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Anvildude wrote:

juraigamer wrote:I tried charging a single gun drone at a marine on a hill. Actually killed the marine.

Don't underestimate the Close Combat prowess of Gun Drones. I've had them take out a whole squad of Khorne Berserkers in CC once. There's waaay more stories about Drones wrecking face in CC than there really should be, actually.

Which is odd considering how poor their stats are.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Anvildude wrote:

juraigamer wrote:I tried charging a single gun drone at a marine on a hill. Actually killed the marine.

Don't underestimate the Close Combat prowess of Gun Drones. I've had them take out a whole squad of Khorne Berserkers in CC once. There's waaay more stories about Drones wrecking face in CC than there really should be, actually.

Which is odd considering how poor their stats are.

Really? CC prowess? I once charged a single Scout Marine with 3 gun drones, an XV8 and 2 Stealth suits. They were all killed.

TrollPie wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Anvildude wrote:

juraigamer wrote:I tried charging a single gun drone at a marine on a hill. Actually killed the marine.

Don't underestimate the Close Combat prowess of Gun Drones. I've had them take out a whole squad of Khorne Berserkers in CC once. There's waaay more stories about Drones wrecking face in CC than there really should be, actually.

Which is odd considering how poor their stats are.

Really? CC prowess? I once charged a single Scout Marine with 3 gun drones, an XV8 and 2 Stealth suits. They were all killed.

That doesn't take into account the "dice" factor.

This wasn't me, but I played against a guy who was morbidly afraid of losing his Space Marine Chapter Master, so he stuck him on top of a hill and surrounded him with troops. However, this was a Kill Point team game, so his Guard ally ended up having to deploy at the front lines with tons of infantry squadrons... they bled KP like water...

Nah, it's because you had the XV8 and the Stealth Suits. They screwed up the Drones' mojo. If it had just been the 3 drones, the marines wouldn't have stood a chance.

it's inverse probability... the worse odds you have, the higher the chance you'll actually win.

In a game, my opponent walked his Necron Lord (named Kristanna Loken) across the board, in the open, towards my penal legion. 1st time I shot at him, caused 6 wounds from 9 shots, all saves failed, WBB failed. His lord had a res orb+phylactery.

1 - After watching Mephiston tear apart my SM command squad I charged him with a squad of shooty terminators so he could murder them as well.

2 - I took a SM command squad

3 - I took shooty terminators

I'm new, this is how you learn ... Right?

noahsheck wrote:1 - After watching Mephiston tear apart my SM command squad I charged him with a squad of shooty terminators so he could murder them as well.

2 - I took a SM command squad

3 - I took shooty terminators

I'm new, this is how you learn ... Right?

While I agree that it was foolish to charge Mephis, I actually like both the command squad and terminators in the right situation. (Terminators require specific armies and builds but there are times a CML is nice to have)

Command squad pays an extra 25pts and gets feel no pain and the veteran statline ... but where they really shine is the equipment you can give them ... after all where else can you take a unit with 4 meltaguns?

Testing out against a Dragiostar heavily based off Blackmoor's list, I deploy, my opponent deploys on-table (I expected him to reserve but he didn't). It's Spearhead, I have some Trukkers in reserve, and in one Wagon I placed one of my 5-man Loota units. In the other, I placed Ghaz and a Meganob unit.

Here's how it went down:
-I spent my first turn advancing forward and weathering some Psydread fire; I really didn't feel like shooting my Lootas at the time.
-He advances the Paladins to Psycannon me. I lose a gun on one wagon. The Psydreads whiff due to front-armor.
-Trukk Enters from Reserve, Boyz Disembark.
-I pop a Waaaagh! Here's where it gets hilarious. The guy was running his Draigostar maximum apart, for extra coverage/denial of the board. So what I did was maneuver my Lootas to the *far* right flank of his Draigostar, the Trukkboyz to the left flank of his *other* part of the star, Meganobz set themselves up so they'll only be in B2B with one model, and Ghaz sets himself up to be hit by only one model in turn.
-I charge. Basically, only one Grey Knight can attack my Trukkboyz, only one can attack my Meganobz (and it was the Thunderhammer Terminator anyway), and only two can attack Ghaz. The Librarian was able to react onto my Lootas as were two others, but Draigo and half the Paladin unit couldn't move to join the fight without breaking unit coherency.
-I take some casualties. The Lootas die ("I suffer 12-something wounds there...but only 5 for CR"). In turn, I punched back with something along the lines of, 4 Klaws and Ghaz. *All* attacks went to the Paladins, so that was 16 "Hits on 4s/wounds on 2s/invul only", and 7 "hits on 3s, wounds on 2s, invul only". In short, the Paladins were righteously pulped into, well, pulp. In short, I considered it a "good trade," even if it involved me doing something I normally wouldn't (Charging with Lootas from a Wagon. I was originally intending to use them for some bunker-like annoyance but I improvised).

That... shoudln't have worked. Aside from ICs like Ghaz, when you charge, the opponent then gets to make a consolidation move, up to their regular movement- i.e., 6". And then, anyone within 2" of someone in B2B can attack. Unless you're saying you multi-assaulted?

I have two:

First, when I used to play guard, I had a Primaris Psyker and 3 psyker battle squad guys hold his ground against a Chaos Lord with Daemon weapon and a couple other guys. The PSB and other guys kill eachother off (already a good result for me), and the Chaos Lord spends the next 3 turns rolling 1's and killing himself. Glorious.

Second, with my GK, I took a Vindicare along with my entirely PAGK list. My opponent took a Draigowing with a Stormraven, two Redeemers and a rhino with a strike squad (plus something else PAGK). He fires EVERYTHING at the Vindi, who takes a whopping 1 wound. I proceed to knock out a landraider with the vindi, the other landraider with a couple psycannons from a rhino, the stormraven with a psyfledread, and turn the rhino into a box with another psyfledread. I do a few wounds to things as well, but that's the gyst. He was expecting to lose something, but those dice wouldn't fail me. Later I shot Draigo and pails with some stormbolters and did 4 wounds, killing a paladin and knocking draigo down to one. It was the best. game. ever.

Anvildude wrote:That... shoudln't have worked. Aside from ICs like Ghaz, when you charge, the opponent then gets to make a consolidation move, up to their regular movement- i.e., 6". And then, anyone within 2" of someone in B2B can attack. Unless you're saying you multi-assaulted?

Yup, it was a Multiassault as I said.
-He had his paladinstar stretched out, coherency-wise. Partially so he could cover more of the board/threaten more at once.
-Remember that "Defenders React" works the same way as moving into assault, without the difficult/dangerous terrain bit. What this means is that when you React, you *must* maintain unit coherency.
-By attacking at opposite ends, one end with my killy stuff (Klaws/et al), the other with my Lootas (sacrificial attack-pullers), half of his Draigostar was basically unable to fight, for to react one way or the other would break coherency, and thus be illegal.
-Additionally, I lucked out partially. The point where Ghaz attacked was the Grey Knight that came right before Draigo. Basically, Draigo could not contribute as he could not move into Base-to-Base (he's treated as his own unit for targeting purposes, but otherwise is part of the unit), unless I'm missing something of note?

After spending an entire weekend painting up my shiny new primaris psyker (one of my best single model paint jobs to date). I stuck him in with one of my power blobs, of course the very first turn the commisar killed him. Next game I do the same thing figuring it's unlikely to happen again. What do you know, the commisar murdered him again. He now leads my ogryns into battle safely away from those nasty, nasty, commisars.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Somne anti-psyker Commisars in your amies. GK would hate you.

I was playing against my friends Tau and he set up in a corner behind some terrain with a hammerhead and a broad suit team with like 4 fire warrior squads, after my LR and rhinos exploded, he procced to kill off my entire termi squad my HQ and all but my wulfens from each squad , I still ended up winning since after that I got into cc with the two remaining marines, a lone worf and Bjorn. I think my long fangs got in there as well, still not going to be charging into that sort of alley anytime soon

Attacked hive tyrant with furioso. Big no no!

Decided to Death or Glory against a Land Raider with a CSM aspiring champion. It worked. Tried the same against a Rhino. It failed.

Tri wrote:

noahsheck wrote:1 - After watching Mephiston tear apart my SM command squad I charged him with a squad of shooty terminators so he could murder them as well.

2 - I took a SM command squad

3 - I took shooty terminators

I'm new, this is how you learn ... Right?

While I agree that it was foolish to charge Mephis, I actually like both the command squad and terminators in the right situation. (Terminators require specific armies and builds but there are times a CML is nice to have)

Command squad pays an extra 25pts and gets feel no pain and the veteran statline ... but where they really shine is the equipment you can give them ... after all where else can you take a unit with 4 meltaguns?

I don't know. Imperial Guard Command Squads Maybe?

Fire Dragons, Tau suits.

Assaulted a demon prince with my dreadnought to save a squad holding an objective. Didn't work out well.

Played my first game against Chaos Daemons the other day.

Held my own until my opponent plopped three fiends down on the table.

After watching them eat through a full strength Kabalite squad with FnP and a Haemonculus, I decided that those fiends needed to die, ASAP.

Rather than doing the smart thing, and liquifier/assault them with my Wracks, I decided to keep my wracks on their boat and liquifier them before assaulting with a unit of 3 Reaver Jetbikes.

That ended up with my opponent getting another kill point in the blink of an eye.

But I made it up later. I tank shocked his Fiends the next turn in the hope that he would try and Death or Glory the raider.

He did, and failed. Drive-by liquifier gun finished off the last fiend immediately afterwards.

Still lost by 1 kill point.

White Ninja wrote:

Tri wrote:after all where else can you take a unit with 4 meltaguns?

I don't know. Imperial Guard Command Squads Maybe?

... ok and BS4, T4, a 3+ save and can be TL.

Kan Wall with 2 Kans. In a 500 pt game. and I didn't even put them in front of my unit. Also, same game, tried to rush across the board to where my opponent (he was a big d***) had put ALL of his IG behind a fething building. Didn't end well.

Apocalypse:
I Veiled 4 units of 20 warriors, and deep striked 4 units of 10 flayed ones, as well as 8 units of 4 scarabs and my doomsday phalanx. Oh, fun fact, my opponent had a disruption beacon. Needless to say it didnt go well

1500 Pt Game...
3 Death Strike Missile with cammo netting
60 Penal Legion
i forget the rest...i think a Lord Commisar was involved


Anyway outflanked the Penal Legion and hid the deathstrikes in buildings...making them all but invincible

Playing against Orks
by turn 3 none of my reserves had come in, all three missiles had lucked out and fired...he had 11 models left

Running Eldar on Vassal as some unholy form of Inverse Tau, one thing I have become partial to is running a formation of 4 Wave Serpents, a Falcon with Eldrad (I said no to the DAVU upgrade: If I spend points on a unit, I want it to work) and 2 units of 2 War Walkers, each with dual Missile Launchers. Finally, 2 of the Serpents belong to some Guardian Defenders w/ Scatter Lasers...their Serpents instead get Star Engines and will move to block return fire/generate cover for my more fragile elements...

Firing like 6 Ordinance Template weapons at a Librarian Dreadnought that was surrounded by like 40 of my guardsmen within like 6".
I killed about 25 Guardsmen, then a Sergeant got BLAM by the Commissar and immobilize the Dreadnought.
Then I assault and blew up the Dreadnought with Melta Bombs! Which exploded and killed another 3 guardsmen.
Guess it all worked out in the end!

Tri wrote:

White Ninja wrote:

Tri wrote:after all where else can you take a unit with 4 meltaguns?

I don't know. Imperial Guard Command Squads Maybe?

... ok and BS4, T4, a 3+ save and can be TL.

Tau crisis suits. But even Command Squads can't TL their Meltaguns.

Take the Salamanders guy and they're twin-linked.