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Grey Templar wrote:can you imagine the Ewoks doing that to the Last Chancers? Tallern 1st and only?


lets just say that Commisar Gaunt, and every other tallern, would have a nice new fur coat.

I'm not sure how that works, the 1st Tallarn was fighting off chaos invasion during the Heresy and theres been more regiments since.

Gaunt would need to abuse the warp's abuse of reality to go back and fight with them...

Also fur is unnecessary for desert dwellers...

I believe he is referring to the Tanith first and only.

I believe the Tanith First And Only would not have the advantages of the Tallarn First, for one thing they fought in the largest tank battle in the Imperium's history, hence the best way for them to beat Ewoks involves burning the forest till nothing stands.

Eyclonus wrote:I believe the Tanith First And Only would not have the advantages of the Tallarn First, for one thing they fought in the largest tank battle in the Imperium's history, hence the best way for them to beat Ewoks involves burning the forest till nothing stands.

Two different armies. Two different battle strategies.

Against Ewoks, I would prescibe a Catachan regiment any of them.

Nothing would make me happier, than to see a cute little bear's throat being cut by the blade of a catachan!

Theres always LifeEater viral weapons...

Or just Marines, I mean how effective will stone arrows be against AV14?

Golden Sabres wrote:
Two different armies. Two different battle strategies.

Against Ewoks, I would prescibe a Catachan regiment any of them.

Nothing would make me happier, than to see a cute little bear's throat being cut by the blade of a catachan!

Heavy Flamers.

I do feel sorry for SW fans. It's kind of hard to argue much of anything at all when the bad guys can be beaten by native furrbies.

Eyclonus wrote:Theres always LifeEater viral weapons...

Or just Marines, I mean how effective will stone arrows be against AV14?

I don't know, your going to have to read Codex: Ewoks

Now that's a good idea!

Troops:

slowed Ewok
WS = 1
BS = 2
S = 1
T = 1
I = 2
A = 1
W = 1
Sv = -

Wargear: A weird spear made out of balsa wood. Bow with Stone Arrows (S = 1 range: 1inch, ap 2, heavy 1000000).

Special Rules: EEEwwoookkk!!!! (Same as Orks WAAGGHHH!!!!) IMA TEDY BEAR! Enemies must roll a d6 when targeting slowed ewoks, on a 3+, they overcome the ewoks cuteness and blast their hides apart. The ewoks are automatically destroyed. No roll to hit are to wound are made, the ewoks simple stand still with drule coming out of their mouths! If the test if failed, the enemy unit goes to ground as they are horrified at thoughts of killing the ewoks.

Golden Sabres wrote:

Eyclonus wrote:I believe the Tanith First And Only would not have the advantages of the Tallarn First, for one thing they fought in the largest tank battle in the Imperium's history, hence the best way for them to beat Ewoks involves burning the forest till nothing stands.

Two different armies. Two different battle strategies.

Against Ewoks, I would prescibe a Catachan regiment any of them.

Nothing would make me happier, than to see a cute little bear's throat being cut by the blade of a catachan!

Stuff a whole regiment, just send in Marbo, He'll get the job done and won't even think about it afterwards but he will look like this:

Well lets see what their main characteristics are:
Only one planetoid.
No extra-celestial technology.
No form of economic infrastructure.
No form of industrial infrastructure.
No form of scientific/technological infrastructure.
Rocks.
Fur.
Special relationship with Wookies and Furries...

If your're going by what was depicted in the last movie, then you forgot the following;

Plot armour 2++ re-rollable.
Stealth. All units wishing to shoot at ewoks must roll to spot them as if fighting at night.

Bows, St 4 AP1

Swinging logs, S10 Melta.

IvanTih wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

No it cracks it open like an egg. Can completely destroy a planet in half an hour.

Did you even read that link?

I'm talking about the 40K one.

Ah yes,I completely forgot,the Abbandon Planet's Killer.

Thats defintely not IoM though. thats the good guys. If you're going to start claiming chaos stuff, the Kirk can indeed harness the Organians to melt the Imperial Navy in 17.2 seconds.

ide say that the Coalition for Palladium Rifts would be great on a small scale... but once the IoM notice its a bit of bye bye earth...

Xitick?

and i like the ewok ideas... we have them here in Aus but we call them drop bears =P

Elegost

Don't feth with drop bears!

Monster Rain wrote:

Amaya wrote:

Retribution wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the great Galactic Empire crumbled because of...ewoks

Yes, Luke and Vader killing the Emperor had nothing to do with it. And the Empire has definetly not continued to fight for the past 50 years. And the Alliance that defeated the Empire certainly didn't bounce the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Nope, not all.

Wait...

There's a SW story out side of the movies?

Just like there's a 40k story outside of the codexes?

Amaya wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Amaya wrote:

Retribution wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the great Galactic Empire crumbled because of...ewoks

Yes, Luke and Vader killing the Emperor had nothing to do with it. And the Empire has definetly not continued to fight for the past 50 years. And the Alliance that defeated the Empire certainly didn't bounce the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Nope, not all.

Wait...

There's a SW story out side of the movies?

Just like there's a 40k story outside of the codexes?

many don't agree with that...

@Ivan

I read through your earlier link about Lasguns.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that a lasgun has a directed energy of 13MJ? Seriously?

Because I had a look for a comparative equivalent. 3kg of TNT outputs less energy ar 12.3MJ.

So every time a target gets hit by a lasgun, 3kg of TNT explodes on their chests?....

And you wonder why people have trouble taking the figures, taken as gospel on the 40K side, with a pinch of salt.

Cheers

Andrew

I thought about throwing in the homeworld universe.... but after compareing the ship sizes i quickly decided it would be no match if it was just one faction at least
and then when it comes to land combat there stuffed

Homeworld at least has a small chance, if only because of how rapidly they can consume and spend resources, and develope new technologies.

But they're still gonna be hard pressed to live.

Ya. build the biggest ship in 5mins
Lol

if only the mothership wasent so useless.

ITS A GIANT 600m TALL BANNANA WITH MACHINE GUNS ON IT!

Melissia wrote:Homeworld at least has a small chance, if only because of how rapidly they can consume and spend resources, and develope new technologies.

But they're still gonna be hard pressed to live.

Against IOM,a chance,against Necrons,no way.

That depends on how much their technology developes before they meet the Necrons, and if they manage to use hyperspace to escape (it's much safer than the warp that's for sure).

They win when it comes to ftl travel.

Giant windows of uba stuff rules! + personal colour scheme

himmm. wonder how many salvage corvetes they would need to pull away a IOM ship. like 50?

Ledabot wrote:They win when it comes to ftl travel.

Giant windows of uba stuff rules! + personal colour scheme

himmm. wonder how many salvage corvetes they would need to pull away a IOM ship. like 50?

We don't have calcs for Homeworld and gameplay mechanics don't matter so we don't know?
Necrons have better FTL,just wanted to say that,I know that its IOM vs.
Warp drive can cross 10,000 ly in 10-40 days.

"Far Jump" hyperdrives can send a ship across a galaxy in minutes at most.

Mind you it takes a lot of energy to get that amount of jump, but it's definitely possible. Far Jump drives are somewhat rare, though.

Just for fun.
Idont really think they would live.
They only had 100 years since they escaped from exile so its pritty pointless to argue that they could win.
We do have some basic strengths provided ingame showing relative strength.
the intercepters have a "strength" of 20 and an ion frig a strength of bout 150. if a machine gun has a sthrength of 20 then we can determine the force of such weapions

btw liked the arguement for IOM vs Borg.
I dot get how a bunch of cubes such described could win also

Melissia wrote:"Far Jump" hyperdrives can send a ship across a galaxy in minutes at most.

Necrons can cross galaxy in a blink of an eyeL.Aside from the dark tragedy of the internet which states that Necrons don't have eye blinks so that we can't determine it's speed the only info on Necron FTL.

AndrewC wrote:@Ivan

I read through your earlier link about Lasguns.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that a lasgun has a directed energy of 13MJ? Seriously?

Because I had a look for a comparative equivalent. 3kg of TNT outputs less energy ar 12.3MJ.

So every time a target gets hit by a lasgun, 3kg of TNT explodes on their chests?....

And you wonder why people have trouble taking the figures, taken as gospel on the 40K side, with a pinch of salt.

Cheers

Andrew

Made up numbers are fun.

In my universe of uber warrior gods the weakest foot trooper is 250 feet tall and can lift 500m battleships overhead. They carry guns that fire 100.00 cal rounds at a rate of 50,000 per second that explode with the force of 25,000 MJ. Oh yeah and there's like 1,000 trillion of these guys and they never need to eat, sleep, and can survive in a vacuum. They also resist all types of mind powers.

After having a look at the game gide, i have found the intercepters to have a firepwer of 18 and the frig 4000!
bit higher than before

IvanTih wrote:

Melissia wrote:"Far Jump" hyperdrives can send a ship across a galaxy in minutes at most.

Necrons can cross galaxy in a blink of an eyeL.Aside from the dark tragedy of the internet which states that Necrons don't have eye blinks so that we can't determine it's speed the only info on Necron FTL.

Maybe, but the Necrons don't have a history of chasing people around.


Also, the Sajuuk can destroy most ships in a single attack with its massively powerful and advanced phased cannon array, but there's only one of those. It can jump rather frequently however-- capable of making tactical hyperspace jumps which instantaneously move it throughout the battlefield so it can devastate target after target with its main gun.

Melissia wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Melissia wrote:"Far Jump" hyperdrives can send a ship across a galaxy in minutes at most.

Necrons can cross galaxy in a blink of an eyeL.Aside from the dark tragedy of the internet which states that Necrons don't have eye blinks so that we can't determine it's speed the only info on Necron FTL.

Maybe, but the Necrons don't have a history of chasing people around.


Also, the Sajuuk can destroy most ships in a single attack with its massively powerful and advanced phased cannon array, but there's only one of those. It can jump rather frequently however-- capable of making tactical hyperspace jumps which instantaneously move it throughout the battlefield so it can devastate target after target with its main gun.

love it.
Bit bigger than a ion frig.