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I cant seem to find the rule that would tell me otherwise in the new codex. Am i wrong?

Nope, you are right.
They are not immune to ID.

No they're not immune to Instant Death, what did you expect of a 145+ points creature!?

This topic has been covered in-depth in multiple threads. They are not immune to ID, and with their new stat-line and no access to marks, they will go down to S10 weaponry in a flash.

Give em Mark of Nurgle and they'll be just fine.

As I literally JUST said in the post above, DPs cannot take marks. So they are stuck at T5.

Why? Why not? What was the idea behind this? There is literally no logic for this removal, they have always been able to take marks... but what actually surprises me is the removal of eternal warrior... this is a sales change and we all know it...

Has nobody read the codex on these guys yet? I guess I'll throw you a bone and explain it, though you really should pick up a copy (either thumb through a friends' or something) before jumping into a thread like this...

DPs can either be undivided, or nominated as a Demon of (Nurgle/Khorne/Tzeentch/Slaanesh). When you dedicate your DP to one of the Chaos Gods, he gets bonuses related to that Chaos deity. However, he does not have access to marks in addition to this, so there is no way to make them T6-base that I know of, excepting some ally combo I haven't thought of yet. Your best bet is to give them psychic powers from the Biomancy school and hope for Iron Arm.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Has nobody read the codex on these guys yet? I guess I'll throw you a bone and explain it, though you really should pick up a copy (either thumb through a friends' or something) before jumping into a thread like this...

DPs can either be undivided, or nominated as a Demon of (Nurgle/Khorne/Tzeentch/Slaanesh). When you dedicate your DP to one of the Chaos Gods, he gets bonuses related to that Chaos deity. However, he does not have access to marks in addition to this, so there is no way to make them T6-base that I know of, excepting some ally combo I haven't thought of yet. Your best bet is to give them psychic powers from the Biomancy school and hope for Iron Arm.

Quickly making a 145 pt model that is fundamentally bad for its cost exponentially more expensive in hopes of mitigating its pre-existing badness.

aka; no. I have 3 daemon prince models I used regularly in 5th. I now carry them with my army only on the off chance one of my characters rolls 65,66 on the boons table. Unless they are FAQ'd to have EW or get access to Marks of Chaos I will not be including them in my Army List in 6th.

Agreed same thing here.

It's also a bit strange fluff-wise. Chaos Lords seek the ultimate reward, to be upgraded to Daemonhood. If a Daemon Prince and a Warlord are in an army list, there's no way the Daemon Prince can lead the army because he only has LD9, in fact he's the only Character with LD9.
So if for example a Khorne Warlord leads an army for eternal slaughter and bloodshed and Khorne Berzerkers follow him and he's finally rewarded with Daemon Hood, no Khorne Berzerker will ever follow him again...?
How does Angron lead armies?

I was saddened by this but to get around it I plan on having my DP's flying around so I can pick my target's better and lessen the chance of getting shot.

Chaospling wrote:
Agreed same thing here.

It's also a bit strange fluff-wise. Chaos Lords seek the ultimate reward, to be upgraded to Daemonhood. If a Daemon Prince and a Warlord are in an army list, there's no way the Daemon Prince can lead the army because he only has LD9, in fact he's the only Character with LD9.
So if for example a Khorne Warlord leads an army for eternal slaughter and bloodshed and Khorne Berzerkers follow him and he's finally rewarded with Daemon Hood, no Khorne Berzerker will ever follow him again...?
How does Angron lead armies?

Obviously Angron is a Votlw +1ld bro get with the times...jeesh

Daemon Primces can't even be undivided anymore.

Am I alone in the "it must be a miss-print" camp?

If you're grown-up about it rather than assuming that GW make deliberately bad rules, it must get EW. Maybe the guy who wrote the entry assumed that "deamon" gave EW?

But still, I'd wait 'til the FAQ's out before jumping to conclusions.

How many S10 weapons are not blasts or templates?

Haven't picked up my copy yet, but don't all Daemon Princes have to take a mark? And what does Mark of Nurgle do for a Daemon Prince if not +1T?

 Arthas367 wrote:

Chaospling wrote:
Agreed same thing here.

It's also a bit strange fluff-wise. Chaos Lords seek the ultimate reward, to be upgraded to Daemonhood. If a Daemon Prince and a Warlord are in an army list, there's no way the Daemon Prince can lead the army because he only has LD9, in fact he's the only Character with LD9.
So if for example a Khorne Warlord leads an army for eternal slaughter and bloodshed and Khorne Berzerkers follow him and he's finally rewarded with Daemon Hood, no Khorne Berzerker will ever follow him again...?
How does Angron lead armies?

Obviously Angron is a Votlw +1ld bro get with the times...jeesh

Haha nice But he'll only lead armies of Chaos Space Marines and not that many Khorne Berzerkers as he can't have the Mark of Khorne

It just doesn't add up that a Daemon Prince can't lead armies if you have another Character. If you asked: "Who would lead an army, a Daemon Prince or a Dark Apostle?" Every body would say the Daemon Prince of course.

I wonder what their intentions were...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Haven't picked up my copy yet, but don't all Daemon Princes have to take a mark? And what does Mark of Nurgle do for a Daemon Prince if not +1T?

They don't get a Mark, they get "Daemon of X" which is different (Nurgle = Shrouded and S&P I believe).

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Haven't picked up my copy yet, but don't all Daemon Princes have to take a mark? And what does Mark of Nurgle do for a Daemon Prince if not +1T?

No, they do not. They become a daemon of [ ] and the effects are very different to marks. It has been mentioned a couple times...

Save them princes for a daemons allies build. I can see some crazy combos with skarbrand and the new spawn beasts.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Give em Mark of Nurgle and they'll be just fine.

Yeah man, they'll be fine once you give them the Mark of Nurgle, then make them Psychic Mastery 4, give them a few Divination powers so that they can reroll their Terminator armor saves. I don't see why so many people think that Daemon Princes are bad now. Granted it's around 350 points but not a bad deal.

 Testify wrote:
Am I alone in the "it must be a miss-print" camp?

If you're grown-up about it rather than assuming that GW make deliberately bad rules, it must get EW.

Why, when the evidence overwhelmingly points to the contrary?

 Testify wrote:
Am I alone in the "it must be a miss-print" camp?

If you're grown-up about it rather than assuming that GW make deliberately bad rules, it must get EW. Maybe the guy who wrote the entry assumed that "deamon" gave EW?

But still, I'd wait 'til the FAQ's out before jumping to conclusions.

That'd be great if everyone who played 40k agreed that it must be a misprint, but there are a lot of people who will want to play it by the book, and you'll likely be forced to if your only place to play is your local GW.

Telling people not to jump to conclusions is fine if there wasn't already a single clear conclusion there to jump to. Maybe whoever wrote the daemon prince being a daemon of Nurgle assumed that being "of Nurgle" gave him +1 toughness, should we ignore what is currently a clear rule because it doesn't fit fluff? Or because it doesn't fit the last codex? Maybe Obliterators were supposed to be fearless, but there was a misprint and they forgot to add it? Maybe MoT was supposed to give a 5+ instead of a 6+, but it was misprinted? Why not just use the old Chaos book until the new one gets an FAQ, just in case the new one was a misprint?

 Testify wrote:
Am I alone in the "it must be a miss-print" camp?

Pretty much yeah. Why would you assume it's a misprint?

I'm hoping there's something coming in a WD to fix this mess

And I thought my hive tyrant was point sink....

Am I the only one that is a little upset the Demon of Nurgle thing "blesses" my Demon Prince with Slow and Purposeful!? I guess he'll be Slannesh from now on, those are pretty decent benefits.

Really they arent?
MY rail guns have new targets

OK so the DP can now be Instagibed at strength 10.

Apart from the tau rail rifle, what is gonna do it?

So 2 broadsides with 2 railguns hitting my flying DP on 6's has a 33%(Assume my math is correct) chance to kill it. Not odds i am willing to take so on my first turn i need to hide it and focus down 2 broadsides, also not that difficult. Its just tau who are not notoriously the most competitive list.

What else is gonna do it? Death Ray can't, demolisher cannon can't, i have run out of strength 10 stuff.

So a grot can kill a daemon prince in one shot (providing that the grot in question is manning a zzap gun)