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Alkasyn wrote:I don't know why you try to reason with that person. It's easier to put that person on Ignore list and never to have to deal with that person's posts again. Many times has that person proved that arguing your point is like bashing your head on a wall.

Where's the fun in that?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Alkasyn wrote:I don't know why you try to reason with that person. It's easier to put that person on Ignore list and never to have to deal with that person's posts again. Many times has that person proved that arguing your point is like bashing your head on a wall.

Where's the fun in that?

Sometimes the cost of being annoyed outweights the fun. It did for me

I might just try this my FLGS still hasn't gotten there fine cost yet. When they do I will get the cheapest model I don't like and paint it up stick it on my dashboard. If it survives the summer I will buy more if it don't ebay for me or build plastic versions of my missing chars from now on.

Alkasyn wrote:Sometimes the cost of being annoyed outweights the fun. It did for me

Without singling anyone specific out, I find some of the torturous logic used to defend the indefensible - to have gone from interesting to annoying to amusing. If you ignore them you're missing out on some really lulzy explanations on why, say, models that are missing pieces, have chunks of missing detail, and had a price hike to boot are actually totally sweet, using all the psychology and mindset you'd expect of a battered wife.

Putting that aside though, being a full time defender of all things GWS is at best a small facet of any given poster. Just because a person has a pathological need to polish figurative turds doesn't mean they don't have good advice on painting, or modelling, or are otherwise an OK person. So despite the last 2 paragraphs of my reducing a person to a caricature, I will now hypocritically advise you not to do the same.

Ouze wrote:So despite the last 2 paragraphs of my reducing a person to a caricature, I will now hypocritically advise you not to do the same.

Where's the fun in that... wait I just said that didn't I?

Kilkrazy wrote:A figure like object glued together from sprue will give a good enough indication for most people.

A stick man made of Finecast sprues...go go go!

Tabletop Lowry fantasy wargaming, now there's a thought.
Wonder if it will ever catch on.

Make a nid
Then it would be a stick insect
*groan*

Just a thought: Could we get a sticky where people can show off their Finecast problems?

Like a support group!

Can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

Yes. Here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378855.page

So my friend just unboxed his new DE Haemonculus and its missing a finger!

In this special case, it is very fluffy, as Haemunculi store a part of their finger at home in case they die in mission, so they can be resurrected

JustPlainJim wrote:Just a thought: Could we get a sticky where people can show off their Finecast problems?

Like a support group!

Can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

Oh, that's fine, just take some superglue and put some in the... uh... huh. Maybe you put the superglue... well, no, that's not right either. Uh, wait I got it.

Games Workshop Uniquecast miniatures!! Every last model is uniquely crafted. One of a kind!

sonofruss wrote:I might just try this my FLGS still hasn't gotten there fine cost yet. When they do I will get the cheapest model I don't like and paint it up stick it on my dashboard. If it survives the summer I will buy more if it don't ebay for me or build plastic versions of my missing chars from now on.

My Painboy is sitting on the dashboard of my car in direct sun as we speak... but I don't think today will be hot enough to do anything.

Here are the 3 experiments I plan on running:

*A model sitting in direct sun inside a car. This will test if the material will naturally 'droop' from heat and gravity. Also, for exposed models in the sun.
*A model smooshed between foam (slight pressure) in a case. I am unsure if models in a trunk/case get 'hotter' than the areas with direct sun. I am also unsure if pressure from foam and the heat will cause bending.
*A model with active pressure applied in the heat of a car. I plan to take a sprue, and pull it in such a way with a rubber band that it is being 'pulled' with heavy pressure in such a way to bend. If it is hot enough inside the car, it should be all bent when I get back.

It may not get hot enough this weekm but I am going to the beach this weekend where my car will sit for 3-5 days. So I think I will just 'set up' the experiment and let it go and see how it ends up after the holiday.

Also, Gandalf is only about 35$, so I might go buy him to use instead of my orks without flaws. I have noticed why Gandalf is a good model... his staff is straight as an arrow and visibly should be easy to tell any drooping or warping.

I will try to take some pictures tonight of the pre-experiment if I can find a Gandalf model after work.

Any other 'scenarios' you guys want tested? I was also thinking of Testing some of the paint stripping techniques as I have a whole lot of simple green. Maybe Gandalf can be our Finecast test dummy...

nkelsch wrote:
Tap Water: 120 degrees
Human skin burns: 140 degrees
Hairdryer: 150-200 degrees
Boiling water: 160 Degrees
Oven low-end: 250 degrees

I am deeply disappointed that one pointed out that water boils at 212 deg F not 160.

Edit: never mind, Gymnogyps caught it a page later.

Wehrkind wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Tap Water: 120 degrees
Human skin burns: 140 degrees
Hairdryer: 150-200 degrees
Boiling water: 160 Degrees
Oven low-end: 250 degrees

I am deeply disappointed that one pointed out that water boils at 212 deg F not 160.

Gymnogyps wrote:

Water boils at 212F or 100C. Your 160 is completely out of whack and makes your entire argument questionable.

"Because he is ONLY about 35$"

filbert wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Tap Water: 120 degrees
Human skin burns: 140 degrees
Hairdryer: 150-200 degrees
Boiling water: 160 Degrees
Oven low-end: 250 degrees

I am deeply disappointed that one pointed out that water boils at 212 deg F not 160.

Gymnogyps wrote:

Water boils at 212F or 100C. Your 160 is completely out of whack and makes your entire argument questionable.

Yea saw that later. Still doesn't explain why YOU didn't catch it Filbert! FOR SHAME!

Wehrkind wrote:

Yea saw that later. Still doesn't explain why YOU didn't catch it Filbert! FOR SHAME!

Ah I see! that's because I only think in degrees C. Dammit US, get with the program!

Why would anyone leave their models in their car in the first place? Not even talking about finecast but plastics too, if it gets hot enough of course it's gonna melt.. same as if you'd leave old records in your truck (if you're old like me and were born long enough ago to know what a record is).

It's just something that shouldn't be done... It's like common sense.

I got a plastic carnifex once and one of the frames was totally melted and warped like it was left in a hot car. GW gave me a new one so I got a lot of free bitz out of it

So my friend just unboxed his new DE Haemonculus and its missing a finger!

Just call him Dave Allen and he is are good to go.
And may your God go with you.

NAVARRO wrote:"Because he is ONLY about 35$"

Yeah... 35 dollars for Gandalf on foot and Gandalf on a horse 2-pack doesn't seem like a lot of money to me in the grand scheme of things and the cost of most model companies now adays.

And he is only 33$... Even better.

Personally, I am actually curious about paint stripping finecast and heat issues and just want to see how far I can push the material so if I get 33$ of enjoyment out of the model then it is worth every penny. And if I am lucky, I might have a neat Gandalf model painted up on my shelf at the end of this.

nkelsch wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:"Because he is ONLY about 35$"

Yeah... 35 dollars for Gandalf on foot and Gandalf on a horse 2-pack doesn't seem like a lot of money to me in the grand scheme of things and the cost of most model companies now adays.

And he is only 33$... Even better.

Personally, I am actually curious about paint stripping finecast and heat issues and just want to see how far I can push the material so if I get 33$ of enjoyment out of the model then it is worth every penny. And if I am lucky, I might have a neat Gandalf model painted up on my shelf at the end of this.

You and I have totally different ideas of how to enjoy a miniature then. Spend 35, 33 on miniatures just to try to burn them its just something I cannot understand, but hey good that your so detached from your miniatures to this point... have fun and report the thing.

Necros wrote:Why would anyone leave their models in their car in the first place? Not even talking about finecast but plastics too, if it gets hot enough of course it's gonna melt.. same as if you'd leave old records in your truck (if you're old like me and were born long enough ago to know what a record is).

It's just something that shouldn't be done... It's like common sense.

I got a plastic carnifex once and one of the frames was totally melted and warped like it was left in a hot car. GW gave me a new one so I got a lot of free bitz out of it

Well, for some people, they might have other errands to run besides just buying hobby stuff. Or as some people have stated, the store might be quite far and require a long hot drive.

nkelsch wrote:
Here are the 3 experiments I plan on running:

*A model sitting in direct sun inside a car. This will test if the material will naturally 'droop' from heat and gravity. Also, for exposed models in the sun.
*A model smooshed between foam (slight pressure) in a case. I am unsure if models in a trunk/case get 'hotter' than the areas with direct sun. I am also unsure if pressure from foam and the heat will cause bending.
*A model with active pressure applied in the heat of a car. I plan to take a sprue, and pull it in such a way with a rubber band that it is being 'pulled' with heavy pressure in such a way to bend. If it is hot enough inside the car, it should be all bent when I get back.

It may not get hot enough this weekm but I am going to the beach this weekend where my car will sit for 3-5 days. So I think I will just 'set up' the experiment and let it go and see how it ends up after the holiday.

The beach is a great place to do it.

Further, if possible later on, assuming there is some softening, try the same with the heat and car in the shade.

Dr_Chin wrote:So my friend just unboxed his new DE Haemonculus and its missing a finger!

He's obviously the DE Haemonculus from the the Salamander novel that cut off his finger in order to resurrect himself after being executed. You've got a special edition... or just par for the course with Finecast unfortunately.

Necros wrote:Why would anyone leave their models in their car in the first place? Not even talking about finecast but plastics too, if it gets hot enough of course it's gonna melt.. same as if you'd leave old records in your truck (if you're old like me and were born long enough ago to know what a record is).

Because you get in late and forget, and it gets hot the next day? Because your coming from work to game with friends? Because you have stuff to do before gaming, like drop off movies for the wife or other errands?

There are a host of valid reasons to have them in the car before going out.

NAVARRO wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:"Because he is ONLY about 35$"

Yeah... 35 dollars for Gandalf on foot and Gandalf on a horse 2-pack doesn't seem like a lot of money to me in the grand scheme of things and the cost of most model companies now adays.

And he is only 33$... Even better.

Personally, I am actually curious about paint stripping finecast and heat issues and just want to see how far I can push the material so if I get 33$ of enjoyment out of the model then it is worth every penny. And if I am lucky, I might have a neat Gandalf model painted up on my shelf at the end of this.

You and I have totally different ideas of how to enjoy a miniature then. Spend 35, 33 on miniatures just to try to burn them its just something I cannot understand, but hey good that your so detached from your miniatures to this point... have fun and report the thing.

Considering I have 50000-60000 points of GW orks... it is not unheard of that I will probably be buying a lot of this material if they release new models like MANZ or other ork things in this material. I have over a decade of experience with GW's metals and plastics so it might not be a bad idea to get familiar with the product if I plan on using it in the future. I would like to know its strengths and limitations.

I also don't believe gandalf will look like a pile of goo at the end of this... so even if he does warp, I can bend him back to normal and paint him so I will still have Gandalf models... The sprue material will be my first test for paint stripping so if simple green makes the thing dissolve like an alka seltzer tablet then I won't do it on the real model.

I am not smashing an Xbox in a best buy parking lot or anything.

Well, I have to give him props for putting his money where his mouth is. As far as I know he's the only one to do so. I personally do not think the model will 'melt', it will likely deform or warp. My biggest concern is about stripping the model and how the material will react to the common stripping methods used on Dakka. I'm not encouraged the material will stand up to such harsh chemical baths but who knows, it may be more resilient. The only way to know is to test it.

nkelsch could you start a new thread instead of posting that here, just seems it needs it's own.

Rymafyr wrote:Well, I have to give him props for putting his money where his mouth is. As far as I know he's the only one to do so. I personally do not think the model will 'melt', it will likely deform or warp. My biggest concern is about stripping the model and how the material will react to the common stripping methods used on Dakka. I'm not encouraged the material will stand up to such harsh chemical baths but who knows, it may be more resilient. The only way to know is to test it.

nkelsch could you start a new thread instead of posting that here, just seems it needs it's own.

I will make a dakka article and a thread once I get my hands on a Gandalf.

JustPlainJim wrote:Just a thought: Could we get a sticky where people can show off their Finecast problems?

Like a support group!

Can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

yes its a Dark Angel back pack....

I think this is a good decision by Wayland Games, after all what is that saying?

Customer is King.

If you look after us, well come and give you our money.