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AndrewC wrote:@Ivan

I read through your earlier link about Lasguns.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that a lasgun has a directed energy of 13MJ? Seriously?

Because I had a look for a comparative equivalent. 3kg of TNT outputs less energy ar 12.3MJ.

So every time a target gets hit by a lasgun, 3kg of TNT explodes on their chests?....

And you wonder why people have trouble taking the figures, taken as gospel on the 40K side, with a pinch of salt.

Cheers

Andrew

Yes,sources tell us that,but they vary.Still ST is screwed in ship to ship combat.That is the energy which impact target,what is wrong with that?

I think that the main perpose of ST being to entertain give them a slight, licence to stuff the laws of physics, as long as its entertaining

Ledabot wrote:I think that the main perpose of ST being to entertain give them a slight, licence to stuff the laws of physics, as long as its entertaining

Yeah,ST definitely rapes physics,but 40k does it even more.

I spose that the novel writers diddent have to be very good at physics as aposed to english.
I spose everybody cant be sencable as us.

It occured to me that the SW univerce is at least 40000 older than the 40k univerce. The spare time would be useful

Ledabot wrote:I spose that the novel writers diddent have to be very good at physics as aposed to english.
I spose everybody cant be sencable as us.

It occured to me that the SW univerce is at least 40000 older than the 40k univerce. The spare time would be useful

Calcs for Lasgun often mesh very well,but some things are really inconsistent.

yup

Is it just me or is this thread drying up?
its pritty much decided that almost nothing could beat IOM, except for the really big superpowers, and thats just out of there leage. The IOM seems to lie someware between the ave sci fi univerce faction strength and the uba god like power of the factions like the culture

Ledabot wrote:yup

Is it just me or is this thread drying up?

It is,but some anime universes beat IOM,then we have Xeelee,Downstreamers and Star Wars.

IvanTih wrote:

Ledabot wrote:yup

Is it just me or is this thread drying up?

It is,but some anime universes beat IOM,then we have Xeelee,Downstreamers and Star Wars.

I still don't see how starwars can beat IoM... seeriously how the hell do they?

Golden Sabres wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Ledabot wrote:yup

Is it just me or is this thread drying up?

It is,but some anime universes beat IOM,then we have Xeelee,Downstreamers and Star Wars.

I still don't see how starwars can beat IoM... seeriously how the hell do they?

Similar firepower disparity,greater strategic mobility and industrial capacity.
Stormtroopers suck in movies because good characters have plot armor,if we go by book Luke and the company would be already dead.
Stormtroopers number in trillions and are really accurate,again the books.
They can go toe to toe with each other,but SW has Hyperdrive which allows them to engage any target as they please.
Problem is the IOM reaction time.
Here's a quote about Terra's defenses,Sol system planets have armor plating and there are rumours of Luna having some huge Nova cannon.

He [Ragnar] considered their approach. He knew that they had passed countless fleets and fortresses as they had swung in from the ultra-solar jump points. They had passed the armoured moons of Jupiter and the forge world of Mars. They had been subjected to hundreds of challenges and scans and they had been boarded twice. It had been a long drawn out process but it was only to be expected.

The world down there was better protected than any other in human history. There would not be a Second Battle of Earth if the terrible lords of the Imperium could help it. Even now the sky was filled with satellite fortresses; great weapon installations with enough firepower to destroy battle fleets. The whole of sublunar space was crowded with warships.
- Space Wolf: The Second Omnibus, pg. 56

And given that the star wars univerce is more than 40000 years older than the 40k univerce....
woop!

How the hell is SW going to deal with Space Marines?

Im mildly sceptical. If the movie is anything to go by, then no.

If you go by the books, i have no idea. read ivans entery.

after all. if the empire cant beat rebals then how are they going to have a hope vs the IOM

1) Size of the Rebel Alliance was never specified.
2) The Empire wasn't simply fighting the Rebels, they were also struggling against a multitude of alien races.

I spose
The whole thing proves that if you want to be a dictaor, it pays to have a better army than the other guys

Since when has the number of Stormtroopers been put at Trillions?


The Star Wars empire was beat by a handfull of rebels and teddy bears.


the Star Wars empire collapsed into many factions upon the death of the emperor.

the IoM lost the emperor, kicked the traitors butts back to the EoT and have kept them there for 10,000 years.

Well the thing is... The 40k universes cobras would kill a fleet of star destroyers with one shot. As everyone forgets that a single Apocalypse Battle Ship can wipe out 5 systems by itself!
And let us not forget about the grand cruisers.

IvanTih wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Ledabot wrote:yup

Is it just me or is this thread drying up?

It is,but some anime universes beat IOM,then we have Xeelee,Downstreamers and Star Wars.

I still don't see how starwars can beat IoM... seeriously how the hell do they?

Similar firepower disparity,greater strategic mobility and industrial capacity.
Stormtroopers suck in movies because good characters have plot armor,if we go by book Luke and the company would be already dead.
Stormtroopers number in trillions and are really accurate,again the books.
They can go toe to toe with each other,but SW has Hyperdrive which allows them to engage any target as they please.
Problem is the IOM reaction time.
Here's a quote about Terra's defenses,Sol system planets have armor plating and there are rumours of Luna having some huge Nova cannon.

He [Ragnar] considered their approach. He knew that they had passed countless fleets and fortresses as they had swung in from the ultra-solar jump points. They had passed the armoured moons of Jupiter and the forge world of Mars. They had been subjected to hundreds of challenges and scans and they had been boarded twice. It had been a long drawn out process but it was only to be expected.

The world down there was better protected than any other in human history. There would not be a Second Battle of Earth if the terrible lords of the Imperium could help it. Even now the sky was filled with satellite fortresses; great weapon installations with enough firepower to destroy battle fleets. The whole of sublunar space was crowded with warships.
- Space Wolf: The Second Omnibus, pg. 56

Storm troopers number in the trillions? Has it been stated how many there are somewhere?

Wookieepedia doesn't mention exact numbers for their Strength.

a Battalion consists of 820 troopers.


it is mentioned that after the fall of the republic the impierial army began recruiting millions of non-clones to fill its ranks.

eventually the army became almost completely normal humans(some regiments like the 501st remained "Pure")


this suggests that the actual fighting strength of the Empires army couldn't number more then a few billion at most(and that is being extreamly generous)



the IG numbers in the Billions. this number doesn't count in PDF forces, the Adeptus Soritius, the Titan Legions, and the roughly 1 million Adeptus Astartes.

What about the Imperium vs the entire Star Trek galaxy?

they would die
ST is bigger than just a galaxy.
read older posts also

Ledabot wrote:they would die
ST is bigger than just a galaxy.
read older posts also

There wasn't anything about just the primary ST galaxy vs IoM.

Amaya wrote:

Ledabot wrote:they would die
ST is bigger than just a galaxy.
read older posts also

There wasn't anything about just the primary ST galaxy vs IoM.

sorry.
I ment IOM would die. I think it would anyway.

you can't pit the entire ST universe vs the IoM.


2 reasons

1) the different ST factions would never unite. and assuming they did they wouldn't support each other very well. little to no cordination of forces, "failing" to come to the others aid( , we had to, um, refuel the fleet. sorry the 3rd fleet and those star systems got boned )

2) the IoM is 1, very diverse, faction so no fair using multiple factions.

I would believe that guardsman would be superior then storm trooper. I mean, wouldn't guardsman be trained to the level of special forces nowadays? And then you have the lasgun, which I also see as superior. Then there's armour... I'm pretty sure this is the only area where stormtroopers beat IG. Then we go to vehicles, which is an epic win to the IG.

I'm not even sure stormtrooper armor beats flak armor. The Empire often went with cheap over effective.

Melissia wrote:I'm not even sure stormtrooper armor beats flak armor. The Empire often went with cheap over effective.

Stormtrooper armour could stop 1 maybe 2 blaster bolts. Flack armour is terrible but the IG have what stormies don't....Numbers.
In most SW's engagements (that I have read about in books) its a few squads not an entire regiment. WHile when you read about the guard, its whole armies, with supporting tanks, etc.

Its a numbers game, in a ground fight IoM vs the Empire or the Old or New Republic. IoM wins, they just have more bodies to throw at the opposisition. In a space battle it might be closer but I still think IoM would win. Sure the Empire has SSD's but they dosn't mean much when you think about it, Rouge Squadron, two squadrons of "Uglies", a Imperial class star destroyer, about 10 frieghters loaded with proton torpedos, an out dated Alderiaanian War Cruiser, another Imperial star destroyer and 3 squadrons of A-wings (which arrived late to the party) can pretty much destroy The Lusankya, a Executor-class Star Dreadnought. I would like to see those same forces go up against a similair IoM ship and see who wins...

Edit: The Lusankya didn't have her compliment of TIE squadrons os that affect the outcome of the battle, but still, the lusankys could have won, just take out the frieghters, followed by the Freedom (the 1st star destroyer), then the war cruiser, wait for the 2nd star destroyer and take it out, ignore the fighters until the reinforcement TIE's fromthe planet arrive and mop up the fighters.

We need to remember though, a 13 megajoule laser is ap - in the 40k universe...

I still maintain that the Solar Deliberative could beat the IOM... they can travel dimensions with impunity - the IOM has at best 2. They can make entire populations betray everything they've ever loved with a smile, wink and an essence expenditure. They can parry lance strikes with a sword, and rape destiny to give them whatever result they want, and throwing space marines at them would be like dumping buckets of hamsters into an incinerator.

BURN

Bromsy wrote:I still maintain that the Solar Deliberative could beat the IOM... they can travel dimensions with impunity - the IOM has at best 2. They can make entire populations betray everything they've ever loved with a smile, wink and an essence expenditure. They can parry lance strikes with a sword, and rape destiny to give them whatever result they want, and throwing space marines at them would be like dumping buckets of hamsters into an incinerator.

BURN

Guardsman Marbo can kill em!

Yeah, but there's only one of him


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That's what Lunars are for, throw them on the bad guy until he goes away