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Did I hear somebody complain about nerfed Imperial Guard Anti Tank firepower because the Veteran Melta drop will no longer be feasible?

It's not as if a certain Leman Russ variant with a 72"(possibly more IIRC) range battle cannon and strength 8 + 2D6 for armor penetration will be making a comeback.

Oh, wait, the Vanquisher is back baby!

The only advantage of a Meltagun is its AP value of 1

Yeah except the vanquisher can no longer fire battle cannon shells, and the vanquisher cannon misses 50% of the time.

Don't forget the Vanquisher can't get around cover by deepstriking to the side either, and will most likely be firing at the front armour, oh and is 3x the cost.

if someone can brave this thread to compile the rumors and sources I'd priomise to give them a free internet cookie...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

155 points or 170 with Lascannon... and it can't fire regular shells.

I am just curious, has is been stated as a fact that it can't fire regular shells? Please note i said fact, i am not looking for rumor or speculation...or a red shirt said. I mean has someone gotten a hold of a copy of the codex and seen in black and white (well gray actually) that is says "May not fire normal shells"?

And i guess my other question would be, why would you add a lascannon to this anyways? If the Vanquisher is only good as anti-armor and you want troop killing capability, then 3 HB is what you want anyways...imo

It's armed with a Vanquisher Cannon unless it has rules that say it can shoot as a Battle Cannon then it can't fire 'normal shells' whatever they may be.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Shuma works for GW?

I think what GW is doing with this codex is fairly obvious and that is to place emphasis on the most common unit in the IG army, platoons. Infantry are clearly at the center of this codex. With in the IG, these point costs do make sense.

Actually I see some "fair" prices, and some not fair prices.

Fair
Basic infantry
heavy/special weapons
Stock Russ (I would pay the extra points to use all my guns)
Griffon
Bassilisk
chimera

Not Fair
Stormies
Ogryn
commisars
All of the new Russ varients
All of the "hound" tanks
all the rest of the av12 arty tanks


Not Sure
Vendetta/Vulture although why you would ever take a Vulture if the Vendetta also carries troops is beyond me.

1. This sounds to me like Codex: Leman Russ.

Approx 500pts for three tanks, Av14 is so much better with its own company. All you need is a little melta or lascannon on the side, and you are away. With enough Demolishers you might not even need that. GW have painted up a horrendous cookie cutter list here in the fashion of Nidzilla. Expect killer Guard lists to have 6-7 Russ. Other tanks might look good but cannot really compete on the same level and dilute from the wall of Av14 thus weakening the list.

Oh and Lumbering Behemoth really means "three heavy bolters plus a battlecannon turn 1ff", i.e. a boring static army. The turret variants might even proclude using anything else, the heavy 20 gun, gimic though it is tell you you no longer need infantry in your guard list, between that and plasma weaponry and the odd demolisher the Russ becomes a very comfortable one size fits all solution.

2. What to do with the mandatory Troops?

This looks to me the only true variance in the army lies in how to spend the spare points after paying for the Leman Russ spam. People can get creative here.

3. If the combined squads is true one/two special weapons squads plus command squad in a Valkyrie = hot.

Assuming rumours are true. Six or seven melta guns pathing deepstrike is a world of pain for any enemy vehicles, i.e anything not annihilated by the battlecannon and heavy bolters. If they get Tank! to boot....

4. Return of the slowed '16pt rule'.

Sorry to jump in the Stormtrooper pile on but has anyone else noticed this trend? Because spase marienz (Hurr!) are da bomb anything that is designed to cleanly kill one must be more expensive than one. This balance dogma is flatly attested to throught the game. Vespid get Ap3 so they must be worth 16pts as marines die, one point more than a marine marked the flat minimum for Howling Banshees and Fire Dragons too, though at least that waas understandable. So with Ap3 Hellguns it is obvious what price must be set: marienz +1pt for the fail.
I dont think stormtroopers were pointed out as anything else than that. No matter their true value as soon as they got Ap3 capability 16pts+ was inevitable. Morons, utter morons.


I copuld go on about other useless units, but I wont need to even the fairly good ones are going to fall by the wayside in the same way pretty much all Nid perspective was lost once Dakkafex became available. Yes it is nice to see Hydras, squadrons of Hellhounds and Armageddon sentinels that are worth fielding, but all that is for casual gamers and futile all told as the temptation will be there throughout. Russ spam will cause the new IG to fail, this codex might make Dark Angels look well designed. Is this a Jervis cockup, it sounds bad enough?.

Closing this thread due to absurdly long length

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