GW price increase.

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**notprop**

I imagine that GW are looking at what people are willing to pay for FW and bringing the plastic kits in line with this. While I can appreciate the difference between the two, with GWs past form on ignoring the difference in materials when setting cost, and working on the basis that the customer is willing to stomach £x for a LR Proteus so why not a regular one.

Also prepare for some other sections of the industry to follow suit with their rises in the near future.

**Nictolopy**

Removed for my own apparent stupidity.

**LunaHound**

Surtur wrote:Is this real? I mean will someone come out and say, "nah, just trollin you guys!"? This inflation is just stupid beyond belief. I think forgeworld is cheaper if these prices are true...

Justifications for GW pricings are always by denial. It'll never change.

**Farseer Mael Dannan**

A friend of mine called the Games-Workshop in Orlando, FL that we go to and inquired about the price increase. The person who runs the story (there is only one employee, and it is his franchise of GW) said that the released price increase list was a hoax. He continued on to say that less than 30% of the overall line up (between all GW games) are having any price increase, and that most of the price increased don't break $1 USD. He said the only ones he was informed about that broke $1 USD price raise were exclusively Metal figures. He also said that for the most part, the things that are having a very mild bump in price are the figures not touched over the last 3 years of price increase.

Hard to say if what he is saying is legit or not, but the guy has been VERY good to us about releases/rumors before. Our gaming group pretty much exclusively buys from him and he's been pretty spot on in the past.

**Altruizine**

LunaHound wrote:
Bluetau wrote:None of the spreadsheets have a GW logo on them and its not too far off to think that this is just an elaborate rumor going around.

I believe the prices will rise, but not nearly as much as the spreadsheet shows.

I mean come on, 75 for a LR and 82 for a stormraven?

What make you think such prices are ludicrous at all?

I can convince you rather easily.

Have a Tab on XE currency , calculate worth of US dollar, Canadian Dollar, Aus Dollars.

Go to GW, select those 3 countries.

Compare prices.

Voila, 100% possible of such stupid increase.

All sorts of industries play these games, so it's hard to finger GW as especially evil in this regard. Buying a book or a car in Canada will make you feel equally ripped off.

I'm disappointed about the Canadian price increase. I wish I could buy what I want (2 boxes of Black Knights, 2 T-fexes) and call it a hobby, but I can't afford them before may 28.

**LunaHound**

Surtur wrote:Current inflation is 2.3%

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/currentinflation.asp

Land Raider inflation is 13.6% according to the list.

Even if GW's "adjusting for inflation" bull poop line was legit, it wouldn't be legit.

Surtur wrote:Is this real? I mean will someone come out and say, "nah, just trollin you guys!"? This inflation is just stupid beyond belief. I think forgeworld is cheaper if these prices are true...

Justifications for GW pricings are always by denial. It'll never change.

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Altruizine wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Bluetau wrote:None of the spreadsheets have a GW logo on them and its not too far off to think that this is just an elaborate rumor going around.

I believe the prices will rise, but not nearly as much as the spreadsheet shows.

I mean come on, 75 for a LR and 82 for a stormraven?

What make you think such prices are ludicrous at all?

I can convince you rather easily.

Have a Tab on XE currency , calculate worth of US dollar, Canadian Dollar, Aus Dollars.

Go to GW, select those 3 countries.

Compare prices.

Voila, 100% possible of such stupid increase.

All sorts of industries play these games, so it's hard to finger GW as especially evil in this regard. Buying a book or a car in Canada will make you feel equally ripped off.

You are missing the point. The point is such prices are not far fetched like the fans are claiming.

**Tor Gaming**

Nictolopy wrote:
Tor Gaming wrote:No, RRP (Or MSRP) includes the VAT. In the UK all prices the customer sees, if that customer is a member of the public, has to include VAT. So, the prices shown on on-line stores that the public use should include the VAT.

If you are ordering from out side the EU, when you fill in your address the cart should automatically adjust the prices to not include the VAT. For example, if you look at our store - store.torgaming.co.uk - the prices include the vat. Now create an account with a non-EU address and when logged in the prices change to not include VAT.

Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!

Uh... No. That is wrong. The VAT is charged to the company for the product they made/sold whatever. The price is then increased and the costs are passed onto the consumer, whoever they are, so the company doesn't lose money. The government doesn't care who you sell an Ork to. They just want the VAT they charged paid. The listed price incorporates the cost into the price of the item. The beauty of this for the government is that the consumer doesn't get out of paying it whether the item is sold to a Brit or some poor Warhammer in Djibouti. Tax revenues are much more secure. In the US, state sales taxes have taken a nosedive due to the internet. I live in Michigan, and I buy something online from a company that is also in Michigan, they are required to charge me 6% sales tax. If I buy something online from a company that is outside of the state they don't charge me any sales tax. I am supposed to pay that tax when I file me state income taxes each year. I am supposed to pay a use tax on my state tax return for purchases made online out of state, volunteering the tax for all those Amazon.com purchases I have made over the last year.... Which of course I do... Now since most people do not do that, the states lose out on the tax. If they states add the VAT at some point, which they might, then they tax the makers of the product and not the buyers, and those makers will rasie the price accordingly to ALL customers so they don't LOSE money per sale. If you are buying anything from a country with VAT, you will pay it. There is no profit for the company to not pass that onto the customer. They'd lose money.

Actually, No, I am right - I file VAT returns every year so am use to it by now.

VAT is charged at every step of the process but can be claimed back if the purchaser is VAT registered.

For example, I order new casts from my caster, he charges me his price plus VAT. I then claim that VAT back from the UK government. I then sell those casting to the public and charge VAT that I pay to the government.

Unless that sale is going to a location outside the EU.

Anyone outside the EU DO NOT pay vat on items they buy from within the EU. I DO NOT then pay the VAT to the government for that sale because it is not a EU resident buying the product so it attracted no VAT.

This may be useful to read, especially "VAT on imports and exports":

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/index_en.htm

For the purpose of exports between the Community and non-member countries, no VAT is charged on the transaction and the VAT already paid on the inputs of the good for export is deducted - this is an exemption with the right to deduct the input VAT, sometimes called 'zero-rating'. There is thus no residual VAT contained in the export price.

**Grimtuff**

notprop wrote:I imagine that GW are looking at what people are willing to pay for FW and bringing the plastic kits in line with this. While I can appreciate the difference between the two, with GWs past form on ignoring the difference in materials when setting cost, and working on the basis that the customer is willing to stomach £x for a LR Proteus so why not a regular one.

Because FW models are specialist and/or add on kits for experienced modellers that fulfill an even smaller niche within the GW pantheon as it were. FW's models are not supposed to be shifted in the quantities equivalent to GW.

If they truly believe this is the case, then....

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Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:A friend of mine called the Games-Workshop in Orlando, FL that we go to and inquired about the Price Increase. The person who runs the story (there is only one employee, and it is his franchise of GW) said that the released price increase list was a hoax. He continued on to say that less than 30% of the overall line up (between all GW games) are having any price increase, and that most of the price increased don't break $1 USD. He said the only ones he was informed about that broke $1 USD price raise were exclusively Metal figures. He also said that for the most part, the things that are having a very mild bump in price are the figures not touched over the last 3 years of price increase.

Hard to say if what he is saying is legit or not, but the guy has been VERY good to us about releases/rumors before. Our gaming group pretty much exclusively buys from him and he's been pretty spot on in the past.

Of course he's going to say something like that to Johnny-come-lately random customer over the phone, for all he knows it could be a manager or a mystery shopper and confirming something the company at large has not done yet could cost him his job.

**Noir**

Nictolopy wrote:
Tor Gaming wrote:No, RRP (Or MSRP) includes the VAT. In the UK all prices the customer sees, if that customer is a member of the public, has to include VAT. So, the prices shown on on-line stores that the public use should include the VAT.

If you are ordering from out side the EU, when you fill in your address the cart should automatically adjust the prices to not include the VAT. For example, if you look at our store - store.torgaming.co.uk - the prices include the vat. Now create an account with a non-EU address and when logged in the prices change to not include VAT.

Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!

Uh... No. That is wrong. The VAT is charged to the company for the product they made/sold whatever. The price is then increased and the costs are passed onto the consumer, whoever they are, so the company doesn't lose money. The government doesn't care who you sell an Ork to. They just want the VAT they charged paid. The listed price incorporates the cost into the price of the item. The beauty of this for the government is that the consumer doesn't get out of paying it whether the item is sold to a Brit or some poor Warhammer in Djibouti. Tax revenues are much more secure. In the US, state sales taxes have taken a nosedive due to the internet. I live in Michigan, and I buy something online from a company that is also in Michigan, they are required to charge me 6% sales tax. If I buy something online from a company that is outside of the state they don't charge me any sales tax. I am supposed to pay that tax when I file me state income taxes each year. I am supposed to pay a use tax on my state tax return for purchases made online out of state, volunteering the tax for all those Amazon.com purchases I have made over the last year.... Which of course I do... Now since most people do not do that, the states lose out on the tax. If they states add the VAT at some point, which they might, then they tax the makers of the product and not the buyers, and those makers will rasie the price accordingly to ALL customers so they don't LOSE money per sale. If you are buying anything from a country with VAT, you will pay it. There is no profit for the company to not pass that onto the customer. They'd lose money.

Umm... what. Almost every country that has VAT exempt all VAT payments on export good. It funny to me you think you know more about VAT law the a guy running a company in a country that has VAT, when here in the US we don't use VAT tax.

Edit: ninja

**RatBot**

pretre wrote:
RatBot wrote:3.) It should be obvious by now that GW is not necessarily interested in growing and expanding their games, but in maximizing short term profits at the expense of long term growth until the board can retire fat and happy. Their strategy is to hook in new players for a month or two and a couple hundred bucks, and then discard them. They don't want long-term customers.

This is often quoted, but I would love to see a reference or citation for this.

I freely admit that I have no actual evidence of this. However, it's the explanation that makes the most sense; despite dwindling sales volumes in every investor report, profits are always up ever so slightly, or remain flat. To me, this strategy of raising prices and being happy with stagnant profits, combined with borrowing money to pay for dividends indicates, to me, that the board doesn't really care about where the company is going to be in the next decade. They just want as much money as they can get out of it as quickly as possible. I suppose it's a legitimate way to run a business, but not one you expect to be around in fifteen or twenty years.

I'm not an accountant, or an economist, or a businessman, but that's what I see.

**Farseer Mael Dannan**

Grimtuff wrote:]Of course he's going to say something like that to Johnny-come-lately random customer over the phone, for all he knows it could be a manager or a mystery shopper and confirming something the company at large has not done yet could cost him his job.

While possible that he was lieing to US, he for sure knew it was us. He knows us by name, and my friend chatted with him sufficiently to where he knew who he was talking to without a doubt. Now granted, he may just want to deny it either way but the fact that he went on to point out some of the specifications coming with the price hike (rather than just leaving it blank) makes me hope that he isn't lieing to us.

**helium42**

pretre wrote:

Listening to the Foo Fighters? That's just downright evil.

Fixed that for you...

**H.B.M.C.**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I wonder what the Aussies will suffer, poor buggers...

US price x2.

Everyone knows that.

**TheSovereign**

Hoping this is a false rumor. I'm blessed with a good job and a good salary, and this hobby is too expensive for me as it is. A lot of purchases made by me and other GW enthusiasts I know are impulse buys. An increase, especially one this drastic, will severely curb (and in some cases completely halt) our investment in the company, and I'm sure there are many others out there like us. That's not a temper tantrum, it's just the reality of people's fiscal situations.

**bd1085**

TheSovereign wrote:Hoping this is a false rumor. I'm blessed with a good job and a good salary, and this hobby is too expensive for me as it is. A lot of purchases made by me and other GW enthusiasts I know are impulse buys. An increase, especially one this drastic, will severely curb (and in some cases completely halt) our investment in the company, and I'm sure there are many others out there like us. That's not a temper tantrum, it's just the reality of people's fiscal situation.

QFT. I think I speak for a lot of gamers as well when I say we've been looking for a dramatic move like this to finally put the nail in the coffin for our GW habits.

I hope this is bogus.

**wildger**

Every time there is an increase, there is another round of the same talk. Do you get tired of this at all? If you cannot afford it, don't buy. It is not the end of your life. You can get a lot of enjoyment elsewhere at a much cheaper price.

**reps0l**

TheSovereign wrote:Hoping this is a false rumor. I'm blessed with a good job and a good salary, and this hobby is too expensive for me as it is. A lot of purchases made by me and other GW enthusiasts I know are impulse buys. An increase, especially one this drastic, will severely curb (and in some cases completely halt) our investment in the company, and I'm sure there are many others out there like us. That's not a temper tantrum, it's just the reality of people's fiscal situations.

Unfortunately, this is more news than rumor. And unfortunately, there are those like me who don't like the increase, but will still keep buying as normal. Hopefully there are more like you than me.

**TheSovereign**

wildger wrote:Every time there is an increase, there is another round of the same talk. Do you get tired of this at all? If you cannot afford it, don't buy. It is not the end of your life. You can get a lot of enjoyment elsewhere at a much cheaper price.

I'm pretty new to the hobby (less than a year), so that wasn't me last "round". But you're half right. As new as I am, I'm already a little tired of some of GW's tone deaf business practices, so I can only imagine how some of the die hard old timers feel.

Also, stow that hostile tone, champ.

reps0l wrote:Unfortunately, this is more news than rumor. And unfortunately, there are those like me who don't like the increase, but will still keep buying as normal. Hopefully there are more like you than me.

Personally, I'll probably buy a few products here or there, as I already have one fairly robust army that shouldn't require many additions. My spending will be quite curbed, though. But I know plenty of other hobbyists that would likely drop the game altogether, unfortunately.

**loki old fart**

Puscifer wrote:I just bought the last parts for my Necron Army and it cost me this month and next months hobby budget because of the forthcoming price hike.

I dread to think how much it would cost me for what I bought after the hike, but suffice to say, I won't be buying another army ever again from GW.

I'll stick to Necrons and GK.

Da boyz, will stil come up hanley, duck.
And do some krumping

**Tigerone**

I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.

**Davylove21**

Foo Fighters Rule

Price Increases Drool

Postin' from 1995. Power Rangers movie.

Nice

**Platuan4th**

Tigerone wrote:How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game.

Depends on the army.

My Deathwing runs(and needs) 3 Landraider variants to be effective.

**Andrew1975**

Tigerone wrote:I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.

Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since $2000. Just because it might last 25 years does not mean GW gets to charge you for 25 years of service. ITS PLASTIC it is not expensive. The molds have been paid off years ago. I swear this is the only industry where customers defend companies like this. It really confuses me. The only thing I can think of that is close is the Ferrari guys who wear a $2000 tune up as a badge of honor.

I always said GW would see what people were willing to pay for forgeworld one day and put 2+2 together. Everybody said I was crazy. I also predicted that GW would try to get us to play EPIC with 40k miniatures, everybody laughed. Now we have 2500pt games and apocalypse.

**montrano**

Tigerone wrote:I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.

This is always my point, its always been an expensive hobby, but its no more expensive that its always been. Not based on my unit of currency, the pint. In 2000 the average price for a pint was £2, now its £3.14. A fair amount of luxury products show a similar increase.
Despite this, I cant say I like price rises and I think they could potentially price out theyre supposed target market of the younger generation.

**Niccolo**

Assuming no accompanying Forgeworld price increase, The MKVIC Predator, Various Razorback kits, and Whirlwind Hyperios all will be cheaper than their GW counterparts.

**Byte**

Isn't there a price increase every year about this time Pinky? Pretty standard stuff for GW.

**loki old fart**

From mini wargaming.
"Hey, ************

It's almost June again, which means that Games Workshop
will be doing another price increase.

I just received word that the prices will be going up
between 5 - 20%.

For example, the Space Marine battleforce is currently
selling for $130, but will go up to $155 in a week."

**Brother SRM**

Byte wrote:Isn't there a price increase every year about this time Pinky? Pretty standard stuff for GW.

It's been yearly for quite some time, but people will still complain because it's terrible. Even as someone who's generally ambivalent at worst about GW's decisions and products, I can't say I'm happy.

**theQuanz**

One day people will boycott them.
Hopefully.

Doubtfully though, and people will continue to bitch and whine about it.
Wah wah wah I love my GW plastic sooo much, wah wah wah no I hate it soo much wah wah wah

**Groundh0g**

How often do FW up their prices? It's going to be absolutely crazy how much cheaper it will be to buy FW stuff than GW stuff in .au following these prices hikes.

Purchased an Infinity starter pack yesterday as well as a few SAGA minis anyway, so thank you GW for expanding my horizons!