing one model instead of assaulting me... he's got to have something up his sleeve...hmmm..." and you just sit there with a poker face and watch the confusion reign... laughing on the inside...yah WAAC indeed!