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The units do seem to fit well enough but the eldar don't portray the cowardice and mob nature of the Skaven which is why IG and Orks still suite the best Black's going down the IG path and I'm converting mine with Orks in mind.

Skaven Vs IG
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Clan rats = guardsmen
Storm Vermin = Karskin/Stormtroopers
Gutter Runners = Elesian Drop Troop (or how ever you speell eet)
Rat Ogres = Orgryns
Plague rats = Salvar Kem Dogs
Doomwheels = Sentinal with Rough rider mods and Las/Multi Las
Grey seers = Sanctioned Psykers/Inquisition
Jezails = Special Weapon Teams
Globeaders = Special Weapon Teams
Floaty things = Tanks
Vermin Lord = Knight Titan (for Apoc or fun)

It fits pretty good and sits better on the mob level IG are cheap after all

Skaven Vs Orks
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Clan rats = Boys
Storm Vermin = Ard Boys
Gutter Runners = Commandos
Rat Ogres = Nobs
Plague rats = Burna Boys
Doomwheels = DefKopta (This is what I've done looks great and matches well)
Grey seers = Weird Boy
Jezails = Lootas
Globeaders = Tank Bustas
Floaty things = Wagons/Truks/Tracks
Vermin Lord = Def Dred

You get a good match but you also get that heavy mob mentality and the units fit as well (possibly not as much as IG mind you)

Keep it coming Blackhand can't wait to see the pics of them all lined up ready to "kill kill manlings"!

Santobell wrote:The units do seem to fit well enough but the eldar don't portray the cowardice and mob nature of the Skaven

Erh... Since this statement is unarguably true, I guess it shows I spoke a bit too quickly!!

Still, Orks are brutish, tough and head-on, while Skaven prefer nasty tactics and are rather frail...

So I guess I'll have to vote for IG then!

Plus I cannot help imagining a Skaven Warboss issuing the IG orders :

"You ! Yes, stop hiding in that crater! Go-go to the fight!"

or

"You ! Shoot-shoot those human-things moar!!!"

or

"See that big moving steel-thing?!? Shoot-shoot at it until I come back with Klaptrap's secret-secret weapon!"

I think its fits better with IP.... tho you would have to make less models using eldar just a thought!

@Vitruvian - Thanks!

@Rose_mountains - I am going to stick with red for the Runes, am trying to stick with the theory of using two main colours and and one opposite secondary colour, so Blue-white, Blue-black and red as a secondary. I think adding a glowing green may distract a little.

@Gitsplitta - Thanks bro, the sculpt is going to be a big project I'm not sure if I should have started it!

@bishop - Thanks bishop, my plan is to paint in a red in some way, either a red edge on the wounds or as you say I can try a red ink, not sure if I have one but I could mix up a wash somehow. Will give it a go tonight.

@Dayve110 - Wow, thanks for doing the research I promise to look at the Eldar Codex and have a think about it, maybe even builiding the models in a way that will allow them to be played with both codexs will be the way to go. My fear is that I am not the best player in the world and already have a lot of losses with my guard, I would probably have even less luck with Eldar!

@Waaghlord - I am open to eldar just wary

@Yggdrasil - Thanks, creepy is what I was going for!

@Santobell - That was my original thought with the IG, horde army just suits the skaven, I think the beuty of a full conversion army is that you can choose any codex you want...just maybe not change the codex half way through modelling it

@Yggsdrasil - LOL

@tortured Robot - The smaller model count is appealing but a mech/vet IG army is relatively low on models anyway, hence me going down that path

Thanks for all the ideas and comments guys, I appreciate it

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Just subscribed. Im in awe of your skill with gs. I look forward to seeing how this army ends up, your work is inspiring. Very curious to see some castles

great work

BLACKHAND wrote:Lol, I have like 30 unpainted Grey Knights in PA already I don't want any more!

If I was going to add grey knights for amoured infantry I would wait till I know if Inquisition troops are going to be allies after the new codex is out, I can only have so many models in an army that aren't legal

hahahhahaha that is true!

@bbruser2 - Wow thanks man, I'm glad you enjoy my work. I promise I will get to castles soon And welcome to Dakka!

BLACKHAND wrote:@Dayve110 - Wow, thanks for doing the research I promise to look at the Eldar Codex and have a think about it, maybe even builiding the models in a way that will allow them to be played with both codexs will be the way to go. My fear is that I am not the best player in the world and already have a lot of losses with my guard, I would probably have even less luck with Eldar!

No problem, it was all off the top of my head anyways (i have Eldar and used to have skaven so...)
While not being much help on modelling techniques, more so simply ideas, i can happily supply workable army lists and tactics if you want help with the gaming aspect. Learn to use Eldar correctly and they are a pretty hardcore army, but i tend to stay away from what the interwebs refer to as 'good' Eldar lists (wave serpent spam makes me sad)

Spam of any kind is kinda sad in any army,(says the guy with 3 LRs in hist skaven list ) I will keep you in mind if I decide to try Eldar, at the moment I am knee deep in Rat Ogryn and favours to other Dakkites so army lists are getting shoved to the back of my mind

Ah knee deep in Ogres just like another Shrek movie... pft on with the rat building we are on a deadline to take over the world pinky.

I need you to make me a Vermin lord god damn he's nifty though I think his pointed stick needs some loving maybe - piping with orbs and spiky bits
the Skaven diet of weapon additions.

This is looking great mate, and dead chuffed you liked my bonehead idea; the armature looks very tasty indeed. Though deep in my heart I am treadhead, I think Glass Ninjas TM are a good way to go with this. Still, it's all exciting stuff; I'll be honest, I wasn't sold on the black hands but really like the look of them now, though still think a bit more definition around the knuckles might help. Also, I think rough edges around the runes are fine: scarifcation, and all that.

The Vermin Lord looks pretty cool and I am already impressed with your Bonehead. I could never sculpt like that.

Thanks for the link btw.

@Santobell - Thanks man, I am still on the look out for an orb to attach to the end of the Glaive and I am going to hang some bells and bones where the blade meets to shaft to Skaven it up a it.

@inmygravenimage - Thanks fro the idea! I got a decent amount of work done last night, unfortunately its at a stage that it looks like its been through a thresher so I didn't bother with pics. As for tanks the Ogryn squad, stormvermin squads and psyker squad will all be in chimeras and I hope to guild three LRs so its still a mech list...I just havn't built any mech yet

@Anung un Rama - I'm prety happy with the VerminLord so far as well, but I reserve judgment on the Bonehead till he's done, there is a LOT more work to do

and no worries about the link, I really like your daemons.


Cheers

BLACKHAND

With as many really intence projects in the works as you have... when do you have time to do anything else besides work on this stuff. Your concepts are awsome. i have long wanted to do some 40K Hrud/Skaven. this is great inspiration.

Hehe , I forego a lot of sleep!

Not really, I just try to get an hour to hour and a half every night to get some progress, happily my partner watches her soaps and haunts facebook quite happily while I paint and model.

I'm glad you are inspired by the 40skaven, it seems to have fired up a few people there are two other dakkites who are working on similar armies right now, I'm starting to think GW missed the boat on this one and should revisit Rats in space

Agreed, maybe the next Tau dex

Sorry people I have been a bit busy tonight with a project for a fellow Dakkite but I did add a bit more GS to the Bone'ead armature. Am a bit stuck now as my painting station is in the spare room , my sister-in-law is staying over and apparently my epoxy resin "stinks" and I'm not allowed to use it. I have been using fast setting epoxy resin as a base for the GS, mainly to save on Gs but also because it sets rock hard provides a stable core.

On to the pics! what there is of them







I have a lot more carving to do on the front teeth obviously, Aww hell I've got a whole ton of work to do but its pretty fun to slowly build up the muscle and bone and decide how the pose will turn out.


C&C is welcome as always guys

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Once this guys is complete BH it might be quite cool to do one that has been flayed, showing all the musculature would be a great look I think.

There's something...creepy with the posture and the dimensions of the legs and torso, like a nightmare monster! That's a really good job!

Your Bone'ead is shaping up nicely, he seems pretty athletic and ready to pounce.

Keep up the great sculpting.

I agree with Hyenajoe... very creepy. Excellent job!

@Lennysmash - I am leaving the top of the head free of skin and then the neck and sections of the spine , I had thoughts of having patches of skin missing along with stitches holding on grafted patches of skin, sound lke a plan?

@Hyenaejoe- Thanks, I wanted to keep the disproportionate arms of the new Rat Ogres but needed more length in the tighs to get the pose I wanted, I hope I am getting the "litheness" coming across that I wanted.

@Gathering Storm - I wanted a more dynamic pose than the other Rat Ogryn, I figure a Bone'ead leads from the front

@Gitsplitta - Thanks bud!

Is the bone ead gonna get a bit beefier or will he stay all wiry and lithe. My personal preferance would be to try and get him to merge better with the ogryns you already have, (which look tremendous btw), by basically pumping his chest out a bit. I do like that his head literally is a bone though

Nice work so far on the bone 'ead Definitely looks like you captured the litheness there, and like the sound of the stitches/missing skin. What did you use for the spine?

His shoulders and chest will be wide and heavily muscled, he will have quite disproportionately large upper torso to contrast with the narrow waist. I'm not sure what the muscles under the arm and running down the side of the ribs are called but once I ad them the whole torso will have more of a triangular shape.

I definitely want his arms and shoulders to be as big or bigger than the normal Rat Ogryns, he is their boss after all!

@Monkeytroll - The spine is from a glow-in-the-dark sabretooth skeleton, who knew? I ended up slicing it into sections and running wire up through the middle so I could get the twist I was looking for.

Hes really coming along nicely mate another eerie creation keep it coming!

Dude, you should make him totally out of GS (or really just non-gw parts) and cast him. Bet you could make some coin on copies!

He is looking good.

I like what you are doing on the spine.

Just a thought if you are doing IG list what about putting a big ear on the back?

Would be fairly freaky.

http://declubz.com/blog/2008/08/26/mouse-with-human-ear/

Could be for vox-comms guy.

FYI I hate vivisection...

@Santobell - Thanks Bro

@Whalemusic - I have considered it but I don't a have rig that is capable of casting him. one day if I do enough original sculpts that are decent I may consider buying a vacuum pump and bell jar and offset the cost of the rig with some resin sales but until then he is gong to stay unique and original

Not sure if you could find someone local, but you could consider finding a caster that already has the needed equipment. I have someone stateside that does white metal casting (pewter). Also not sure on prices. Other option might be to do some commission work for someone like paulson games or chapterhouse. Just sayin your work is getting better and better, and you've been helping a lot of people out with custom stuff, inspiration, and pointers, I'd like to see you benefit from it.