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Well I heard that Richard Gere once purchased some Finecast and then....No wait...wrong rumor.

Unfortunately, the Thunderfire Cannons I have suffer not only from the above flaws but are also seriously miscast or misaligned somehow, so the holes in the barrel for the recoil compensators don't line up correctly and the compensators cannot be fit onto the barrels. Were they Finecast, I could probably cut new holes myself, but they are not. If the TFC goes to Finecast I'll be buying two.

Ah, bummer man, sorry to hear you got such a crap piece, mine was at least doable with green.

Call me a kiss ass, but those Asian girls are cute, and I for one require at least one picture a day......for medicinal purposes.

+1
For medical and educational purposes only

Considering we have people who spend dozens of hours and hundreds of dollars have been spent on science rolling of dice... You would think *someone* would be motivated enough to go tot he store, buy a 30$ model and attempt to 'melt' it under some scientific experiments mythbusters style.

I´m seriouslly considering doing this...would be even better if I got a free DCM from dakka if my 30$ mini melted lol.

I'm sure all the "apologists" (for lack of a better term) have heaps of leftover Finecast sprue they could experiment on.

Nope. Statistics tell us that 33% (confidence unknown) of apologists in here dont even own a failcast mini, hehe.

... and if you get a mote of it in your eye...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:... and if you get a mote of it in your eye...

I don't get it? Are you saying if I buy Finecast and chip a little bit into my eye, I get to get jiggy with a Snow Queen? I'm already posting an order with GW.

nkelsch wrote:
Remember...

Tap Water: 120 degrees
Human skin burns: 140 degrees
Hairdryer: 150-200 degrees
Boiling water: 160 Degrees
Oven low-end: 250 degrees

Temp inside a car with the windows closed when sitting for 4+ hours on an 100 degree day: 115 degrees.

There are plenty of Dog advocacy groups who have done extensive research into this.

Water boils at 212F or 100C. Your 160 is completely out of whack and makes your entire argument questionable.

If you're going to go all temperature expert on us, make sure you're making correct references. If you're calling 160 nkelsch degrees = 212F, your only reference to a physical property of matter (which varies based on pressure, but not THAT much), then the rest of your assertions make more sense. That explains it! Your 115 degrees actually is equivalent to the temperatures in a car on a hot day, you're just using a different scale! I've received burns from sitting on a hot seatbelt from a car. Dogs and children don't die from short exposures to 115F. But dogs and children do die from short stints in sealed cars on hot days.

Back to Finecast: We had a kid come into the store this weekend with a dark elf repeater crossbow that had warped from sitting in a hot car. Feet were all splayed out. He got hot water from the coffee shop next door, but the feet would not return to the original position.

My big question: We often will drive over an hour with models with stuff in the trunk. Trunk is not air conditioned. At what temperature will models begin to warp under their own weight?

Perhaps Battlefoam could come out with the world's first cooled carry case.

In fact, screw that!

NEW! FROM MYSTERY INDUSTRIES! THE COOL CASE 5000! THE WORLDS ONE AND ONLY COOLED MINATURES CARRY CASE!

Our patented 'colder than a penguins knackers' inserts keep your models nicely chilled, even in the boot of your car, in a Texas Heatwave!

Mystery Industries....What could possibly go wrong?

There, it's my bloody idea, and I'm willing to sell it to Battlefoam for a couple of their mahoosive cases with foam for me Dark Eldar vehicles and other awkwardly shaped models!

And yes I'm serious. My genius mind has just vomited up a concept that would work!

Mr Mystery wrote:Perhaps Battlefoam could come out with the world's first cooled carry case.

In fact, screw that!

NEW! FROM MYSTERY INDUSTRIES! THE COOL CASE 5000! THE WORLDS ONE AND ONLY COOLED MINATURES CARRY CASE!

Our patented 'colder than a penguins knackers' inserts keep your models nicely chilled, even in the boot of your car, in a Texas Heatwave!

Mystery Industries....What could possibly go wrong?

There, it's my bloody idea, and I'm willing to sell it to Battlefoam for a couple of their mahoosive cases with foam for me Dark Eldar vehicles and other awkwardly shaped models!

And yes I'm serious. My genius mind has just vomited up a concept that would work!

Or we could have minis made in a medium that don't melt in the sunlight...

There's a potential gap in the market for a chilled case, and I'd quite like to benefit from thinking it up first

Mr Mystery wrote:There's a potential gap in the market for a chilled case, and I'd quite like to benefit from thinking it up first

Actually, I suggested that in the Battlefoam thread on 5th June:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373602.page

Just put an ice pack in your case. problem solved.

Gymnogyps wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Remember...

Tap Water: 120 degrees
Human skin burns: 140 degrees
Hairdryer: 150-200 degrees
Boiling water: 160 Degrees
Oven low-end: 250 degrees

Temp inside a car with the windows closed when sitting for 4+ hours on an 100 degree day: 115 degrees.

There are plenty of Dog advocacy groups who have done extensive research into this.

Water boils at 212F or 100C. Your 160 is completely out of whack and makes your entire argument questionable.

If you're going to go all temperature expert on us, make sure you're making correct references. If you're calling 160 nkelsch degrees = 212F, your only reference to a physical property of matter (which varies based on pressure, but not THAT much), then the rest of your assertions make more sense. That explains it! Your 115 degrees actually is equivalent to the temperatures in a car on a hot day, you're just using a different scale! I've received burns from sitting on a hot seatbelt from a car. Dogs and children don't die from short exposures to 115F. But dogs and children do die from short stints in sealed cars on hot days.

Sorry, bad googling... But that shows that it takes even more extreme heat to actually make resin and plastics go all wonky... Nowhere close to what you will get from a hot car on a hot day. Boiling water bends plastic where car heat doesn't, Unless finecast 'melts' at 130 degrees or less then cars are not melting finecast.

I would disagree that dogs and children can't die from short exposure to 115F... Dogs are extremely burdened and get heatstroke easily for any temp over 90 due to the lack of sweat glands.

Like I said... if it happens, then why does no one have evidence of it? Now since finecast supposedly MELTS (not warps... melts into goo) in nothing but sunlight! I wasn't aware finecast was made out of candlewax.

Nope Delephont.
Sadly no else I would be rubbing the stuff in my eyes too.

The Witch has power over you to do with you as she will...


Yup...
I'm rubbing the stuff in my eyes too.

Water boils at 212F or 100C. Your 160 is completely out of whack and makes your entire argument questionable.

Depends on pressure.

It is okay to leave your Finecast minis in the boot/trunk of the car on a very hot day as long as you are on a mountain top.

The first report and test to finecasts in cars was done and posted here If i recall it correctly, it was form another warharmmer forum... and yeah finecast melted in the car but their plastics and metals were intact... but yeah its just another irrelevant thing and ultimately a fabricated lie.

Next big thing will be figures made out of mercury, which need very low temperatures but have amazing details!

(I try to keep on the humor side, as otherwise I will probably be accused of trolling again. )

nkelsch wrote:

I would disagree that dogs and children can't die from short exposure to 115F... Dogs are extremely burdened and get heatstroke easily for any temp over 90 due to the lack of sweat glands.

Look, we agree on something. Even 115 is enough to kill dogs and kids.

Like I said... if it happens, then why does no one have evidence of it? Now since finecast supposedly MELTS (not warps... melts into goo) in nothing but sunlight! I wasn't aware finecast was made out of candlewax.

Must you take everything to the extreme? I dont think the arguement has ever been a pile of goo. Its been it will soften and warp, not turn into a pile of water resin mess.

Jani wrote:Next big thing will be figures made out of mercury, which need very low temperatures but have amazing details!

I rather think that his family and Queen fans would strongly object to it.
Please no homophobic jokes about bending!

OK guys, I thinking about testing this. I don't think I can be called an apologist, and I am also consistently on record doubting that finecast will melt in a car any worse then plastic (which I think will exclude me from the hater camp as well, on these one issue anyway).

I get paid on friday, and will get some test models and a recommended thermometer. Any ideas on the latter?

One problem, my bias (real or perceived aside) is that Iowa isn't forecast to get over 90F this month. Someone in Texas or Arizona would be better I think. But in lieu of any other volunteers...

For a test, maybe consider first seeing if the resin can indeed melt at the temperature stated, then have someone from each country provide actual evidence of the average car temperature of their home countries (i.e: photographs from multiple days, preferably with a newspaper of the day in question, and/or video, as photos are easy to doctor).

If the Resin proves to be unable to melt at these temperatures, then, in true Mythbuster fashion, it should be tested to see at just what temp the Resin will melt (by melt, it should change shape without outside influences other than gravity). It should also be tested against GW plastic for the sake of comparison.

And a single length of Finecast Sprue should be good enough. If it's set straight up and bends, it indicates Warp. If it flat out comes back and touches the ground, it's melting.

AgeOfEgos wrote:There's some terrible casts in those photos. Good on Wayland for not expecting their customers to return a product they just purchased---and returning inferior products before selling to their customers.

I concur

Jani wrote:Next big thing will be figures made out of mercury, which need very low temperatures but have amazing details!

At least there will be less cases about the TFG that walks up and throws your model across the room.

Just use sprue or already corrupted minis that you are getting replaced anyway. No need to toast one of the few good pieces of finecast that has been released.

I would recommend using an actual miniature rather than pieces of sprues for the test as a miniature is larger and has intricate details. Such a test would be more in line with the purpose, which is to confirm whether heat causes a degradation of quality with a Finecost miniature.

The question is how much the model will warp in the heat.

Sprue will give some indication of this without risking an actual miniature.

You need a thermometer which records the maximum temperature. I recommended a greenhouse thermometer however these apparently only go up to 50.

But if you don't use an actual miniature then people will likely call bs on the whole thing.

Anyway, personally, I don't think anyone should be leaving any of their minis in the car for any reason. For one thing, I've read too many stories about people having entire armies stolen because of that, but also because it's such a no-brainer that I'm shocked this discussion went on for over a page. If you leave your plastic/resin models in extreme heat for an extended period of time, they'll warp, you don't NEED to conduct some stupid fething experiment to "test" it because it's already common knowledge that heat warps the stuff, it's how you fix bent parts. I know the point is more about Finecast having a lower "melting point", but seriously, why even try it? Just don't leave your gak out in the car! And if you do you're fething stupid!

I'm not sure what most people here drive, but if your car is big enough I'd recommend sticking them in the backseat instead of the trunk, so they'll at least be in the AC.

* armory brand - for medium quality work.

Actually I would recommend against that, Armory brand primer is possibly the worst paint I've ever used. Every single can I ever purchased was complete garbage. If you're looking for a cheap spray primer I would buy Dupli-Color sandable primer from an auto parts store, it's only about $5-6 and comes out pretty fine. Obviously airbrushing primer is the best method but not everyone has an airbrush set-up (I'm still working on it, need a compressor that isn't REALLY LOUD).

I just have to throw this out there. The part of california i am from hits well over 100 for long stretches in summer. couple of years ago it was 115. does that mean that all the little kids and dogs died and there was a cover up or something to hide this massed death.

sennacherib wrote:I just have to throw this out there. The part of california i am from hits well over 100 for long stretches in summer. couple of years ago it was 115. does that mean that all the little kids and dogs died and there was a cover up or something to hide this massed death.

Depends, how many of the little kids and dogs were locked in a trunk all day?

Sidstyler wrote:But if you don't use an actual miniature then people will likely call bs on the whole thing.

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A figure like object glued together from sprue will give a good enough indication for most people.

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Simply being in heated air will not cause a problem.

You preach about common sense, yet you do not apply ANY common sense to your posts.

The complaints are about transporting your army during hot days which is left in the car. ( which is common and long months even here in Canada )
You speak of resin kits been ok in you attic.

Well you see, too bad most of the CONTENTS we carry are not un built resin kits. But are in fact ( very common )
to be Assembled and PAINTED resin. which is the one most susceptible to the heat. Why? because thats when we carry our PAINTED armies
in our PROTECTIVE CASE , which is when the pressure of the foam +the HEAT causes the warps the material.

You are been obtuse on purpose and dodging the situation.

I don't know why you try to reason with that person. It's easier to put that person on Ignore list and never to have to deal with that person's posts again. Many times has that person proved that arguing your point is like bashing your head on a wall.