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I bring two things.

They are the same but not.

And they make me very hopeful for the Man of Steel.
First up:
Jor-El


Jonathan Kent


Enjoy!

I just want them to stop making superman movies.

rubiksnoob wrote:I just want them to stop making superman movies.

We disagree about almost everything, but in this instance, we're on the same page.

Seriously, enough with the instant retreads, and superman movies just suck, like all of them. You can't really make an omnipotent being anything but boring.

Looks crap.

The one from SDCC that actually showed more Superman, and super powered fighting, was a lot more impressive. I don't think this teaser is going to generate the reaction they want. Most so far has been 'meh'.

Soladrin wrote:Looks crap.

Actually played it-yea it looks boring as cardboard.

Frazzled wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Looks crap.

Actually played it-yea it looks boring as cardboard.

Agreed. Very dry.

Was that the Teaser to this season's "Deadliest Catch"?

Easy E wrote:Was that the Teaser to this season's "Deadliest Catch"?

yea I didn't get that. Didn't have the sound up though.

Wasn't deadliest catch. He's not on a farm anymore but local fisherman. Its the same guy

So it's another reboot?

Another reboot.....

Jihadin wrote:Wasn't deadliest catch. He's not on a farm anymore but local fisherman. Its the same guy

Apparently, they used inspiration from a comic arc where Clark took a bit of a "Kung Fu" angle and wandered the world...

I liked the old movies.. part 1 and 2, the rest sucked.

I'll watch this new one when it's on HBO next month

The SDCC trailer -- by all accounts -- was much more action-oriented and Zack Snyder has promised a lot of action in the movie. So the spiritual trailer might be an odd choice in some respects. I happen to like it, as it suggests a more thoughtful approach to the material.

Dude, its superman. How thoughtful can it be? He's got not angst. He had good parents. He's functionally invulnerable. If he makes a mistake he can just go back in time and fix it.

Unless he's fighting like Baal, how bad can it get for him? When you can literally kick everyone's ass before breakfast, including Unicron and the Death Star, whats the issue?

It not the litteral failur eof Superman that matters, it is the possible spiritual and moral failure that can make him interesting.

He is suppose to be a shiny beacon that others can aspire too. If he fails to be the noblest, best, and most perfect, then everyone is destined to fail. That is how you give him some depths, especially if he knows this and takes the weight upon his shoulders willingly.

Frazzled wrote:Dude, its superman. How thoughtful can it be?

I'm guessing the last Superman comic you read was Action Comics #1 when it was released.


I also didn't realize that Superman Returns was so beloved that the idea of starting a new series is an affront to the delicate sensibilities of dakka's OT contributors. I, personally, look forward to the new films that aren't trying to remake Christopher Reeve but stake a new take on the material, as well as launch a DC Film Universe like the Animated Universe did, or as Marvel has with their characters.

Of course, I saw the SDCC footage and as I stated earlier, and gorgon reiterated, it was much more visceral. I like these teasers, but I don't think they capture attention like the market dept. is hoping.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Dude, its superman. How thoughtful can it be?

I'm guessing the last Superman comic you read was Action Comics #1 when it was released.

Hey Superman stood for something back then! Truth, frankfurters, and the Ford Motor Company!

Frazzled wrote:Unless he's fighting like Baal, how bad can it get for him? When you can literally kick everyone's ass before breakfast, including Unicron and the Death Star, whats the issue?

Except for Braniac, Doomsday, Darksied, Bizarro, Lobo, Metallo, Parasite, ect ect.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Unless he's fighting like Baal, how bad can it get for him? When you can literally kick everyone's ass before breakfast, including Unicron and the Death Star, whats the issue?

Except for Braniac, Doomsday, Darksied, Bizarro, Lobo, Metallo, Parasite, ect ect.

He's just playing with them because he's bored.
Lobo appears. He goes back in time, finds Lobo as a baby and beats his ass. The his momma's. Then his grand mamma's then...

Frazzled wrote:Dude, its superman. How thoughtful can it be? He's got not angst. He had good parents. He's functionally invulnerable. If he makes a mistake he can just go back in time and fix it.

Unless he's fighting like Baal, how bad can it get for him? When you can literally kick everyone's ass before breakfast, including Unicron and the Death Star, whats the issue?

Well, it can be as thoughtful as you want to make it. I think having basically every other member of his species wiped out, with most of the other ones being megalomaniacal bastiches would be someplace to start. Methinks the Christ analogies and the question of whether YOU would want to take all that on is another issue that could be thoughtfully explored (and this has long rumored to be at the core of this movie).

Power level is a non-issue. His power level has fluctuated greatly over the years in either direction. But then I know you know that and are just being willfully ignorant.

gorgon wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Dude, its superman. How thoughtful can it be? He's got not angst. He had good parents. He's functionally invulnerable. If he makes a mistake he can just go back in time and fix it.

Unless he's fighting like Baal, how bad can it get for him? When you can literally kick everyone's ass before breakfast, including Unicron and the Death Star, whats the issue?

Well, it can be as thoughtful as you want to make it. I think having basically every other member of his species wiped out, with most of the other ones being megalomaniacal bastiches would be someplace to start. Methinks the Christ analogies and the question of whether YOU would want to take all that on is another issue that could be thoughtfully explored (and this has long rumored to be at the core of this movie).

Power level is a non-issue. His power level has fluctuated greatly over the years in either direction. But then I know you know that and are just being willfully ignorant.

His specieis didn't get wiped out. He was raised as an American Hurr!

Son, we have somethig to tell.
Ok Dad what?
You were adopted.
OK.
You're an alien
OK
You have super powers. you can't be killed, can go back in time, can fly in space, and may be ageless.
Awesome!

Yea, not getting the issue.
Oh the moral burden! (Eases his conscious by going back in time and throwing Adolph Hitler into the sun, and forcing Stalin and Admiral Tojo into a cage match.)
Ah, I feel better now. Forget that Lois Lane chick, times to dates me some super models.

Super man pick up lines.
I'm invulnerable to bullets but your face stopped my heart.
Would you like some gold? How about 15 tons of it?
What are you doing tomorrow? Care to fly to Alpha Centauri?
yea, being a superhero's a real burden, but I can take it. I'm Superman.
Have I saved your life today?

Ahtman wrote:Except for Braniac, Doomsday, Darksied, Bizarro, Lobo, Metallo, Parasite, ect ect.

Will they be in it or will it just be the Kryptonite thing again?

I'm pretty excited for this, I do hope they put a emphasis on morals/psych of superman...and do something other than Lex Luthor

Frazzled wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:I just want them to stop making superman movies.

We disagree about almost everything, but in this instance, we're on the same page.

Seriously, enough with the instant retreads, and superman movies just suck, like all of them. You can't really make an omnipotent being anything but boring.

Oh, come now, we can't be that different! I have a dachshund for christ's sake!

Look, here's a picture:

George Spiggott wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Except for Braniac, Doomsday, Darksied, Bizarro, Lobo, Metallo, Parasite, ect ect.

Will they be in it or will it just be the Kryptonite thing again?

God I fething HOPE NOT! CHRIST that got old years ago. Hes fething Superman, the dude is practically a God, and your throwing mortal men at him with emeralds?!?! feth me........

So there's a few fun bits in there that I'd like to share.

1) At 1:00, when you see "young Clark" playing wearing the cape...he takes up that iconic Superman 'hands on hips, cape blowing in the breeze' imagery we're all familiar with.
2) At 1:11 watch very closely. Right as he breaks the sound barrier...he extends his arms, and again comes into an iconic pose.
You know the one. Arms forward, cape billowing as he flies forward.

KingCracker wrote:the dude is practically a God

Except he isn't. As someone pointed out above his power levels fluctuate from time to time, with some writing him as as god, and others writing him as powerful to be sure, but not obscenely so. In the current Action Comics of New 52 he hasn't even flown yet (up to where I have read anyway) and makes large jumps as he did originally. While generally immune to small arms fire, he can still be harmed by other forces, such as when he stopped a bullet train and got stuck between it and a building and was knocked unconscious. He is shown having bruises from missiles and such as well. Against normal bank robbers there is no question and is a bit of a joke, but there are things besides kryptonite that can harm him.

Oh, and the villain is Zod. Since this is going to be a 'Batman Begins' for Superman, I think they are going to show why he choose* to be a hero, I imagine they went with Zod to show what a person with Superman's powers, that is intent on naughtiness, can do and why it is important for someone to stand up to them, or for him to not be like them. Or some crap like that.


*I think someone pointed out earlier that Superman, unlike Batman or Spiderman, both whom were affected by traumatic events, makes a conscious choice to be a hero and, more importantly, a symbol for good. He also wasn't infused with power by an accident like the Flash. Green Lantern didn't so much choose to be Green Lantern so much as the ring chose him. Wonder Woman was created to be a hero** from clay.

**I know they recently retconned it.

Yeah, Supes is a perfectly workable character.

1. His character arc is different from other heroes; as said, he's not a tormented guy, but someone with power who chooses to be a hero and a symbol.
2. Time travel and all the really zany excessive powers haven't classically been crap he can do; just during particular periods of (mostly) bad writing.
3. There are some villains who can take him on head to head; like Zod.
4. Even if he's indestructible and the strongest guy in the world, that doesn't mean he can solve all problems. You can still give a hero like that mysteries and bad situations that his powers can't automatically solve.