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Okay, my local game shop is starting up a new league to invest people in gearing up and playing games using 6th Edition. The rules are, 1000 points of which 250 (approx) must be allies. A fluff reason must be provided for the alliance. Models are to be built and painted as part of the league. Once the armies are at least built, play will begin.

So, my main force is to be Space Marines with Dark Eldar as my allies. The fluff explanation is that my chapter, the Angels Vindictus, has an abnormal predisposition for the pariah gene (no in-game effect). While attempting to uncover and destroy a supposed Necron outpost, the Chapter Master (a powerful pariah) was captured by the Necron lord and his Cryptek followers. They escaped by an as yet undetermined method and the chapter is in a crusade to recover their Chapter Master dead or alive. Complicating the matter is discovery by the chapter's Techmarines that that the Necrons are attempting to recreate the Pariahs so they can finally win the "war in heaven" and capture the webway once and forever. Recognizing the catastrophic fate that will hold over the Empire once the Necrons achieve their goals, the newly appointed Chapter Master contacted an Eldar Ranger for assistance tracking down their Necron foe. With the Craftworlds being beseiged or otherwise disposed, the Ranger made contact with the Harliquins and through them one of the last Dark Eldar Kabals still capable of significant warfighting in the material universe.

Given the clear and imminent threat to Commorragh, the Kabal of the Bloody Rose was able to secure many favors in exchange for committing to the pursuit of this band of Necrons and their mad Phaeron. The Chapter Master of the Angels Vindictus has received a special webway portal and special communications equipment so that either force can quickly support the other as they track the Necrons. The webway portal is not actual wargear and has no effect on the game other than to explain how the Dark Eldar would arrive on any given world where the Space Marines have landed, even if no webway entrance exists in the area.

So, as I craft my force I'm considering my options for the Dark Eldar. At 250 points, I'm pretty much limited to one HQ and one troop choice. Here are some of the ideas I'm tossing around:

105 Baron Sathonyx
141 Hellions x6 (Helliarch w/Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Pistol, and Agonizer)

Basically I'm thinking the Baron and his boys will be mostly hunting soft targets that may be a problem for the main Space Marine force to get to quickly. With jump packs stricking at initiative 10, they'll be able to deal some serious damage before any enemies get to wipe them out. Also, hit and run can give them some added surviveability as long as they're not fighting Grey Knights or something like that.

130 Haemonculus Ancient (Crucible of Malediction, Flesh Gauntlet, and Liquifier Gun)
120 Wracks x4 (Acothyst w/Scissorhand, Venom)

Monster hunting, I'm thinking. There is a prevelance of Grey Knight and Space Wolves players in my area so I'm thinking that the Cruicible may very easily make back its points. The rest is about poisoned weapons and instant death so multi-wound and/or high-toughness units would be preferred targets. My concern is that this may well wind up being a suicide squad and that's rough at 1/4 my army total.

85 Succubus (Agonizer)
165 Wyches x9 (Razorflails x1, Raider w/Disintegrator Cannon & Enhanced Aethersails)

Close combat unit with a little anti-power armor power just in case there's no softer targets available.

75 Archon (Blaster)
171 Warriors x9 (Sybarite, Raider w/Disintegrator Cannon, Flickerfield, Splinter Racks)

Lots of poisoned shots with rerolls to hit. Should be able to inflict a ton of wounds on just about any unit, especially anything with high toughness.

So, this obviously isn't deep thinking here as I've not yet worked up the Marine part of my list. I'm thinking HQ + two tactical squads combat squadded with half in Razorbacks and half slogging to take objectives.

Anyway, please hit me with some feedback and advice if you have any and I promise to take everything into consideration.

Thanks for reading.

Breotan


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So, nobody? Or is it that nobody cares? :/

So... no one cares? :/

I can say I don't care. As I hate the idea of allies.

But I think its more that people don't know much about it yet.

The thing it that no one really knows the exact rules for 6th edition soooo we cant accurately judge how effective your list is


Wolf

Well, here's a better look at my overall thinking with the Space Marine part.

323 Tactical Squad Alpha (Librarian w/Storm Bolter, Sergeant, Marines x9 w/Flamer & ML, Razorback w/pmsb)

220 Tactical Squad Beta (Sergeant, Marines x9 w/Flamer & ML, Razorback w/pmsb)

205 Predator Annihilator (Dozer,Extra Armor,Hunter-killer,pmsb).

That gives me up to four scoring units and some nice anti-armor. I'm thinking that the Hellions would compliment this nicely filling fast attack and assault roles.

105 Baron Sathonyx
141 Hellions x6 (Helliarch w/Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Pistol, and Agonizer)

so, why would you take 2 Pintle Mounted Storm Bolters instead of more points to put elsewhere? Or Extra armor on the Predator, since only the roll of a 3 is going to ever stun it, and that's only if it gets penetrated?

Take the 3 Pintle Mounts off, the Hunter Killer, and the Extra Armor, and you have 55pts to play with. You can upgrade one of the Razorbacks to have a TL AC, TLLC, TLPG w/ LC.

or you can sink the 55pts into the Dark Eldar.

Remember; since Dark Eldar and Space Marines are Desperate Allies, if they come within 6" of eachother, every unit within 6" has to roll a dice to see if they do nothing for a turn.

I'm at a hard limit of 250 points to spend on the DE. I think there may be some wiggle room but only about five points or so at the most.

Upgrading one of the Razorbacks is certainly something I've been thinking about.

That PGL is a waste of points on the Helliarch. The Baron comes with one as standard and you only need 1 per unit.
The Haemy Ancient is a bit of a waste too, you'd be better off with a bog standard one with just the liquifier or maybe a shattershard just for lol's. Same with the Wracks, just go for the liquifier.
The Succubus is okay, wouldn't be my first choice though. I'd drop the sails for flickerfields or Nightshields (depending if you think you'll be facing much stuff that ignores the cover saves provided by this Jink rule.
If you're going for the Archon option I'd consider taking the Duke if points permit it, 3+ poison is awesome.


Hopefully some of that helps. but who knows, we might not of heard rummours about something in the rulebook that would completely invalidate everything I just said

From what's been leaked, I doubt you're going to get the +1 to go first from the baron (probably not going to be 'battle brothers')

At that point, he's not worth his points.

Then, you're just paying a lot for a mediocre unit.

There are better things to take from the DE codex. For 250 points you could take wyches with a haemy in a raider. Better than 6 hellions imo.

EDIT:

Oh, and according to BOLS post (http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/06/40k-allies-are-for-what.html) you probably cant take the baron anyway (no named ICs)

jcress410 wrote:Oh, and according to BOLS post (http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/06/40k-allies-are-for-what.html) you probably cant take the baron anyway (no named ICs)

Yea, I'm not seeing this restriction on page 109 or 112/113.

I played a test game with this list (SM and Baron) against an all 'Nid list and was suprised at how quickly the Razorbacks up and evaporated. Needless to say, they're outta there. Baron did okay, but I think I'd do better with dedicated monster hunting. Also, they've dropped the 250 restriction so I've gained a little flexability there.

Here is a new list for critique:

Angels Vindictus Recon Team Three (701 points)

• Space Marine Librarian (Jump Pack, Storm Bolter)
• Tactical Squad (Bolters x7, Flamer, Missile Launcher), Sgt (Bolter)
• Scout Squad x5 (Camo Cloaks, Sniper Rifles)
• Assault Squad (Bolt Pistol x5, Plasma Pistol), Sgt (Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon)
• Devestator Squad (Missile Launcher x4), Sgt (Bolter)

Cult of the Lying Heart Headhunters (295 Points)

• Lelith Hesperax
• Wyches x6 (Razorflails), Raider (Dark Lance)