40k (Imperium of Man) vs. Anything - What is actually up to the task?

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**Jaon**

Id say clone army. Their ships are not on par, but their infantry are.

**Eyclonus**

Vorlons are energy beings, so boarding parties are going to need different wargear to beat that, also I think they can survive in the vacuum...

Also Juraigamer: Why do we want to go back to armies of lobotomised convicts over monastic SPESS KNIGHTS!?!

**Melissia**

Jaon wrote:Id say clone army. Their ships are not on par, but their infantry are.

Dunno, the infantry seems pretty incompetent to me. I mean Ewoks beat them.

**Grey Templar**

even if we assume that Storm Troopers are on par with Impierial Storm Troopers the Galactic Empire still loses as they are hopelessly out numbered.

as far as Vorlons go, energy beings are countered with energy weapons. beware the mighty flashlight

PBS's would also make a mess of them.

**Eyclonus**

So your saying Grey that IG man-spam are the perfect counters for a race of immortal angelic beings...?

**Grey Templar**

Eyclonus wrote:So your saying Grey that IG man-spam are the perfect counters for a race of immortal angelic beings...?

that or Null Rods

make em eat some phaseblades.

**Eyclonus**

Actually Cuslexus assassins would be awesome against them. Their very presence weakening the Vorlons...

Ok Vorlons are out because they have no hope against the Officio Assassanorum's Cuslexus Temple.

**IvanTih**

One thing Galactic Empire beats IOM due the industrial capacity(they have massive fleet and remember Storm Troopers number in trillions and unlike those in movies EU storm troopers are much more accurate and competent).
Their ability to construct ships is staggering when compared to IOM and they share similar firepower,but in the terms of durability I think that IOM has the advantage,but GE has hyperdrive allowing them to engage when they want.
Those thing make GE the winner,not to mention things like Sun Crusher which survived glancing blow from Death Star Superlaser and whose ability to make supernovas can screw IOM quite easily.

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Eyclonus wrote:Actually Cuslexus assassins would be awesome against them. Their very presence weakening the Vorlons...

Ok Vorlons are out because they have no hope against the Officio Assassanorum's Cuslexus Temple.

Not to mention what will 40k psykers will do to them.

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Grey Templar wrote:
Eyclonus wrote:So your saying Grey that IG man-spam are the perfect counters for a race of immortal angelic beings...?

that or Null Rods

make em eat some phaseblades.

Not to mention void shields which absorb psychic energy.
My take on Void shields that they are several things together.In short read this theory,it's not mine.

W_R waffling about Void shields
There are a couple of concepts for void shields.

As with a lot of items of technology in 40k, I'm inclined to think that there are a range of technologies used, and they are collected under a name or class of technology, in a similar fashion to Meltaguns, Cyclonic torpedoes, plasma guns, lasguns etc.

There are also instances where different settings have been described, and aspects of void shields are altered.

Void shields have been described as absorbing, refracting, reflecting and repelling incoming energy and weaponry.

Reflecting, as well as repelling indicate some sort of distinct boundary to a field, in the context of descriptions of voids as "wavering bands" or depictions as your bog standard sci-fi energy barrier. Absorbing could indicate the same, but I think at this point it probably refers to the shunting of energy into the warp, as Path of the Warrior makes explicit reference to this process, with Imperial shields void shields flaring as they shunt energy into the warp.

In terms of why it isn't described more often, its easy enough to rationalise that the context of the PotW example isn't often found, we don't often get to see things from the perspective of the Eldar, whose technology is heavily based on manipulating warp energies, and the Imperials we are mostly sharing viewpoints with simply can't see.

Obviously you can still batter your hands against some types of Void shielding, there are often flares of energy produced when they are impacted, Void shielding might also be a combination of Imperial shield technologies, maybe other existing technologies, from the perspective of the use of many different forms of defensive energy shields, are derived from a Dark Age void shield technology. Void shields require lots of power, so maybe having a simple refractor field is a cheaper option, although personal void shields exist.

Power fields and refractor fields repel incoming fire from various types of weaponry, Conversion fields convert it partially to at least the visible spectrum, Displacer fields teleport the user, although this isn't explicitly the same, I don't expect that simply openly raping a hole through reality into the warp and dumping your energy there is such a hot idea, so forming a stable, semi-permeable warp tunnel perhaps does work in the context of a void shields warp shunt.

Titan void shields have been described as setting up interference patterns that prevent teleportation, and in games mechanics terms, you need to drop Void shielding to perform teleportation attacks in BFG. I think an existing field designed to shunt energy into the warp would mesh with this concept, although it doesn't mean its true.

Obviously for various shields there is a limit to the energy they can transfer, shield generators shut down until they have gotten rid of the energy, rather than exploding, which is a fairly sensible design.

Potentially, some Void shielding might not have the functions of other versions of the tech, i.e. the warp shunt might not be there, or the conversion field, etc. This could explain a few inconsistencies.

Another tech described is the gellar field, which is sometimes implied to be part of a void shield, and is probably a distinct feature, given that some rather gribbly creatures have simply waltzed straight through a void shield.

It might even be a tech primarily used for spacecraft, given the perils of planetary warp rifts.

**keezus**

IvanTih wrote:Those thing make GE the winner,not to mention things like Sun Crusher which survived glancing blow from Death Star Superlaser and whose ability to make supernovas can screw IOM quite easily.

I think someone earlier in the thread noted that the IoM could easily survive Andromeda's nova-bomb's stellar gravitational inversion effect... The IoM is just that tough. A supernova is nothing when compared with the power of Void shields. They stop everything. Even common sense!

**Amaya**

Yes, the people who hurt Psykers will hurt telepaths who don't even use the warp.

Let's put it this way, Vorlons can turn midlevel telepaths into WMD telepaths capable of mind controlling hundreds of individuals at a time. We don't have a fething clue what Vorlons can actually do. Only twice did we ever see a Vorlon die. One was killed by Shadows and the other by several PPGs (more than capable of killing a human with one hit or cutting through metals) and the remains of a Vorlon.

I don't if the average 40k Psyker can beat a Vorlon, but if they can, it will not be easy.

**IvanTih**

keezus wrote:
IvanTih wrote:Those thing make GE the winner,not to mention things like Sun Crusher which survived glancing blow from Death Star Superlaser and whose ability to make supernovas can screw IOM quite easily.

I think someone earlier in the thread noted that the IoM could easily survive Andromeda's nova-bomb's stellar gravitational inversion effect... The IoM is just that tough. A supernova is nothing when compared with the power of Void shields. They stop everything. Even common sense!

Then I wonder how will Terra,Luna and Mars,planets which in short have planetary plating will react to supernova,but seriously I think that IOM can't stand supernova.

**Frazzled**

Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

**IvanTih**

Amaya wrote:Yes, the people who hurt Psykers will hurt telepaths who don't even use the warp.

Let's put it this way, Vorlons can turn midlevel telepaths into WMD telepaths capable of mind controlling hundreds of individuals at a time. We don't have a fething clue what Vorlons can actually do. Only twice did we ever see a Vorlon die. One was killed by Shadows and the other by several PPGs (more than capable of killing a human with one hit or cutting through metals) and the remains of a Vorlon.

I don't if the average 40k Psyker can beat a Vorlon, but if they can, it will not be easy.

You're average 40k psyker can mind rape squads or zapp them with psychic lighting.

**shrike**

Chuck Norris. End of*.

*End of Everything, that is.

**IvanTih**

Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

**Frazzled**

IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

Which is the exact same as the IoM planet killer.

The Vorlon planet killer is different. It blows the planet up Vader style.

**Golden Sabres**

shrike wrote:Chuck Norris. End of*.

*End of Everything, that is.

Are you refering to the guy who sits on the Golden Throne on Terra?

**IvanTih**

Frazzled wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

Which is the exact same as the IoM planet killer.

The Vorlon planet killer is different. It blows the planet up Vader style.

This guy disagrees.
http://www.babtech-onthe.net/vorlons/vpk.html

**Amaya**

Didn't I already point out how easy it is to destroy a planet?

'planet killers' are just plot devices to up the tension

**KamikazeCanuck**

IvanTih wrote:
keezus wrote:
IvanTih wrote:Those thing make GE the winner,not to mention things like Sun Crusher which survived glancing blow from Death Star Superlaser and whose ability to make supernovas can screw IOM quite easily.

I think someone earlier in the thread noted that the IoM could easily survive Andromeda's nova-bomb's stellar gravitational inversion effect... The IoM is just that tough. A supernova is nothing when compared with the power of Void shields. They stop everything. Even common sense!

Then I wonder how will Terra,Luna and Mars,planets which in short have planetary plating will react to supernova,but seriously I think that IOM can't stand supernova.

It definately cannot. A ship exploding can take down void sheilds. A star exploding? C'mon

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IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

No it cracks it open like an egg. Can completely destroy a planet in half an hour.

**IvanTih**

IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

No it cracks it open like an egg. Can completely destroy a planet in half an hour.

Did you even read that link?

**KamikazeCanuck**

IvanTih wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

No it cracks it open like an egg. Can completely destroy a planet in half an hour.

Did you even read that link?

I'm talking about the 40K one.

**IvanTih**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

No it cracks it open like an egg. Can completely destroy a planet in half an hour.

Did you even read that link?

I'm talking about the 40K one.

Ah yes,I completely forgot,the Abbandon Planet's Killer.

**KamikazeCanuck**

IvanTih wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Well its really difficult to compare Vorlons/Shadows or even Membari/Centauri to IoM. The universes are quite different. plus there's not a whole lot in regards to stats to compare the two.

I am not sure if there is anything to compare the weapon effectiveness or survivability of one vs. the other. We do know that they have planet killers and have no aversion to using them, at all. We also know that it tok many humans using plasma weapons, electricity, and a Vorlon to actually kill a Vorlon in person.

Too difficult to compare, but they are cool.

That planet killer isn't that awesome,it merely sterilizes surface of the planet.

No it cracks it open like an egg. Can completely destroy a planet in half an hour.

Did you even read that link?

I'm talking about the 40K one.

Ah yes,I completely forgot,the Abbandon Planet's Killer.

It's ok, its getting near your bedtime isn't it?

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Cambak wrote:YES! DAMN YOU!! YES!

Also, read the foundation saga, it's what some of the fluff for the Imperium of Man is based of.

The foundation whatnow?

**sniperjolly**

Issac Assimov's Foundation. Google it. He basically invented the Mechancus and Rogue Traders, among other things. The Galactic Empire at its 25million world peak could KO the imperium, maybe. But I already said that on page 3 =P

About the X-Wing, easy planet killers, a nova cannon will do to a planet what a railgun does to a person. Turn it inside out. Then create a warp detonation twice the size of the now flipped planet. But virus bombs are cooler (somehow) and as such are the equivalent of burning a witch at the stake rather than strapping her to a barrel of TNT and throwing her out of a plane. Its symbolic, and saves resources.

**Retribution**

Has anyone mentioned that the great Galactic Empire crumbled because of...ewoks

**Amaya**

Retribution wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the great Galactic Empire crumbled because of...ewoks

Yes, Luke and Vader killing the Emperor had nothing to do with it. And the Empire has definetly not continued to fight for the past 50 years. And the Alliance that defeated the Empire certainly didn't bounce the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Nope, not all.

**Monster Rain**

Amaya wrote:
Retribution wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the great Galactic Empire crumbled because of...ewoks

Yes, Luke and Vader killing the Emperor had nothing to do with it. And the Empire has definetly not continued to fight for the past 50 years. And the Alliance that defeated the Empire certainly didn't bounce the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Nope, not all.

Wait...

There's a SW story out side of the movies?

**Grey Templar**

That is the biggest reason SW fails to beat the IoM.

if the Ewoks hadn't done what they did the rebellion would have lost.

Ewoks>Stormtroopers

can you imagine the Ewoks doing that to the Last Chancers? Tallern 1st and only?

lets just say that Commisar Gaunt, and every other tallern, would have a nice new fur coat.

**Emperors Faithful**

Grey Templar wrote:

can you imagine the Ewoks doing that to the Last Chancers? Tallern 1st and only?

lets just say that Commisar Gaunt, and every other tallern, would have a nice new fur coat.

heheheh.