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Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
So Warlocks kinda suck.

and we still can't stop a Heldrake from eating everything.

Unless you uhh shoot it and kill it?

I believe he means before they decimate any 3 units they care to on the board.

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
So Warlocks kinda suck.

and we still can't stop a Heldrake from eating everything.

Unless you uhh shoot it and kill it?

With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

or the brightlance on the interceptor...

Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

https://www.facebook.com/DropZoneGames

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:


With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

or the brightlance on the interceptor...

So we have to rely on going second, getting the interceptor after the heldrake shows up, and then it has to kill it first.

Because if it doesn't kill it, it sure as hell is gonna die at AV 10.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

https://www.facebook.com/DropZoneGames

Does this include Pre-order's that are sent to GeeDubs?

Nvs wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
You only use the +1S of the chainsword when using it as your weapon, unfortunately. The Exarch does have access to the +1S Exarch power, though.

Ahh, that does make sense

And the weapons we're sure will still give +1 attack for 2x CCW even though they're special weapons?

Since they're not "Specialist", you get +1 attacks for having multiples though you can only attack with the profile of one, no mix/matching. Man, looking at it Biting Blade really got the short end. There's no way keeping a Shuriken Pistol is worth Biting Blade over Scorpion's Claw.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

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Jacob29 wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

https://www.facebook.com/DropZoneGames

Does this include Pre-order's that are sent to GeeDubs?

When you pre-ordered, did you have yours sent to a local store? You might call and ask them if you did.

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:


With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

or the brightlance on the interceptor...

So we have to rely on going second, getting the interceptor after the heldrake shows up, and then it has to kill it first.

Because if it doesn't kill it, it sure as hell is gonna die at AV 10.

Never said you wouldn't negate all the damage from it... nor did i say that there is a way to take it out first time every time... said it's an option.. if the worries of the helldrake are there, then arm up to shoot it down... take flakk, take fliers...

 kronk wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

https://www.facebook.com/DropZoneGames

Does this include Pre-order's that are sent to GeeDubs?

When you pre-ordered, did you have yours sent to a local store? You might call and ask them if you did.

aye I sent it to my local store. I'm not at home on weekends so figured I would go in person to pick it up.

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:


With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

or the brightlance on the interceptor...

So we have to rely on going second, getting the interceptor after the heldrake shows up, and then it has to kill it first.

Because if it doesn't kill it, it sure as hell is gonna die at AV 10.

Better take 3, then. Also as many walkers and wraithlords loaded with S6 weapons. Quantity is it's own quality.


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Jacob29 wrote:


aye I sent it to my local store. I'm not at home on weekends so figured I would go in person to pick it up.

Definitely call them, then. I hope it works out.

Well GW seems to be up on independent supply this time, Firestorm just mailed me to let me know my Codex, cards and spiritseer has been shipped.

My Codex and Cards are in Transit to arrive to my home in a few hours. I'm at the office but there should be someone to pick it up at home for me in less than two hours. Hopefully the stars align...

If I get it today, I may hop back here tonight and answer questions that are still out in the open.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

https://www.facebook.com/DropZoneGames

Awesome. Really dig those new Jetbikes ...

I wonder if that plastic Farseer still has Copyright 2012 written on it.

So in my current list I was wasting 100 points on an autarch with next to nothing good and had 400 points lying around for use is 2 units of 6 jet bikes with shrouding warlocks and converting the autarch to a laughing mantle biker looking like a good way to go?

 Zweischneid wrote:


Awesome. Really dig those new Jetbikes ...

Careful what you wish for, we could end up with finecrap jetbikes.

 BlueDagger wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:


Awesome. Really dig those new Jetbikes ...

Careful what you wish for, we could end up with finecrap jetbikes.

I feel like the more we talk about it the more likely it is to happen.

Quark wrote:

Nvs wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
You only use the +1S of the chainsword when using it as your weapon, unfortunately. The Exarch does have access to the +1S Exarch power, though.

Ahh, that does make sense

And the weapons we're sure will still give +1 attack for 2x CCW even though they're special weapons?

Since they're not "Specialist", you get +1 attacks for having multiples though you can only attack with the profile of one, no mix/matching. Man, looking at it Biting Blade really got the short end. There's no way keeping a Shuriken Pistol is worth Biting Blade over Scorpion's Claw.

The biting blade may not be as effective, but it does only cost 5 pts compared to the scorpions claw costing 30, plus you get to keep the shuriken pistol.

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
So Warlocks kinda suck.

and we still can't stop a Heldrake from eating everything.

Unless you uhh shoot it and kill it?

With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

edit: also lel, that Summary page on that website... Death Spinner's are formatted wrongly.

Hmmm if only there was some form of aspect warrior flyer that specialised in taking out enemy fliers....oh wait!

Swooping Hawks would have been good in the flyer killer role, it fits their fluff.

 BlueDagger wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:


Awesome. Really dig those new Jetbikes ...

Careful what you wish for, we could end up with finecrap jetbikes.

Oh my gawds, I do NOT want to see how bad that canopy would end up if it were cast in regular resin (well, other than when I cast some up for my Jetbike refresh), much less the horrible QC version that is Finecast.

In another note, though: a 6-man Jetbike Squad with 2 ShurCannons prices out at 122 points. That's just awesome and I'll definitely be building a new squad (the Warlock is something like +50 points, though, so that's less awesome).

 monkeypuzzle wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
So Warlocks kinda suck.

and we still can't stop a Heldrake from eating everything.

Unless you uhh shoot it and kill it?

With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

edit: also lel, that Summary page on that website... Death Spinner's are formatted wrongly.

Hmmm if only there was some form of aspect warrior flyer that specialised in taking out enemy fliers....oh wait!

Yes I cannot wait for my AV10 flier to be vector struck by the Heldrake and die the first turn it shows up.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well GW seems to be up on independent supply this time, Firestorm just mailed me to let me know my Codex, cards and spiritseer has been shipped.

I think GW doesn't really know the tastes of their fanbase. The only kit I can see being in high demand from this release is the Wraithguard. The Riptide was popular because Tau fans already like mecha (And it's $30 cheaper.)

If GW had redone the jetbikes and released a plastic kit for some other aspect warriors you'd probably see the same shortages the Tau release had.

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:


With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

or the brightlance on the interceptor...

So we have to rely on going second, getting the interceptor after the heldrake shows up, and then it has to kill it first.

Because if it doesn't kill it, it sure as hell is gonna die at AV 10.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Stores are ready to sell you Eldar starting tomorrow. Here's a couple photos of new Eldar product from Dropzone Games in Maryland.

https://www.facebook.com/DropZoneGames

Does this include Pre-order's that are sent to GeeDubs?

I'd say the Crimson Hunter Exarch has good chance to down the Heldrake. He hits on a 2+ with 4 str8 ap2 36"+ range weapons. Ap2 gives +1 on the damage chart and he can take an exarch power that lets him reroll armor pen rolls on enemy flyers. With vector dancer he can get into a better position than the Heldrake in order to avoid getting vector striked by the drake since most take the baleflamer and that doesn't affect flyers.

Jacob29 wrote:

 monkeypuzzle wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
So Warlocks kinda suck.

and we still can't stop a Heldrake from eating everything.

Unless you uhh shoot it and kill it?

With what? We have 1 skyfire weapon and it is only str 7...

Quad guns don't assure it will die, and the Heldrake can insta-kill anything of ours. Dark Reapers on the quad gun? yeah they're dead the turn it shows up. AP3 flamer and ignores the aegis defense line.

edit: also lel, that Summary page on that website... Death Spinner's are formatted wrongly.

Hmmm if only there was some form of aspect warrior flyer that specialised in taking out enemy fliers....oh wait!

Yes I cannot wait for my AV10 flier to be vector struck by the Heldrake and die the first turn it shows up.

What is your flier doing in the path of a helldrake if you are going first?

Keep in mind that the Tau and Eldar are Battle Bros. Take a couple Missilesides.

RogueRegault wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well GW seems to be up on independent supply this time, Firestorm just mailed me to let me know my Codex, cards and spiritseer has been shipped.

I think GW doesn't really know the tastes of their fanbase. The only kit I can see being in high demand from this release is the Wraithguard. The Riptide was popular because Tau fans already like mecha (And it's $30 cheaper.)

If GW had redone the jetbikes and released a plastic kit for some other aspect warriors you'd probably see the same shortages the Tau release had.

GW is still a business and want to make money, re makes of old models don't make as much money as new unit model.

Tau sold out since all the stuff was new plastic kits of units that didn't exist.

In the case of the Jetbike you all keep complaining about and aspect warriors. Why would people RE-BUY units they all ready have ? The Wraigthknight is new, The wraithguard got completely redone with new weapon options, Flyers are new as well.

They didn't re-due the jet bikes and aspect since people already own those and they didn't change the weapons options for them. They want people with existing Eldar armies to buy the stuff they don't have and is new. Not take the chance of them going "Well i don't need new jet bikes I already have 12 of those and they didn't give them new options, I can wait."

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well GW seems to be up on independent supply this time, Firestorm just mailed me to let me know my Codex, cards and spiritseer has been shipped.

I think GW doesn't really know the tastes of their fanbase. The only kit I can see being in high demand from this release is the Wraithguard. The Riptide was popular because Tau fans already like mecha (And it's $30 cheaper.)

If GW had redone the jetbikes and released a plastic kit for some other aspect warriors you'd probably see the same shortages the Tau release had.

GW is still a business and want to make money, re makes of old models don't make as much money as new unit model.

Tau sold out since all the stuff was new plastic kits of units that didn't exist.

In the case of the Jetbike you all keep complaining about and aspect warriors. Why would people RE-BUY units they all ready have ? The Wraigthknight is new, The wraithguard got completely redone with new weapon options, Flyers are new as well.

They didn't re-due the jet bikes and aspect since people already own those and they didn't change the weapons options for them. They want people with existing Eldar armies to buy the stuff they don't have and is new. Not take the chance of them going "Well i don't need new jet bikes I already have 12 of those and they didn't give them new options, I can wait."

XV8s, Hammerheads/Skyrays, XV88s, and Pathfinders are new and didn't exist?

 The Spiritseer wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well GW seems to be up on independent supply this time, Firestorm just mailed me to let me know my Codex, cards and spiritseer has been shipped.

I think GW doesn't really know the tastes of their fanbase. The only kit I can see being in high demand from this release is the Wraithguard. The Riptide was popular because Tau fans already like mecha (And it's $30 cheaper.)

If GW had redone the jetbikes and released a plastic kit for some other aspect warriors you'd probably see the same shortages the Tau release had.

GW is still a business and want to make money, re makes of old models don't make as much money as new unit model.

Tau sold out since all the stuff was new plastic kits of units that didn't exist.

In the case of the Jetbike you all keep complaining about and aspect warriors. Why would people RE-BUY units they all ready have ? The Wraigthknight is new, The wraithguard got completely redone with new weapon options, Flyers are new as well.

They didn't re-due the jet bikes and aspect since people already own those and they didn't change the weapons options for them. They want people with existing Eldar armies to buy the stuff they don't have and is new. Not take the chance of them going "Well i don't need new jet bikes I already have 12 of those and they didn't give them new options, I can wait."

XV8s, Hammerheads/Skyrays, XV88s, and Pathfinders are new and didn't exist?

Pathfinders got all new weapon as did broadsides.

Stores I walked into had plenty of hammer heads and Crisis suites.

Point is weapon load outs on Jetbikes and Aspect did not change, Why make new models for them ?

"Cinematic" seems to be the new GW codeword for removing ability to plan by making everything random.

Powers were randomly draw from a deck in 2nd edition. People managed fine.

It also makes no fluff sense:

Farseer: So Warlock, so that I may best assign you to serve our intricate plan, what powers have you learned in your many years of training?

Warlock: I don't know what I learned

Powers may be generated on a table, but then you get to assign your warlocks to units before deploying anyways so you will always be able to stick the warlocks where needed based on the powers they have.