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Within the month, if gw is anything to go by.

Jaon wrote:Within the month, if gw is anything to go by.

Really?! It's not often models get leaked, rules yes. Models no.
And as for letting us see what it is before it's released... I summon forth H.B.M.C.

Just Dave wrote:

Jaon wrote:Within the month, if gw is anything to go by.

Really?! It's not often models get leaked, rules yes. Models no.
And as for letting us see what it is before it's released... I summon forth H.B.M.C.

We are 3 months away, wont we see an actual feature on GW with the new models by the end of febuary / start of march? I thought that was the norm. I didnt mean leaks, I ment previews!

Personally, I expect start to middle of March would be about right, but I wouldn't expect anything within the month personally.

My mistake.

Well, we'll see...

Cerebrium wrote:Dreadknight could either be amazing or horrible. There is no middle ground for a model with such a mad concept.

Thats whay Im saying, could be great, but Im expecting suck. That way Im not disappointed if it does.

It's a new Reaper mini. But I thought it was interesting that they previewed it on the same week that jokaero are all of a sudden a topic of discussion again.

Ivan wrote:

It's a new Reaper mini. But I thought it was interesting that they previewed it on the same week that jokaero are all of a sudden a topic of discussion again.

Lol, it even has the Inquisition's "I" at the bottom of the rock


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Just Dave wrote:Personally, I expect start to middle of March would be about right, but I wouldn't expect anything within the month personally.

Most likely they will put the Grey Knights advance orders on their website the next wednesday after March 5th (the day of the O&G release).

So I'd say we'll see the models on March 9th if nothing leaks before that time.

Just Dave wrote:Really?! It's not often models get leaked, rules yes. Models no.
And as for letting us see what it is before it's released... I summon forth H.B.M.C.

My powers may be great, vast and almost without limitation, but if I did everything then no one would get to share in my glorious glory. So I’ll let someone else reveal the majesty that is the Dreadknight to you.

(/humility)

In all seriousness, despite your vote of confidence, producing a pic of the Dreadknight is beyond my capabilities. I’d have to have one of my sources share such a pic with me, and if he had one he’d probably just post it himself (as would be his right) rather than giving it to me. And if my main source was to share one with me... I wouldn’t be able to post it anyway. Silly, I know, but them’s the breaks of the fast paced world of Games Workshop Rumours.

Now if you’ll excuse me, my high speed lifestyle requires that I immediately go and drift race some Asian guys.

Pray to the god emperor for leaks

Jaon wrote:Pray to the god emperor for leaks

Yeah cmon Assange i know your fighting extradition and all but we're waiting for leaks here....

Now if you’ll excuse me, my high speed lifestyle requires that I immediately go and drift race some Asian guys.

You gonna get your a** handled back to you in SC2 by some koreans again?
lol

I was just wondering guys, no matter how awesome GK are gunna be...how are 25 models going to fair against 120 orks and their kit?

Even with the best rolls walking into combat with them would be a bit of a spartapit.

Jaon wrote:I was just wondering guys, no matter how awesome GK are gunna be...how are 25 models going to fair against 120 orks and their kit?

Even with the best rolls walking into combat with them would be a bit of a spartapit.

Did you read the rumors? Free blast templates before initiative? Base stormbolters, great saves and flamers. That's to start with. Hordes aren't going to be a problem, I think.

Jaon wrote:I was just wondering guys, no matter how awesome GK are gunna be...how are 25 models going to fair against 120 orks and their kit?

Even with the best rolls walking into combat with them would be a bit of a spartapit.

Through the use of an ancient and revered technique passed down since the foundations of their chapter had been lain.

An archaic term, loosely translated today we know it as...the "Stormbolter Shuffle."

Jaon wrote:I was just wondering guys, no matter how awesome GK are gunna be...how are 25 models going to fair against 120 orks and their kit?

Even with the best rolls walking into combat with them would be a bit of a spartapit.

Actually, for the Purifiers at least, attacking them is suicide. While it depends on precisely how their unique power works, you're talking about 60 Orks charging a single 10-man squad and getting annihilated in the first round of combat.

Each model in b2b takes a wound on a 4+, and is allowed a armor save/fnp. For Slugga Orks and assaulty-gaunt Nids, yeah. That's a hard counter for them. But things like nob squads, Terms, and Khorn 'zerkers, that isn't too much of a problem.

Orks will need to use 'Ard'er units on Purifiers, or use Shoota boyz. Nids have some nice ap3 blasts for them, in addition to plenty of Multy wound models to throw at them. And remember, you don't need to be in b2b to attack. Sure, most are, but there will be PLENTY of orks who are attacking from the second row that don't have to make that check.

Sentai_Sage wrote:Each model in b2b takes a wound on a 4+, and is allowed a armor save/fnp. For Slugga Orks and assaulty-gaunt Nids, yeah. That's a hard counter for them. But things like nob squads, Terms, and Khorn 'zerkers, that isn't too much of a problem.

Orks will need to use 'Ard'er units on Purifiers, or use Shoota boyz. Nids have some nice ap3 blasts for them, in addition to plenty of Multy wound models to throw at them. And remember, you don't need to be in b2b to attack. Sure, most are, but there will be PLENTY of orks who are attacking from the second row that don't have to make that check.

First off, it's been stated the power will hit everyone in the squad, not just the models in B2B, so with 2 different versions, it could go either way.

Nids Ap3 blasts will never get there, psycannons will RIP up zoans. I doubt most zoans will even see turn 2. As a Nid player myself, I'd probably throw a trygon into them, hopefully with FnP. This is of course assuming that NFW aren't power weapons. In which case there's probably nothing a Nid player can do.

Hmmm, Indeed. Well, then keep the Slugga boyz away, and use the shooty bits. And as for Nids? Well... Good luck.

I intend to shoot at them with about 60 Bolt Guns, 6 LC's , 6 TL HB, 6 Melta guns, for 1500 points.

They'll feel pain, I guarantee it...

You know what Akira, I disagree, I think they wont feel a thing


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Back on topic. Ok lets say we have this wound on a 4+ with saves and we have 30 orks attacking 10 purifiers.


lets just say no one has the charge. And lets leave out ranged combat because orks would blow a significant amount of GK off the board with weight of fire.

So this ability (hits everyone in squad) activates at the start of combat. It kills 8 orks. we have 22 orks left. Each GK has 2 attacks (probably) so they will kill about 7 orks. Give or take. Now we have 15 orks left and they get to fight back.

GK simply cannot afford to have people fighting back at all :/ I mean this was actually a horrible example coz storm bolters weren't used, but if the orks waaagh and are fearless we wont be able to sweep them and these are PURIFIERS, whats gunna happen with normal GK?

And whats the storm bolter shuffle? Is it a valid tactic or just a saying?

Line up and spam bolter shots?


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(note the orks are worth 210 and the GK most likely 250 in this scenario)

Jaon wrote:Back on topic. Ok lets say we have this wound on a 4+ with saves and we have 30 orks attacking 10 purifiers.... So this ability (hits everyone in squad) activates at the start of combat. It kills 8 orks.

30 hits gives 15 wounds gives 12.5 kills, not 8. Add in the kills from the GKs themselves, and your Orks are down to ~11. 11 Choppa Boys gives 33 attacks gives 16 hits gives 8 wounds gives 1 failed save.

GK simply cannot afford to have people fighting back at all :/

An entire 30 Boy mob with Klaw Nob will only kill 3-4 of them, and be annihilated in return, even if the Orks charge. That's not bad.

I mean this was actually a horrible example coz storm bolters weren't used, but if the orks waaagh and are fearless we wont be able to sweep them and these are PURIFIERS, whats gunna happen with normal GK?

You don't need to sweep them when they're suffering 15+ No Retreat wounds.

AlexHolker wrote:
30 hits gives 15 wounds gives 12.5 kills, not 8. Add in the kills from the GKs themselves, and your Orks are down to ~11. 11 Choppa Boys gives 33 attacks gives 16 hits gives 8 wounds gives 1 failed save.

Purifiers have a 3+ armour save, so it's more like 2.66 failed saves.

synack wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:
30 hits gives 15 wounds gives 12.5 kills, not 8. Add in the kills from the GKs themselves, and your Orks are down to ~11. 11 Choppa Boys gives 33 attacks gives 16 hits gives 8 wounds gives 1 failed save.

Purifiers have a 3+ armour save, so it's more like 2.66 failed saves.

How do you know that? What if all PAGK have artificer armor?

I love all this math. I think 6th Ed should just do away with dice, and everyone can just do the average in their heads

ph34r wrote:How do you know that? What if all PAGK have artificer armor?

They don't. Or, to be more accurate, they shouldn't, given what I've read.

Ive never been so happy to be proven wrong.

And his point is there is far more chance for the GK to lose 2 men than one, seeing its leaning to 3 deaths more than anything.

Ok so we defeat 30 ork boys who are not worth our points. Now all I worry about is plasma cannons. A single well placed plasma cannon can potentially remove 200 points of infantry (in the form of 4 terminators)

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Really?! It's not often models get leaked, rules yes. Models no.
And as for letting us see what it is before it's released... I summon forth H.B.M.C.

My powers may be great, vast and almost without limitation, but if I did everything then no one would get to share in my glorious glory. So I’ll let someone else reveal the majesty that is the Dreadknight to you.

(/humility)

In all seriousness, despite your vote of confidence, producing a pic of the Dreadknight is beyond my capabilities. I’d have to have one of my sources share such a pic with me, and if he had one he’d probably just post it himself (as would be his right) rather than giving it to me. And if my main source was to share one with me... I wouldn’t be able to post it anyway. Silly, I know, but them’s the breaks of the fast paced world of Games Workshop Rumours.

Now if you’ll excuse me, my high speed lifestyle requires that I immediately go and drift race some Asian guys.

Oooh... Hmmm... Ehhh...

... I actually meant that you comment on Games Workshops refusal to show us anything before it's released. Or ya' know, their "marketing"/"advertisement" strategy.

But hey, drift racing and humility will do instead.

I'm curious if anyone here is thinking they'll try an Inquisitor Corteaz army with henchmen taken as troops? I'm guessing henchmens' viability will be limited mostly by the restiction of the number of each type can be in the squad. I'm betting Acolyte Warriors won't be restricted... probably how they intend you to use those inducted ST and IG models. With so many choices, it strikes me that wound allocation rules will really help them.