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where are you guys getting all your rumored points cost changes from? cant find anything on page 1's first post

 Sir Arun wrote:
where are you guys getting all your rumored points cost changes from? cant find anything on page 1's first post

A few pages back (somewhere between 1-4 pages ago) someone linked a Faeit post with more leaked stuff.

There is a lot going on in this thread.

There are a few new rumors and facts.

There are people who are criticizing GW and have legit complaints.

There are people with legit complaints but due to their over negativity they aren't being taken seriously.

There are people who defend GW and won't listen to any complaints.

There are people who realize that there is room for improvement but don't like the toxic negative attitude.

Also, there are a lot of people who don't understand the other side's argument and so there'll never be an understanding or reasonable conversation until all sides actually understand what the other side says.

As I read I see people who say things I agree with, but the way they present their argument makes me want to disagree with them.

I think this new IG could be pretty good. Yes, some things are being changed and so we'll have to adjust our armies. That's true with every new dex. Some things aren't cool changes and some thing are. (I'm a big fan of the cheap sentinels.) Let's wait and see the full dex before judging it. And if it turns out to be crappy, I'll voice my criticisms. (As I did with the Chaos and Nids.) But if its good, I'll say so. (Like the SM) But either way, I have to see it first.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Platoon squads : 50 points
/ versus /
Veteran squads : 60 points +1 BS , +1 special weapon, cheap doctrines (10-15 points)


Please, could someone explain me what is the point in taking platoon squads in this situation ?
When power blobs see their CCW getting more expensive ?

Are we sure its for 50? I probably missed something, just asking.
For the footsloggers - (if) they can blob, its still one big horde of bodies using one order.

The cheaper doctrines is great news...especially grenadiers, for me

Me too, I was using grenadiers for my kasrkin (partly because stormtroopers were almost unplayable).
I understand the utility in platoons, using orders as force multipliers. On the other hand, MSU approach has his advantages too.
However, veterans are insanely cheap to the point of overshadowing most units.

What would you take :
* Scions (5 dudes in carapace armor, 2 special weapons, deep strike) : 70 points base
* Veterans (10 dudes in carapace armor, 2 special weapons, scoring status) : 75 points base (armor upgrade included).

Seems there is obvious skew here.

As the saying has sometimes gone with 40k tactics, don't just look at the numbers.

That Scion squad is better when expanded to 10 men, and with deep strike+move through cover+ extra anti-elite fire it takes on the role of a scalpel/disruption unit, whereas the Veteran squad is your frontline infantry.

Scions also unlock Scion Command Squads, which are very good SW spam units, and also buff Scions considerably.

Just a thought:

Old Vets w/3 Meltaguns: 100 points

New vets w/ 2 Meltaguns (80) + Priest w/ Combimelta (35) = 115

You get one BS4 melta downgraded to a BS3 Combimelta, but you get Fearless, Hatred, an extra body w/ 4++, and a chance at some prayers that make you not completely trash in close-combat after you blast something with meltabombs.

It's not a clear win, but Priests are cheap enough to use liberally, giving you some options.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I think this new IG could be pretty good. Yes, some things are being changed and so we'll have to adjust our armies. That's true with every new dex. Some things aren't cool changes and some thing are. (I'm a big fan of the cheap sentinels.) Let's wait and see the full dex before judging it. And if it turns out to be crappy, I'll voice my criticisms. (As I did with the Chaos and Nids.) But if its good, I'll say so. (Like the SM) But either way, I have to see it first.

Mate, such...coll head and open mind attitude... I would buy you beer

Omg, omg, omg.

Vets with camo-cloaks and snare mines, all day, everywhere.

 MWHistorian wrote:
There is a lot going on in this thread.

There are a few new rumors and facts.

There are people who are criticizing GW and have legit complaints.

There are people with legit complaints but due to their over negativity they aren't being taken seriously.

There are people who defend GW and won't listen to any complaints.

There are people who realize that there is room for improvement but don't like the toxic negative attitude.

Also, there are a lot of people who don't understand the other side's argument and so there'll never be an understanding or reasonable conversation until all sides actually understand what the other side says.

As I read I see people who say things I agree with, but the way they present their argument makes me want to disagree with them.

Takes all sorts to make a world! Here to play us out, please give a big hand for Kermit the Frog with the Muppets' 1979 hit, Rainbow Connection!

 Bull0 wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
There is a lot going on in this thread.

There are a few new rumors and facts.

There are people who are criticizing GW and have legit complaints.

There are people with legit complaints but due to their over negativity they aren't being taken seriously.

There are people who defend GW and won't listen to any complaints.

There are people who realize that there is room for improvement but don't like the toxic negative attitude.

Also, there are a lot of people who don't understand the other side's argument and so there'll never be an understanding or reasonable conversation until all sides actually understand what the other side says.

As I read I see people who say things I agree with, but the way they present their argument makes me want to disagree with them.

Takes all sorts to make a world! Here to play us out, please give a big hand for Kermit the Frog with the Muppets' 1979 hit, Rainbow Connection!

No, I love debate, I just hate this slapfight that's been going on. It's like watching two different conversations edited together without making sense.

Reduction in Vet weapons is annoying, but not unexpected (going to have to break out the superglue and hacksaw). The price decrease is nice, and makes my all-carapace army a lot more viable. PBS rules seem interesting, totally changes the role of the unit.

If the Vet rumours are true coupled with the sentinel rumours then I think my Arbites will do just fine.

I'll miss my third special weapon but the discount on the carapace more then makes up for it. I hope the Hellhound family and Leman Russ Exterminators (I call them Street sweepers ) make the switch ok and my army is still good to go.

Just hoping Vets can still take shotguns.

I just might squeak through this one

Lots of stuff here in comments: http://astropate.blogspot.se/2014/04/nuova-astra-militarum-foto-del-codex-e.html#more

In Italian though, so use google translate or something.

Apparently 20 Conscripts are only 60 pts now. Interesting to hear about heavy weapon squads as well.

Rostere wrote:
Lots of stuff here in comments: http://astropate.blogspot.se/2014/04/nuova-astra-militarum-foto-del-codex-e.html#more

In Italian though, so use google translate or something.

Apparently 20 Conscripts are only 60 pts now, Scout Sentinel 35. Interesting to hear about heavy weapon squads as well.

Ah, so my guess about the scout was wrong then.

How much were conscripts before?

 MWHistorian wrote:
There is a lot going on in this thread.

There are a few new rumors and facts.

There are people who are criticizing GW and have legit complaints.

There are people with legit complaints but due to their over negativity they aren't being taken seriously.

There are people who defend GW and won't listen to any complaints.

There are people who realize that there is room for improvement but don't like the toxic negative attitude.

Also, there are a lot of people who don't understand the other side's argument and so there'll never be an understanding or reasonable conversation until all sides actually understand what the other side says.

As I read I see people who say things I agree with, but the way they present their argument makes me want to disagree with them.

I think this new IG could be pretty good. Yes, some things are being changed and so we'll have to adjust our armies. That's true with every new dex. Some things aren't cool changes and some thing are. (I'm a big fan of the cheap sentinels.) Let's wait and see the full dex before judging it. And if it turns out to be crappy, I'll voice my criticisms. (As I did with the Chaos and Nids.) But if its good, I'll say so. (Like the SM) But either way, I have to see it first.

But, I thought, in the grim dark present of the 156something page, there can only be rage-flame?

I think the codex is allready available for preorder, is it not? So, probably no new glorious revelations at this point. Was there anything dramatically new (like new unit-new) in any new codex in the last year or so, that wasn't leaked before the release? So, if we made it this far, I guess there won't be any new tank chassis, superheavy flier or other heavy gear. Best we can hope for now is some tweaking of rules, loadouts and suchlike I guess.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rostere wrote:
Lots of stuff here in comments: http://astropate.blogspot.se/2014/04/nuova-astra-militarum-foto-del-codex-e.html#more

In Italian though, so use google translate or something.

Apparently 20 Conscripts are only 60 pts now, Scout Sentinel 35. Interesting to hear about heavy weapon squads as well.

Ah, so my guess about the scout was wrong then.

How much were conscripts before?

They were 80 before. And also, I edited the post... I'm not 100% sure on my Italian so I will leave most of the interpreting to other people. It seemed to me from Google Translate that Scout Sentinels were 35 with Scout and Move Through Cover, but it was all a garbled mess so don't trust me on it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
How much were conscripts before?

80 points, IIRC.

From the above mentioned comments section, some pieces from the IG reliquary:

Apparently there's one item which gives Favoured Enemy to bearer and allies within 6", another which makes every double dice result when giving orders result in Inspired Tactics, and one which gives the bearer 4+ invulnerable save, It Will Not Die and Fear.

Rostere wrote:
From the above mentioned comments section, some pieces from the IG reliquary:

Apparently there's one item which gives Favoured Enemy to bearer and allies within 6", another which makes every double dice result when giving orders result in Inspired Tactics, and one which gives the bearer 4+ invulnerable save, It Will Not Die and Fear.

Uhhhh...

WHAT

Apparently the storm trooper book sold out in North America... way to go dumbasses, that'll teach GW for making another $60 pamphlet.

So far the IG book is looking like more losses then gains, Im still holding out hope its not another DLC nightmare.

Sigh, my penal legion are gone... for now.

Also now I have to reform my men, an excuse to bulk up a little I guess.

Im hoping they at least sell some supplements or data slates for some extra bits to fill in the missing stuff.

 Smitty wrote:

Rostere wrote:
From the above mentioned comments section, some pieces from the IG reliquary:

Apparently there's one item which gives Favoured Enemy to bearer and allies within 6", another which makes every double dice result when giving orders result in Inspired Tactics, and one which gives the bearer 4+ invulnerable save, It Will Not Die and Fear.

Uhhhh...

WHAT

Indeed...

I won't try to translate the names of the first two, but the last relic mentioned was apparently called "Funerary Mask of Ollanius".

 Swastakowey wrote:
Im hoping they at least sell some supplements or data slates for some extra bits to fill in the missing stuff.

That does appear to be the new strategy.

Rostere wrote:
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I won't try to translate the names of the first two, but the last relic mentioned was apparently called "Funerary Mask of Ollanius".

Oh hell no. Not content with messing with my Guard, they're managing to screw up the Black Library novels, - some of the last GW things I read - too.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Im hoping they at least sell some supplements or data slates for some extra bits to fill in the missing stuff.

That does appear to be the new strategy.

Its not good, but its better than nothing.

 Compel wrote:

Oh hell no. Not content with messing with my Guard, they're managing to screw up the Black Library novels, - some of the last GW things I read - too.

Seems only fair, considering how badly BL has screwed up the fluff.

From the italian comments.

Leman Russ is 150
Tank Commander is 30
Pask is 70
Hydra is 70
He says that the lasguns from the Chimera can shoot now, not sure what he means by that.
Scout Sentinel is 35
Heavy Weapon Squad is 45 for 3 heavy weapons
Conscripts are 20 for 60 and every additional model is 3

Vintersorg wrote:
From the italian comments.


He says that the lasguns from the Chimera can shoot now, not sure what he means by that.

Maybe he means that, rather than fire points, you have a few lasguns on each side. Let's hope not...

Interesting find this italian blog. With application, I can almost understand some parts. But putting it through a translator is still necessary.
What I grabbed :


* Hydra 70 points (open top version)
* scout sentinel 35 pts
* armoured sentinel 40 pts
* LRBT 150 pts
* commander Pask 70 pts
* conscripts 60 pts / 20 dudes
* heavy weapons squad 45 pts (max 5 / platoon)
Still made of 3 HWT, but swapping weapons seems free !

Plus this dubious one :
* LR executioner 155 pts (may be a confusion with exterminator, like many people do)

ninja'ed !

More likely both.

Liking most of this stuff. Of course in just starting my guard so I have nothing invested in any of the point changes/unit deletions.

Any word about SitNW?