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juraigamer wrote:

Mass produced mini titans vs ones that cannot be replaced.

Str 6 basic weaponry, mass flying transports that HEAL
Tactical nukes, cloaking ( I recall the IoM doesn't have detection...)
Battlecrusiers + yamato cannon, nuff said.

After all, the originals are always the best. Today's space marines have lost sight of their origins.

Oh please, this pathetic thing doesn't even BEGIN to match with the power of SupCom's armies. One of SupCom's tier 1 "medium tanks" can match that thing in size and firepower.

There's still three more tiers (T2, T3, TX) after that to whip its ass, and each of THOSE are exponentially tougher than the previous tier.

If 40k could put up a fight to SupCom, then Starcraft is fethed. It doesn't even qualify to be considered for this thread.

Eyclonus wrote:

Dude, Starcraft was released in 1998, 40K was released in 1987; you have failed most basic Google-Fu.

Sorry I thought the majority of forum viewers here knew what I was talking about. Starcraft marines are the closest to the first edition marines of 40k, thus closer to their roots, than the marines we currently use in 40k. As we all know, the originals are the better ones, ask anyone older than you.

Edit: wow how did I forget about supcom/ta?

Just a note there are milions of titans.
Star Wars beats IOM,but loses against 40k.
ST get beaten stomped by every 40k faction.
We don't see naval forces in SupCom,if they are weak then IOM will just bombard ground forces.

Titans vs Neon Genesis 'Angels?" - what the feth were those things anyway? And if there's a buttload of them out there in space creating 'impacts' to seed life... what if say a few hundred of them took on the IoM?

I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that the Imperium is a match for nearly all sci fi franchises, bar the Culture, but it would be a fight that would irrevocably change the socio-political makeup of the IoM to fight some of the more bad-ass races out there like the SW Empire etc. Tech advancement would be utterly necessary, giving Mars the upper hand over Earth...

Now THERE's a battle. Ad mech vs imperium anyone? Dangerous Dan got close to writing about this in 'Titanicus' but stopped short.

Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

the Ad Mech would NEVER fight the impierium.


they are too ingrained and neither can exist without the other.

the IoM would lose its manufacturing capabilities and the Ad Mech would lose vital supplies and couldn't hold off the predatory races of the galaxy by themselves(even with the formidable Titan legions and Explorator fleets)

IvanTih wrote:We don't see naval forces in SupCom,if they are weak then IOM will just bombard ground forces.

Yes we do, we just don't know much about them a the game takes place on the ground.

We know, however, from both the first game and its expansions that naval forces exist.

Melissia wrote:

IvanTih wrote:We don't see naval forces in SupCom,if they are weak then IOM will just bombard ground forces.

Yes we do, we just don't know much about them a the game takes place on the ground.

We know, however, from both the first game and its expansions that naval forces exist.

I remember that there is a story(can't remember the name) where Imperial and Chaos ship battled and it ended with heavily damaged Imperial ship with overloading it's warp engines which caused destruction of the Chaos ship and the Chaos Infested world nearby became Dead World.

IvanTih wrote:
Star Wars beats IOM...

Sherley, you can't be serious?
There is no way the republic (or Empire) could beat the IoM. The only planet busting ship the Empire could come up with is the deathstar, which is massive. And yet, the IoM could do the same with a single missle.

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

You have those weird little books for everything.

Real life physics, an object the size of an X-Wing traveling at FTL would destroy a planet on impact. Kinda makes most of the space combat silly imo.

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

What's to dread?

I know ST would win, but I'm not going sit here and argue about it all day.

Monster Rain wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

What's to dread?

I know ST would win, but I'm not going sit here and argue about it all day.

Because it makes ST an ant when compared to SW.
Basically it means that an Acclamator-class troop transport could solo entire ST galaxy if it had infinitive supplies.

IvanTih wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

What's to dread?

I know ST would win, but I'm not going sit here and argue about it all day.

Because it makes ST an ant when compared to SW.
Basically it means that an Acclamator-class troop transport could solo entire ST galaxy if it had infinitive supplies.

No way. Nothing can withstand the Picard Maneuver.

Monster Rain wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

What's to dread?

I know ST would win, but I'm not going sit here and argue about it all day.

Because it makes ST an ant when compared to SW.
Basically it means that an Acclamator-class troop transport could solo entire ST galaxy if it had infinitive supplies.

No way. Nothing can withstand the Picard Maneuver.

Or his plot armor.

Amaya wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

You have those weird little books for everything.

Real life physics, an object the size of an X-Wing traveling at FTL would destroy a planet on impact. Kinda makes most of the space combat silly imo.

No, the Gravity Well created by the planet would force the X-wing to exit hyperspace.

Commissar Agro wrote:

Amaya wrote:

IvanTih wrote:

Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

You have those weird little books for everything.

Real life physics, an object the size of an X-Wing traveling at FTL would destroy a planet on impact. Kinda makes most of the space combat silly imo.

No, the Gravity Well created by the planet would force the X-wing to exit hyperspace.

Yes, because light slows down when it approaches planets.

This is Star Wars not Star trek, both aren't real life...yet
But in Star wars A ship Jumps to hyperspace which is different to normal space.
While a ship in Star trek moves at speeds faster than light while remaining in space.

So when a ship in SW is in hyperspace as it nears a object with a lo of gravity (i.e. plantary systems, black holes or interdictor crusiers when the gravity generator is on) a ship exits hyperspace and declerates rapidly.

Commissar Agro wrote:This is Star Wars not Star trek, both aren't real life...yet
But in Star wars A ship Jumps to hyperspace which is different to normal space.
While a ship in Star trek moves at speeds faster than light while remaining in space.

So when a ship in SW is in hyperspace as it nears a object with a lo of gravity (i.e. plantary systems, black holes or interdictor crusiers when the gravity generator is on) a ship exits hyperspace and declerates rapidly.

Wrong. One of the issues in the early years of the Old Republic's expansion was ships crashing into planets because they were in uncharted territory.

But we aren't talking about that. We're talking about how silly it is to compare ship's damage output when something as small and slow as an X-Wing traveling at the speed of light can destroy a planet.

X vs X discussions are really pointless because the RULES of each system are very different.

After some thought...

How can we really discuss if any other universe can beat the 40k IOM on a 40k forum? The bias keeps any discussion from reaching a philosophical level.

juraigamer wrote:After some thought...

How can we really discuss if any other universe can beat the 40k IOM on a 40k forum? The bias keeps any discussion from reaching a philosophical level.

Well, I'm certainly not biased. I only bother to mention and debate about the universes I know. In fact, that is how most people on this site are.


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Golden Sabres wrote:

IvanTih wrote:
Star Wars beats IOM...

Sherley, you can't be serious?
There is no way the republic (or Empire) could beat the IoM. The only planet busting ship the Empire could come up with is the deathstar, which is massive. And yet, the IoM could do the same with a single missle.

And honestly!!! How does SW beat IoM???

Golden Sabres wrote:And honestly!!! How does SW beat IoM???

They have Admiral Ackbar.

They'd always know if it was a trap or not.

SW Hyperdrives contain a safety system that detects Gravity wells through the distortions they cause in the light pattern. when a ship nears a gravity well the Hyperdrive shuts down.


if this safety system is disabled the ship can enter hyperspace near a gravity well, but this isn't done in the SW universe because the Plot won't have it.


this is one reason the Empire wouldn't be able to stop, or detect, IoM fleets as they leave this dimension completely. Sith and Jedi could sense an approaching fleet, but there arn't many jedi to go around. and a Jedi/Sith could only do so much to the thousands of Impierial Storm Troopers on board each IoM ship, the countless millions of the IG, and the martial might of the Space Marines(no lightsabre deflecting Bolt Rounds ) Librarians would also give Jedi a fight for their lives(and they are far more common then Jedi or Sith)


the old republic can't be used in this discussion as it didn't really have much of a formal military and doesn't exist anymore. New republic has the same disadvantages as the Empire

the Republic and the Empire would also have extreame psycological disadvantage in a war with the IoM. the Citizenry being less then loyal to the Government, large quantity of pacifistic planets, relying on Clones for the army(empire only) means the citizens aren't accustomed to the cost of war, relativly low army troop strength(caused by little opposition, at least opposition in great numbers to warrent an army numbering in the billions). when the average revolt is less then a few thousand rebels and a couple hundred ships at most the need for Billions of troops and hundreds of thousands of Starships simply isn't there.

the Death Star caused the Rebels to their pants, but it killed, what?, 1 planet. the IoM steralizes planets semi-regularly and they can do it with any ship that has torpedo bays. granted both are a last resort measure, but the IoM would simply have to do it to a couple of planets(heck they could do it to the Death Star with a callidus assassin and 1 vial of the stuff) and my guess would be 60% of the Empire's planets throw down their arms and surrender(until the mass genocide of Xeno species begins)

Star Trek has a similer problem. the IoM is very good at making war horrendous. they have a fantically loyal populace that won't cry for peace at the sight of blood(quite the opposite in fact), the Fleet simply doesn't have enough ships of sufficient size to face the IoM in open battle. they would quickly realize this and begin guerilla warfare among the stars, but the IoM would shrug off the damage and conquor the Feds planets one by one untill the Fed was only a small unsupplied resistance force. the IoM wouldn't nessacarly conquor the Feds planets according to their orientation either(IE closest planets first) they might simply take out the capital first.

I thought I just pointed out how easy it is to wipe out a planet? FFS we completely freak out the thought of a little meteor headed our way at what is a crawl compared to light speed.

I'd still like to know how the Imperium can beat the Shadows (they can't, probably the reason the discussion ended) or the Vorlons (who have ships that literally shrug off weapons that can punch into a planet's core).

You know, I just realised the first thought that would come to the Emperor's mind if this war between star wars and 40k broke out.

"WOW!!! I haven't seen this movie in like, like, well, 39,000 years!!!"

@Melissia: While the SupCom ground forces are indeed impressive (damn nanobots!) we never really see extensive use of orbital bombardment so we have to assume that SupCom space navy is inferior to much of the Imperium's Navy. That said, shields would no doubt help heaps and give extensive protection, meaning well established bases stand a good chance of survival. Then it comes down to attrition, which the SupCom will invariably lose as it is on the Imperium's terms and (short of preserving ALL their mass recovered from wrecks) they will run out of supplies sooner or later.

Amaya wrote:I'd still like to know how the Imperium can beat the Shadows (they can't, probably the reason the discussion ended) or the Vorlons (who have ships that literally shrug off weapons that can punch into a planet's core).

I can't talk for the Shadows (as I don't know what their combat capabilities are) but the Vorlons could be dealt with by boarding parties if any number of IoM ships got close enough.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Melissia: While the SupCom ground forces are indeed impressive (damn nanobots!) we never really see extensive use of orbital bombardment so we have to assume that SupCom space navy is inferior to much of the Imperium's Navy. That said, shields would no doubt help heaps and give extensive protection, meaning well established bases stand a good chance of survival. Then it comes down to attrition, which the SupCom will invariably lose as it is on the Imperium's terms and (short of preserving ALL their mass recovered from wrecks) they will run out of supplies sooner or later.

Amaya wrote:I'd still like to know how the Imperium can beat the Shadows (they can't, probably the reason the discussion ended) or the Vorlons (who have ships that literally shrug off weapons that can punch into a planet's core).

I can't talk for the Shadows (as I don't know what their combat capabilities are) but the Vorlons could be dealt with by boarding parties if any number of IoM ships got close enough.

Only problem with that is that only Vorlons know how to enter their ships. Their vessels are organic and only open for Vorlons.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Melissia: While the SupCom ground forces are indeed impressive (damn nanobots!) we never really see extensive use of orbital bombardment so we have to assume that SupCom space navy is inferior to much of the Imperium's Navy. That said, shields would no doubt help heaps and give extensive protection, meaning well established bases stand a good chance of survival. Then it comes down to attrition, which the SupCom will invariably lose as it is on the Imperium's terms and (short of preserving ALL their mass recovered from wrecks) they will run out of supplies sooner or later.

Actually orbital bombardment is used by the UEF in SupCom2. Similarly, there's planet-destroying technologies sprinkled throughout the various storylines. Certainly the Seraphim destroyed all life on Earth rather quickly, turning it into a dessicated wasteland through the use of many thousands of nuclear/quantum bombers.

The sad thing is we just don't see their space technology very much. It's there, we just don't know much about it.

And then there's the planetary ecosynthesizer. Effectively a machine capable of re-programming a planet to whatever the user wants, and rather rapidly as well. It also had highly advanced shields which protected vital parts of it from any and all forms of damage. Including rapid bombardment with nuclear missiles. I really don't know how they blew the damn thing up, I only know it took a massive amount of effort.

juraigamer wrote:After some thought...

How can we really discuss if any other universe can beat the 40k IOM on a 40k forum? The bias keeps any discussion from reaching a philosophical level.

Yep.

del'Vhar wrote:
And if Replicators existed in the 40k universe they would likely be nigh unstoppable, if they ever managed to assimilate Tau tech or Titans it would probably be game over for the IoM

Stargate offers several options. Take the Nox from SG-1 season 1. They can teleport things to the unkown literally with the snap of their fingers. Your battleship does little good when it instantly teleports several million light years away...or into a star or black hole.

If it hasnt been mentioned...The single winner for this argument in all of sci-fi is the Q continuum from Star Trek. They are omnipotent. They could make it so the IoM doesnt exist...and never existed...with a simple thought.