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 Kirasu wrote:
I wonder what GWs amazing fluff reason is that Calgar can no longer ride in his own customized land raider simply because he put on new armor. Amazing sales team logic! They'd sell more models if they ditched the incredibly stupid segmentation. A military force should all be able to use the same transports as Primaris can fit fine inside the same ones marines use and vice versa.

The chapter master can't request his own ride, lol such dumb fluff.

10 seconds of brainpower saaaaaaaaaays:

They're going to release a Primaris Landraider down the road so it doesn't matter.

So, are Marneus Calgar and Wotldtaker expected to be standalone clamshell releases, or are we thinking they'll be in a Starter/Campaign box of Ultras vs. New Black Legion?

So apparently it was said in the seminar that normal marines are going nowhere, despite primaris upgrading shenanigans. Be cynical if you want, but thats the official word, so don't expect normal marine kits to disappear anytime soon.

Apparently it was also said that Grey Knights will not be getting primarised at all.

robbienw wrote:
So apparently it was said in the seminar that normal marines are going nowhere, despite primaris upgrading shenanigans. Be cynical if you want, but thats the official word, so don't expect normal marine kits to disappear anytime soon.

Apparently it was also said that Grey Knights will not be getting primarised at all.

Your kidding right?

You realize this is the same company that said they would never touch the heresy outside FW, and that they would not make primarchs in 40k.

GW wouldn't be doing their job if they admitted that they were phasing out a line of product until they squeezed every drop of profit out of the old molds.

 Red Corsair wrote:

robbienw wrote:
So apparently it was said in the seminar that normal marines are going nowhere, despite primaris upgrading shenanigans. Be cynical if you want, but thats the official word, so don't expect normal marine kits to disappear anytime soon.

Apparently it was also said that Grey Knights will not be getting primarised at all.

Your kidding right?

You realize this is the same company that said they would never touch the heresy outside FW, and that they would not make primarchs in 40k.

GW wouldn't be doing their job if they admitted that they were phasing out a line of product until they squeezed every drop of profit out of the old molds.

I was there at the seminar, and I asked if Grey Knights were getting the primaris treatment myself. I was told a flat "no" (not even a "there aren't any plans for it in the future right now").

(Other information can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/a00l09/i_was_at_the_vigilus_weekender_and_live_reported/)

Thats the official line, like it or not. Its supported but the recent statement by gw that chapters are still making normal marines.

Things can change as well, give it 5 years from now and the then model design team may be totally fed up with designing samey primaris and decided to revisit normal marines again.

Regardless, i think it means the regular marine line will be going nowhere, even if the near to mid future is new Primaris units.

Feel free to be cynical if you want

 CaptainBetts wrote:

I was there at the seminar, and I asked if Grey Knights were getting the primaris treatment myself. I was told a flat "no" (not even a "there aren't any plans for it in the future right now").

I would be inclined to take that as a sign that Grey Knights aren't selling well enough to warrant their own Primaris range. They'll likely get around to it once the regular Marine range has been completed, assuming GK haven't just been squatted by then.

 insaniak wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:

I was there at the seminar, and I asked if Grey Knights were getting the primaris treatment myself. I was told a flat "no" (not even a "there aren't any plans for it in the future right now").

I would be inclined to take that as a sign that Grey Knights aren't selling well enough to warrant their own Primaris range. They'll likely get around to it once the regular Marine range has been completed, assuming GK haven't just been squatted by then.

^This, I wouldn't consider Grey Knights an indicator anyway. Taking everything they suggest about future releases at face value is silly. I am sure regular marines are hanging around for the foreseeable future, now define what that means? It's safe to assume it means once the current range stops bringing in an acceptable profit. If they were to suggest normal marines would be phased out at ANY time, sales would drop off a cliff and they would have a nightmare with shareholders.


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robbienw wrote:


Feel free to be cynical if you want

Feel free to be naive if you want.

It has nothing to do with being cynical, and everything to do with understanding marketing and sales.

robbienw wrote:
Thats the official line, like it or not. Its supported but the recent statement by gw that chapters are still making normal marines.

Things can change as well, give it 5 years from now and the then model design team may be totally fed up with designing samey primaris and decided to revisit normal marines again.

Regardless, i think it means the regular marine line will be going nowhere, even if the near to mid future is new Primaris units.

Feel free to be cynical if you want

So a Cult buggy, huh?

I’m just happy seeing these concepts executed by the design team, but a greedier me would probably be wondering where my royalties are, LOL.

 gorgon wrote:
So a Cult buggy, huh?

I’m just happy seeing these concepts executed by the design team, but a greedier me would probably be wondering where my royalties are, LOL.

Spoiler:

Originally I was hoping for more Dune Buggy design, with a roll cage and stuff, but these will do nicely. Now I'm just hoping for the giant armored suicide bus transport...

Fluff-wise, Grey Knights are considered to the Emperor's finest project ever and it would be heresy to tamper with it.

 gorgon wrote:
So a Cult buggy, huh?

I’m just happy seeing these concepts executed by the design team, but a greedier me would probably be wondering where my royalties are, LOL.

Spoiler:

Did I miss something? Was there a different cult buggy shown somewhere?

I love all the new Genestealer cult stuff BUT WHERE THE HELL IS MY LIMO?!?

They showed of the ATV, I don't really see the resemblance with what people are posting here..

In total GSC had 1 sniper dirt bike (rumoured to be a character), 4 dirt bikers, an ATV, the gunslinger & the mapreader

 Crimson wrote:
As for the actual Calgar model, I'm not a huge fan. It has the same issue than the Aggressors, the fists are too big (they're larger than the normal power fists.) The Gravis armour itself is fine, but the comically oversized fists throw off the balance.

Yeah, the Aggressor power first are comically large. But Terminator arms are compatible with them and those power fists look great on them. I'd buy a Calgar to convert, but I hate capes.

robbienw wrote:
So apparently it was said in the seminar that normal marines are going nowhere, despite primaris upgrading shenanigans. Be cynical if you want, but thats the official word, so don't expect normal marine kits to disappear anytime soon.

Apparently it was also said that Grey Knights will not be getting primarised at all.

of course they said this... it would be a marketing suicide to say "all your armies are going to be discontinued and half our line will vanish". What they never said is that normal marines will never be phased out. Like when a company like EA or Bethesda says all DLC will be free and then produces a bunch of paid DLC for the game but they call it a different name and said "It's not DLC so it's not free".

Going nowhere suggests it will never be advanced upon in my books.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:

I was there at the seminar, and I asked if Grey Knights were getting the primaris treatment myself. I was told a flat "no" (not even a "there aren't any plans for it in the future right now").

I would be inclined to take that as a sign that Grey Knights aren't selling well enough to warrant their own Primaris range. They'll likely get around to it once the regular Marine range has been completed, assuming GK haven't just been squatted by then.

^This, I wouldn't consider Grey Knights an indicator anyway. Taking everything they suggest about future releases at face value is silly. I am sure regular marines are hanging around for the foreseeable future, now define what that means? It's safe to assume it means once the current range stops bringing in an acceptable profit. If they were to suggest normal marines would be phased out at ANY time, sales would drop off a cliff and they would have a nightmare with shareholders.


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robbienw wrote:


Feel free to be cynical if you want

Feel free to be naive if you want.

It has nothing to do with being cynical, and everything to do with understanding marketing and sales.

Indeed it it is. Don't ditch a popular line of models, or replace it with a divisive set of models that many hardcore collectors of the replaced line dislike and won't buy, if you want to maintain good sales figures on the line, I'm sure they understand that.

As I said feel free to be cynical if you want. Also feel free to be supercilious if you want

I'm still not convinced oldmarine lore is going to be phased out completely to be replaced by Primaris. I just don't see why they would have bothered to spend resources developing Primaris lore if their only objective was to sell new models.

If all they wanted to do was get people to buy more marines they could have just released Primaris scale marines as new tacticals. Why go through the effort of differentiating them from a branding/lore perspective?

The word from the Vigilus event seems consistent with this viewpoint.

Changed by mind on the biker and buggy. They are really really nice. And lol at those who think that GW claims are a proof that they wont discontinue normal marines down the line. Contact me, i have a Bridge to sell

 lolman1c wrote:

robbienw wrote:
So apparently it was said in the seminar that normal marines are going nowhere, despite primaris upgrading shenanigans. Be cynical if you want, but thats the official word, so don't expect normal marine kits to disappear anytime soon.

Apparently it was also said that Grey Knights will not be getting primarised at all.

of course they said this... it would be a marketing suicide to say "all your armies are going to be discontinued and half our line will vanish". What they never said is that normal marines will never be phased out. Like when a company like EA or Bethesda says all DLC will be free and then produces a bunch of paid DLC for the game but they call it a different name and said "It's not DLC so it's not free".

Going nowhere suggests it will never be advanced upon in my books.

Of course nothing lasts forever, you know you may find 10 to 15 years from now GW may have produced another new type of marine chasing more revenue, and primaris fans will be upset by constant primaris are being squatted trolling

To be fair the line doesn't need to be advanced anymore at the moment, aside from a few units that could do with a redo, its in a pretty good state.

So anyone think that the harp guy is a clear indication of mortal Slaanesh units and how they'll look.


Hes completely out of place with all current Slaanesh models.

 CaptainBetts wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

robbienw wrote:
So apparently it was said in the seminar that normal marines are going nowhere, despite primaris upgrading shenanigans. Be cynical if you want, but thats the official word, so don't expect normal marine kits to disappear anytime soon.

Apparently it was also said that Grey Knights will not be getting primarised at all.

Your kidding right?

You realize this is the same company that said they would never touch the heresy outside FW, and that they would not make primarchs in 40k.

GW wouldn't be doing their job if they admitted that they were phasing out a line of product until they squeezed every drop of profit out of the old molds.

I was there at the seminar, and I asked if Grey Knights were getting the primaris treatment myself. I was told a flat "no" (not even a "there aren't any plans for it in the future right now").

(Other information can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/a00l09/i_was_at_the_vigilus_weekender_and_live_reported/)

Highlights as I see them:

* There's a city fight campaign box with cards/stickers for map making

* There's specialist detachments and multi-unit stratagems that cost CP and give special bonuses (examples given include a leman russ detachment and a stratagem that makes all intercessors into veterans)

* Imperial Agents will NOT be receiving a codex

* Grey Knights will NOT be getting primaris

* The miniature design team is in charge of what gets made, not rules/lore/business people. They get the ball rolling on anything. Primarchs in particular only get made when the team has a cool design in mind.

 slave.entity wrote:
I'm still not convinced oldmarine lore is going to be phased out completely to be replaced by Primaris. I just don't see why they would have bothered to spend resources developing Primaris lore if their only objective was to sell new models.

If all they wanted to do was get people to buy more marines they could have just released Primaris scale marines as new tacticals. Why go through the effort of differentiating them from a branding/lore perspective?

Because the alternative would have required them to release an entire Primaris range all at once, which would have been problematic from a cost perspective.

To be clear, though, it's unlikely that old Marines will be written out of the fluff, particularly given that they don't appear to be going full Primaris with Chaos. But by this point, with their current rate of releases, I'm expecting that next edition will see the fluff advanced further, with Primaris marines now being the standard and old Marines all having been killed, retired, or fallen to low enough numbers to be effectively ignored in the game.

Cue short story compilation of the last few squads of old marines from various chapters, detailing their difficulties coping in an Imperium that has passed them by...

robbienw wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:

I was there at the seminar, and I asked if Grey Knights were getting the primaris treatment myself. I was told a flat "no" (not even a "there aren't any plans for it in the future right now").

I would be inclined to take that as a sign that Grey Knights aren't selling well enough to warrant their own Primaris range. They'll likely get around to it once the regular Marine range has been completed, assuming GK haven't just been squatted by then.

^This, I wouldn't consider Grey Knights an indicator anyway. Taking everything they suggest about future releases at face value is silly. I am sure regular marines are hanging around for the foreseeable future, now define what that means? It's safe to assume it means once the current range stops bringing in an acceptable profit. If they were to suggest normal marines would be phased out at ANY time, sales would drop off a cliff and they would have a nightmare with shareholders.


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robbienw wrote:


Feel free to be cynical if you want

Feel free to be naive if you want.

It has nothing to do with being cynical, and everything to do with understanding marketing and sales.

Indeed it it is. Don't ditch a popular line of models, or replace it with a divisive set of models that many hardcore collectors of the replaced line dislike and won't buy, if you want to maintain good sales figures on the line, I'm sure they understand that.

As I said feel free to be cynical if you want. Also feel free to be supercilious if you want

You need to back peddle a bit further if you want to avoid having egg on your face. Your almost there.

 insaniak wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
So a Cult buggy, huh?

I’m just happy seeing these concepts executed by the design team, but a greedier me would probably be wondering where my royalties are, LOL.

Spoiler:

Did I miss something? Was there a different cult buggy shown somewhere?

Oh, a one seat quad with a rotating gun isn’t the same thing as a two seat buggy with a rotating gun, but they’re definitely in the same conceptual space. It’s fine...there are also quite a few ideas from other folks like Tim Huckelberry, MajorTom, etc. that have found their way into the army in some form. It’s cool to see the design team paying attention.

 insaniak wrote:

 slave.entity wrote:
I'm still not convinced oldmarine lore is going to be phased out completely to be replaced by Primaris. I just don't see why they would have bothered to spend resources developing Primaris lore if their only objective was to sell new models.

If all they wanted to do was get people to buy more marines they could have just released Primaris scale marines as new tacticals. Why go through the effort of differentiating them from a branding/lore perspective?

Because the alternative would have required them to release an entire Primaris range all at once, which would have been problematic from a cost perspective.

To be clear, though, it's unlikely that old Marines will be written out of the fluff, particularly given that they don't appear to be going full Primaris with Chaos. But by this point, with their current rate of releases, I'm expecting that next edition will see the fluff advanced further, with Primaris marines now being the standard and old Marines all having been killed, retired, or fallen to low enough numbers to be effectively ignored in the game.

Cue short story compilation of the last few squads of old marines from various chapters, detailing their difficulties coping in an Imperium that has passed them by...

I would bet toward the end they give them single squad build rules like Fallen. Here have a data sheet that can technically field all your models, but why would you when they are terrible. I honestly wish they had just jumped the scale but apparently they also want to remove options from squads. Thats something I feel gets glossed over the most. Not that primaris lack options, but that it had to be intentional.

A way they might "get rid of" the old marines in the future is simply stating chaos has found a new way of corrupting them, at a much faster pace than ever before. So all characters and plenty of normal soldiers just go through the primarization to prevent falling to chaos. The loyalist old marines thus become extinct. Either by becoming primaris or by falling to chaos.

I don't think this will happen in the next 5 years or so, but maybe in 10?

I guess the city fight detachments/stratagems will work in matched play too? Which would be pretty helpful with intercessors, turning every squad in a detachment into vets.

 insaniak wrote:

 slave.entity wrote:
I'm still not convinced oldmarine lore is going to be phased out completely to be replaced by Primaris. I just don't see why they would have bothered to spend resources developing Primaris lore if their only objective was to sell new models.

If all they wanted to do was get people to buy more marines they could have just released Primaris scale marines as new tacticals. Why go through the effort of differentiating them from a branding/lore perspective?

Because the alternative would have required them to release an entire Primaris range all at once, which would have been problematic from a cost perspective.

To be clear, though, it's unlikely that old Marines will be written out of the fluff, particularly given that they don't appear to be going full Primaris with Chaos. But by this point, with their current rate of releases, I'm expecting that next edition will see the fluff advanced further, with Primaris marines now being the standard and old Marines all having been killed, retired, or fallen to low enough numbers to be effectively ignored in the game.

Cue short story compilation of the last few squads of old marines from various chapters, detailing their difficulties coping in an Imperium that has passed them by...

Interesting. A very slow, gradual, lore-assisted death over the course of several editions would be the one way I could see it happening. Something on the scale of 5-10 years perhaps.