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This used to be a Hobby for Pocketmoney and holidays / Birthdays etc... now we need a successful career to keep up!
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.

I dont see how they can justify these price increases. Potential new hobbyists will be choked out of playing because it is ruinously prohibitive cost wise...and if I was a parent of a playing kid, I probably would balk at these prices, despite the social and creative advantages of the game over Video games...

nolzur wrote:My country is USA. It shows the normal price, but once added to the cart, either removes it from the cart and tells me there is no price, or shows a different price.

Edit: it seems to work correctly on some things, and not on others, possibly just a glitch in their site, not really sure. I was not trying to say it is an early price rise, just saying what I am experiencing with their website right now. Seeing as how it pertains to price discrepencies, i figured this would be an appropriate place to post.

Might want to clear your cache, seems to be working fine for me.

HiveFleet wrote:
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.

They already do.

It's just that you pay them every FOUR years instead of every one.

HiveFleet wrote:This used to be a Hobby for Pocketmoney and holidays / Birthdays etc... now we need a successful career to keep up!
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.

I dont see how they can justify these price increases. Potential new hobbyists will be choked out of playing because it is ruinously prohibitive cost wise...and if I was a parent of a playing kid, I probably would balk at these prices, despite the social and creative advantages of the game over Video games...

Well, there are a number of things here:
1.) There are parents who will pay top dollar to get their kids into activities that don't involve video games.
2.) There are people, in general, who will still gladly pay these prices for this, for whatever reason.
3.) It should be obvious by now that GW is not necessarily interested in growing and expanding their games, but in maximizing short term profits at the expense of long term growth until the board can retire fat and happy. Their strategy is to hook in new players for a month or two and a couple hundred bucks, and then discard them. They don't want long-term customers.

RatBot wrote:3.) It should be obvious by now that GW is not necessarily interested in growing and expanding their games, but in maximizing short term profits at the expense of long term growth until the board can retire fat and happy. Their strategy is to hook in new players for a month or two and a couple hundred bucks, and then discard them. They don't want long-term customers.

This is often quoted, but I would love to see a reference or citation for this.

eldartau1987 wrote:I am sorry that you are taxed prior?

I'm not sure what it is you're arguing. Previously you said the US dollar was falling relative to the GBP to justify the price increase. That is not so.

My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.

eldartau1987 wrote:The costs of raw materials go up all the time as well. Would you rather models be priced on speculation?

They are priced on speculation. That's what controls the costs of raw materials. In fact, I would much rather models be priced on speculation than on the spot price of materials.

biccat wrote:My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.

That's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that. So unlike our sales tax in some states, VAT goes onto the recommended retail price?

Platuan4th wrote:

HiveFleet wrote:
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.

They already do.

It's just that you pay them every FOUR years instead of every one.

LOL, excellent point. I was considering saving for my 6th edition.........ahem..........I mean MEMBERSHIP FEE....perhaps I shall reconsider....or mortgage my house.

Hmm..so will my next purchase be a little plastic on-sprue SM tank or a highly detailed, assembled, painted, and quite hefty 1:18 scale diecast car that's twice as big and even has an opening glovebox, rotating driveshaft, realistic hinges, folding/sliding seats, working suspension, and authentic factory underbody overspray for less money, including shipping.... GW is certainly making it hard to choose between my hobbies

if indeed the 6th ed rulebook is more than the cost of the 5th you can bet I'll just pick up the new starter set for a little more.

^^^^^That. Ill just catch a bus down to the FLGS and read the store copy.

It's been alleged that some folks are responding to this by downloading GW rules from pirate sites and buying non-GW minis like mantic in order to cut the cost massively...

Alleged mind you.

As for me, I'll continue to buy at a reduced rate (ever decreasing circles). Other projects I might have started will not happen etc etc, not because of the price of the models, simply the perceived worth of them to me.

20% increase for Canadians too -_-

**** .....

I wonder what the Aussies will suffer, poor buggers...

Just got off the phone with my flgs rep, and he has told me the price rise is coming june 4th. He talked with his gw rep and they confirmed the price increase. However, he did state that the price increase will not be quite as dramatic as shown earlier in this thread.

nolzur wrote: However, he did state that the price increase will not be quite as dramatic as shown earlier in this thread.

Now that would be a great gag. Edit the price list for price changes right before a price change so that it looks worse than it is going to be.

pretre wrote:That's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that. So unlike our sales tax in some states, VAT goes onto the recommended retail price?

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/sectors/consumers/basics.htm

VAT is a tax that you pay when you buy goods and services in the European Union (EU), including the UK. If you have to pay VAT on something, it will normally be included in the price you see. You don't have to pay VAT at all on some goods and services, and sometimes you only pay a reduced rate.

I just bought some stuff from an online UK retailer. During checkout when you change your shipping information from a European Union country the actual price of the products is reduced. For example, instead of paying £8 GBP for a set of bases, you only pay £6.67 .

None of the spreadsheets have a GW logo on them and its not too far off to think that this is just an elaborate rumor going around.

I believe the prices will rise, but not nearly as much as the spreadsheet shows.

I mean come on, 75 for a LR and 82 for a stormraven?

Man I wonder how many more times it's going to go up by the time Tau get their new codex.

But this is truly poor business practice. You can't just keep increasing prices to cover deficit, many companies have went under doing this and almost none succeed. Maybe they should try that advertising thing so many other successful business' have done. Having more customers to buy their stuff is far better than milking the few they have. And the second effect of this is that new players will not join with the prices being so high.

Economy is down, raise prices?

Makes perfect sense!!

So, the yearly price hike arrives and people seem shocked?!?

Anyway, good luck and well met to those who will carry on with the 40K hobby.

I think it's funny, those people who are swearing to buy from ebay exclusively, they seem to forget that in order for them to buy at a "discount", some mug has to, at some stage in the chain, purchase at full whack.....I thin that will ultimately be the problem, when people finally get priced out of the game, even the ebay "stocks" will dry up..... funny really

biccat wrote:

eldartau1987 wrote:I am sorry that you are taxed prior?

I'm not sure what it is you're arguing. Previously you said the US dollar was falling relative to the GBP to justify the price increase. That is not so.

My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.

eldartau1987 wrote:The costs of raw materials go up all the time as well. Would you rather models be priced on speculation?

They are priced on speculation. That's what controls the costs of raw materials. In fact, I would much rather models be priced on speculation than on the spot price of materials.

When speaking on pricing on speculation, I had meant after the manufacture of said item. I understand what controls the cost of raw materials.

I understand your first point a little better now. That is very interesting.

pretre wrote:

biccat wrote:My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.

That's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that. So unlike our sales tax in some states, VAT goes onto the recommended retail price?

No, RRP (Or MSRP) includes the VAT. In the UK all prices the customer sees, if that customer is a member of the public, has to include VAT. So, the prices shown on on-line stores that the public use should include the VAT.

If you are ordering from out side the EU, when you fill in your address the cart should automatically adjust the prices to not include the VAT. For example, if you look at our store - store.torgaming.co.uk - the prices include the vat. Now create an account with a non-EU address and when logged in the prices change to not include VAT.

Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!

Bluetau wrote:None of the spreadsheets have a GW logo on them and its not too far off to think that this is just an elaborate rumor going around.

I believe the prices will rise, but not nearly as much as the spreadsheet shows.

I mean come on, 75 for a LR and 82 for a stormraven?

What make you think such prices are ludicrous at all?

I can convince you rather easily.

Have a Tab on XE currency , calculate worth of US dollar, Canadian Dollar, Aus Dollars.

Go to GW, select those 3 countries.

Compare prices.

Voila, 100% possible of such stupid increase.

Is this real? I mean will someone come out and say, "nah, just trollin you guys!"? This inflation is just stupid beyond belief. I think forgeworld is cheaper if these prices are true...

Mmmm if this is true ill finish my cronz and not buy another damn thing if I can avoid it.... Some of these hikes are pretty dang high

Delephont wrote:So, the yearly price hike arrives and people seem shocked?!?

Anyway, good luck and well met to those who will carry on with the 40K hobby.

I think it's funny, those people who are swearing to buy from ebay exclusively, they seem to forget that in order for them to buy at a "discount", some mug has to, at some stage in the chain, purchase at full whack.....I thin that will ultimately be the problem, when people finally get priced out of the game, even the ebay "stocks" will dry up..... funny really

They really are the Porsche of the miniature world now!

I won't doubt a potential hike, but I absolutely don't believe the 'leaked' document shown here. The new flyers are priced at $45. I can't fathom a storm raven costing almost twice what the other flyers cost.

Current inflation is 2.3%

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/currentinflation.asp

Land Raider inflation is 13.6% according to the list.

Even if GW's "adjusting for inflation" bull poop line was legit, it wouldn't be legit.

morgendonner wrote:I won't doubt a potential hike, but I absolutely don't believe the 'leaked' document shown here. The new flyers are priced at $45. I can't fathom a storm raven costing almost twice what the other flyers cost.

Several sources have confirmed that email as being legit. I know its crazy but ask you self is it too crazy for GW? I think they are capable of it.