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pcon426 wrote:9 valks+9 leman ruses+50 stock gaurdsmen=

Unfortunately, the guy you stomp out will make sure your sportsmanship score at a tournament is

pcon426 wrote:9 valks+9 leman ruses+50 stock gaurdsmen=

good luck fitting that into anything less than 2500pts. assuming 160 per LR and 90 per Valk, that's 2250 before HQ or Troops.

pcon426 wrote:9 valks+9 leman ruses+50 stock gaurdsmen=

Meet 9 Broadsides and 15 Anti-infantry Crisis suits. Oh and 12 FCW for troops.

I think frag grenades for IG makes some sense, even if it does diminish the value of cover. First, IG shouldn't be assaulting anybody, and giving them their whopping I3 back isn't exactly going to make a difference against anything but Orks and Tau. Secondly, I think it'll help distinguish "professional" military models from the more bestial armies. Marines and IG carry grenades because they're fighting men and they're equipt for all purposes, while Orks and Guants and Eldar Guardians aren't really dedicated soldiers, even if they're better fighters.

I would keep in mind that IG are one of the few armies that regularly cares about the morale rules, which are a far more complicated affair ignored far more often by units that are fearless, have ATSKNF, have mob rules, synapes, etc.

So, are these grenades actually going to be able to be thrown this time around, or are they just back to being reaction crap for the charge, again?

I for one would not mind being able to fill a line with frag blastmarkers to screen my units with.

Other then that, I have no issue with the IG. So far so good.

your 9 valkries might be a bit much. what will you do when the anti air missles light up your tailpipes?


Combine air and ground, with some Artillery. the tanks in behind for mop up.

works for the whole shock and awe thing.

3 air, 3 tanks and 3 platoons of guard either mech or static barrage.

nothing says hi there like buckets of dice and blast templates FTW.

Grot 6 wrote:So, are these grenades actually going to be able to be thrown this time around, or are they just back to being reaction crap for the charge, again?

Neither, really. It's incredibly unlikely that GW is going to allow IG to throw grenades, and with everything in the army now striking at Initiative 3, Frag grenades are not going to be very relevant, since most units strike before Guard do. (But I guess it lets us wail on Tau.)

I think the real ramification of the change is Strength 4 versus vehicles rear armor. Guard can now damage many vehicles in assault, and can no longer be tied up in close combat by things like Sentinels.

Mickhedd wrote:

pcon426 wrote:9 valks+9 leman ruses+50 stock gaurdsmen=

Unfortunately, the guy you stomp out will make sure your sportsmanship score at a tournament is

How do I say this.

I find the concept of someone mauling my sportsmanship for playing GUARD to be exhilarating

I love the way the metagame is swinging towards hordes.

I like the part about 3 Valks as one FA choice. Now all I need is a rule to use Storm Troopers as troops and I'll have myself a new army project

Flight of the valkyrie time....duh duh duh duuhhh duh, duh duh duh duuuuh duh

Hey, I hadn't noticed this before - but I like in that shot how the player has modeled each of his missiles on their own flight bases so he can remove them when fired - nice touch!

my IG are very pleased, about time IG get a boost

Yup, i need 3 more tanks to hit 9 Russes...and some Valks...and i get to finally afford to field my 7 chimeras... happy days

I swear to whatever god they pray to, the next one to shout "flight of the Valkyries" in the store upon seeing or hearing of the upcoming plastic kit is getting a tazer to the rude bits.

Still looking forward to Valks!

I really think that folks getting excited for 9 LRBTs are setting themselves up for disappointment. Maybe I've been hanging around Agamemnon2 and H.B.M.C. too long, but I'm not convinced that GW will let Guard players go that tread-crazy.

Chimeras are cheaper and available to all infantry. Mobile command post means that Officers can issue orders while embarked.

I was worried about this. Now I'm just excited. Filthy-excited.

I'm expecting it to be more like a 0-1 squadron but you can pick the tank and they all gotta be the same... so you could do 3 demolishers, or 3 basilisks or whatever. Then you have 2 slots left for other things if ya want.

But even still, even if you could take 9 russes... thats a heluva lot of points to fit into a list.

No one will know for sure till the leaked-on-purpose PDF starts floating around

BrookM wrote:I swear to whatever god they pray to, the next one to shout "flight of the Valkyries" in the store upon seeing or hearing of the upcoming plastic kit is getting a tazer to the rude bits.

Yes. The piece is titled Ride of the Valkyries.

Maybe he's really thinking "Flight of the Bumblebee"?

jp400 wrote:So let me get this straight...
Extra Str 3 shot at BS 3........ again not very excited...

Overall.... Im hopeing for better.

4pt guardsman plus double shots = Where did my Geq go?

Unless your T5+ or have a 3+ save there is still something to worry about here.

I am wondering how the new lasgun line will hold up to massed ork boyz. Looks very good on paper but when the boyz get to close combat it is all over, as usual.

I think we should first look at pie plate spam first asnd worry about a torrent of lasguns afterwards. Either way perhaps the guard are shortly no longer to be whipping boys.

The real imbalance I see is against tau. Tau being the other 'pure shooty' army and therefore closer to the paper test as units will tnd not to be tied up in close combat, so raw attrition based on firepower as guessed is key. seeing only what we see it looks like Tau will be sorely outgunned.

Orlanth wrote: seeing only what we see it looks like Tau will be sorely outgunned.

Nothing new there. For a 'shooty' army, Tau are sorely outgunned by everyone, except Tyranids

The Tau really do need some love.

I'll send them loads of Pie to make them feel better...

EAT UP, Boys, plenty more coming!

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

Orlanth wrote: seeing only what we see it looks like Tau will be sorely outgunned.

Nothing new there. For a 'shooty' army, Tau are sorely outgunned by everyone, except Tyranids

Nah, tyranids outgun most armies. Basic space marines still don't quite have the taus firepower yet, though they are a lot harder to kill and pack a much bigger punch in combat. Necrons look to have the least firepower of all armies at the moment.

Dave47 wrote:

I think the real ramification of the change is Strength 4 versus vehicles rear armor. Guard can now damage many vehicles in assault, and can no longer be tied up in close combat by things like Sentinels.

Now that sir is the real kicker. I can actually hurt certain vehicles in HTH. Sure the odd meltabomb will be there but this is huge...

Achillius wrote:

Dave47 wrote:I think the real ramification of the change is Strength 4 versus vehicles rear armor. Guard can now damage many vehicles in assault, and can no longer be tied up in close combat by things like Sentinels.

Now that sir is the real kicker. I can actually hurt certain vehicles in HTH. Sure the odd meltabomb will be there but this is huge...

Um, huh?

Guard wouldn't be tied up by non-Walker Vehicles anyways, and those can already be shot to death without any problem.

Guard still engage Walkers on their Front armor in HtH, so that doesn't change against the real threats. And shooty Sentinels / War Walkers aren't the kind of Walkers that scare Guardsmen - massed Kans are a problem, along with Chaos Dreads and SM Ironclads... Dread-class Monsters like WLs and Carnifexes still munch Guardsmen in HtH.

But looking at the numbers... Guard with a +1S vs vehicles would have 21 attacks (charging). On average, that would be 10+ hits, for 1.5 Glances... If I'm a Sentinel pilot, I'm still far better off in HtH than being shot at.

If I'm a Sentinel pilot, I'm still far better off in HtH than being shot at.

Yet no longer perfectly safe. I think the grenades will be more important when counter charging out of cover. None of these are huge, but all together they make a much more versatile basic guardsman.

Scottywan82 wrote:Sad day. I agree with Shummy.

I agree. Usually it seems to be GW's practice to think of three or fur really neat, flavorful special rules and give them all out at once despite the combination being over-powerful. (See IW in the previous Chaos Codex.) This jsut sounds lik three little bumps instead of a massive pendulum-swinging sledgehammer.