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That's a nice poem... "Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot" is one of the first things they drill into you at Boot Camp.

By the way, Killkrazy, I agree that it's easier to kill someone with a gun than with a knife. Neither object is a danger without the intent to kill though, that's the main point I was making.

Yes, accidents happen but nowhere near the scale of people that are harmed by the negligent operation of cars! It's a dangerous world.

I am far more frightened of drivers than I am frightened of gun owners. Here's the difference: Gun owners are aware that firing their weapon is a responsibility, and that if it kills someone there are consequences they cannot deny. Car owners can plow through a school bus stop and just say "oops my bad I wasn't paying attention.", while there's a bunch of dead and injured children all over the road. Vehicular manslaughter is not treated as harshly as murder in out court system.

@jp400 I do have that "fething pigs" attitude to an extent. While I recognize they are just people, and some of them are good people. I am suspicious and scared of them because I have in the past been unfairly treated by them while doing nothing wrong or illegal.

The difference between them and me is that they have all the power and authority and I have none, and they are armed and I am not, and the judge will believe their story over mine unless I have overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The potential and tempation for abusing that authority cannot be overlooked. I don't want another busted tail light, or 'confiscated' case of beer from my own front porch, or 6 days in jail for something I didn't do (yes the charge was dropped when they found out they had the wrong guy, but I still had to waste those 6 days hanging out with child molesters and violent jerks and people who actually belonged in there). That's why I think "fething pigs", and just like to stay away from them as best as I can.

Guitardian wrote:Who are these 'gangs' we all fear in the first place?

Well right down the road there are 6 Apartment complexes, 2 of which are Government Housing facilities. Within these 6 complexes there are Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, and Nema (a local latino gang White and blue are their colors). Then we Have quite a few biker gangs in the area, Outlaws being one of the big ones. About a year ago I was delivering pizzas to these locations and on multiple times was threatened and followed to my car or the door of the delivery. The only reason I never got stabbed, shot or robbed was because I always kept a weapon on me. Note that I didn't say I always kept my gun on me. So yes, I consider having weapons for protection as necessary.


BTW, I've been lurking this thread since it started, doesn't change the fact that this is a random insertion into the thread.

Point taken c34r34...etc guy.

However, is it because they are in a 'gang' that they are dangerous people and you feel carrying a weapon is advisable, or is it because they are dangerous people in the first place, affiliation as Cryp or Blood or GD or GypsyJoker or whatever tattoos they sport not being the operative issue?

I delivered pizza too for a while too and yes there were some 'projects' kind of places I had to go to (and never got a tip... you know you aren't getting a tip when someone orders beef and onion pizza to the projects) But I never went armed, always had 50-60 bucks on me, and never once had a problem (other than the lack of tip! "IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO TIP THE DELIVERY GUY PICK IT UP YOURSELF YOU CHEAPASS BASTARDS!" was my frequent rant after work) Nobody would assault me, because their address is right there on the pizza place's records. Often it would be paranoid people who obviously have something going on in their house because they only open their door a crack and you can smell the blunt smoke and there's clearly a party going on inside from the ruckus.

I don't care what they're doing there I'm just doing my job, which is bringing them a pizza and collecting their cash. Why would anybody mug a pizza boy from their own house, when the address and name are already listed when they called in the delivery?

That would just be stupid. I guess maybe the reason we feel the need to have a right to bear arms is because we are aware of the fact that there are lots of stupid people in the world and sometimes we may run across them.

Beware of dumb people.

Guitardian wrote:Point taken c34r34...etc guy.

However, is it because they are in a 'gang' that they are dangerous people and you feel carrying a weapon is advisable, or is it because they are dangerous people in the first place, affiliation as Cryp or Blood or GD or GypsyJoker or whatever tattoos they sport not being the operative issue?

I delivered pizza too for a while too and yes there were some 'projects' kind of places I had to go to (and never got a tip... you know you aren't getting a tip when someone orders beef and onion pizza to the projects) But I never went armed, always had 50-60 bucks on me, and never once had a problem (other than the lack of tip! "IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO TIP THE DELIVERY GUY PICK IT UP YOURSELF YOU CHEAPASS BASTARDS!" was my frequent rant after work) Nobody would assault me, because their address is right there on the pizza place's records. Often it would be paranoid people who obviously have something going on in their house because they only open their door a crack and you can smell the blunt smoke and there's clearly a party going on inside from the ruckus.

I don't care what they're doing there I'm just doing my job, which is bringing them a pizza and collecting their cash. Why would anybody mug a pizza boy from their own house, when the address and name are already listed when they called in the delivery?

That would just be stupid. I guess maybe the reason we feel the need to have a right to bear arms is because we are aware of the fact that there are lots of stupid people in the world and sometimes we may run across them.

Beware of dumb people.

There were many shootings and assaults in these, as you put it, 'projects'. I would frequently be delivering a pizza and see the cops throwing someone over the hood of a car or knocking on a door. It doesn't change the fact that the only reason I didn't get assaulted was because I am A) gigantic, B) armed, and C) my boss was in a completely separate gang out of Kissimee and it could cause trouble. Factor C didn't come into effect until my last 3 months on the job before the place closed down so it should barely be accounted for in my explanation.

I think there was a miscommunication: I didn't say the ones I was delivering to were the ones that gave me those looks. It was the others sitting on the hood of the cars or on the steps that would follow me, more than likely never having anything to do with those inside the residence.

I completely understand you now. There are some neighborhoods where shadey individuals live and lurk on street corners. I live near Detroit. What I was trying to say is that isn't due to gang affiliation, just shadey individuals. The El Rucans and Gangster disciples and so on are not responsible for gangs of kids running around stealing change from people's cars at night. Well, they're probably the parents of such kids but I don't think that is why we feel a need to be armed. You are gigantic, as you pointed out, I however am 5'8" and maybe 140 lbs so I don't take it for granted that my intimidating presence will deter anyone from accosting me. I did take a self defense and aikido classes when I was younger, but have never felt that I needed them, more just youthful curiosity. As was posted earlier, having a gun in a nightstand doesn't really increase your chances if someone is charging in in the middle of the night. My aikido classes won't save me from 5 thugs. Life isn't an action movie where you get to be Bruce Lee, yknow? I would prefer to avoid, explain, speak, make friends, etc than to arm myself. Again, maybe I'm just naive according to some of the posters here, but I have lived in some rough spots and never once felt it was necessary, or would help whatsoever, to have a weapon.

Tilean Bastard wrote:I would rather evoke the wrath of the gods.

How about the wrath of Bob, from accounting?

Frazzled wrote:

Tilean Bastard wrote:I would rather evoke the wrath of the gods.

How about the wrath of Bob, from accounting?

As in Bob West, from accounting?



If so: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

18 pages and counting!

Incredible!

God bless you Alphy

Why does she have 20 gauge shotgun shells if she's shooting that deagle?

shhhhhhh. Don't ask questions that attempt to find an answer from a model. Just enjoy the photo. ;P

Grignard wrote:Why does she have 20 gauge shotgun shells if she's shooting that deagle?

It's a experimental gun being developed to be used against Lichtenstein.

Because her shotgun is... elsewhere at the moment?

Why are you looking for logic?

How dare you?!!?



and...

Monster Rain wrote:@ Sebster:

Yes, I understand the flow of the conversation. The quoting can get a little hard to follow at times.

Maybe it's just me and my situation, but with children in the house if I happen to hear someone in my house that shouldn't be there I kind of do have to make a move. Not necessarily to attack the burglar, but to put ensure the safety of the kiddos. Maybe just creeping into their room and trying to send them out the window or something...

On a purely academic level I see your point, man. I just don't think it applies to real life. Maybe my "fight or flight" switch is broken, but if someone is in my house they are getting confronted. I don't see it as morally wrong to attack someone who's already in your home illegally, and as I said before, one accepts certain risks when they decide to commit this type of crime. Please note that I said "risks" and not "outcomes."

Sure, I never said anything about the morality of attacking someone who entered your home, or the desire to keep a gun for that purpose. My issue is with the assumed necessity to confront the person. Whether it's because you just seem to see as necessary, or because Frazzled has kids and dogs to protect, there's a decision you're making that I just don't see as necessary.

If the situation was moving to get the kids, and you came across the burglar, shoot the bugger for certain. But actually going to find him once the family is secure? You must love your XBox a lot more than I care for mine.

Alpharius wrote:Because her shotgun is... elsewhere at the moment?

Maybe that is one of the ten signs of a gun problem.

Do you think about firearms at inappropriate times?


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sebster wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:@ Sebster:

Yes, I understand the flow of the conversation. The quoting can get a little hard to follow at times.

Maybe it's just me and my situation, but with children in the house if I happen to hear someone in my house that shouldn't be there I kind of do have to make a move. Not necessarily to attack the burglar, but to put ensure the safety of the kiddos. Maybe just creeping into their room and trying to send them out the window or something...

On a purely academic level I see your point, man. I just don't think it applies to real life. Maybe my "fight or flight" switch is broken, but if someone is in my house they are getting confronted. I don't see it as morally wrong to attack someone who's already in your home illegally, and as I said before, one accepts certain risks when they decide to commit this type of crime. Please note that I said "risks" and not "outcomes."

Sure, I never said anything about the morality of attacking someone who entered your home, or the desire to keep a gun for that purpose. My issue is with the assumed necessity to confront the person. Whether it's because you just seem to see as necessary, or because Frazzled has kids and dogs to protect, there's a decision you're making that I just don't see as necessary.

If the situation was moving to get the kids, and you came across the burglar, shoot the bugger for certain. But actually going to find him once the family is secure? You must love your XBox a lot more than I care for mine.

That is one of my issues, the necessity of confrontation if you can neutralize the situation by escaping and summoning the police. Again, I think where you live probably has a lot to do with that. If you're in a rural area it might be some time before you could expect help from law enforcement, and while I don't feel property in and of itself is a justification for killing someone, I think it probably justifies confronting the individual. That is a choice that depends on the situation and the person's judgment.

Also, I would imagine that someone entering your home by force comes with a profound sense of violation. I can't really say how I'd react in the situation because I've never been in it.

Yes.

Frazzled wrote:Pics or it didn't happen.

The website I was sent talks about Teddy Roosevelt as one of the great persons. Hey Teddy was a Republican President...

He was a political liberal who supported worker's rights and advocated the government interfering with companies. That's a pretty liberal view by that day's and today's standards.

Don't think that Republican means conservative or Democrat means liberal. Clinton, for example, was more conservative than Teddy.

I have nothing else to say here, as probably everybody here is more knowledgeable on the topic of guns than me and have personal experience on the matter.

Maybe we just love them because nasty sluts like to pose with them? And we are all secretly in love with skanks behind our wive's backs... because we're Americans! We get Maxim magazine! We get the swimsuit issue that for some reason has to do with football...

I doubt if any of those previously posted perv gun chick photos contained a woman who ACTUALLY liked shooting people. That's just wimpy almost-porn with a big gun as an excuse so all the gun toters can feel okay about their insecure need for a big gun. At least get some porn that isn't just suggested if you feel you need it. I have never seen a chick in a camoflage bikini hauling around a machinegun in real life, and that last one would knock herself over if she fired it. What I do see is angry paranoid males fantasizing that chicks like their big gun.

Guitardian wrote:I hate sexy women in skimpy outfits.

Guitardian wrote:Maybe we just love them because nasty sluts like to pose with them? And we are all secretly in love with skanks behind our wive's backs... because we're Americans! We get Maxim magazine! We get the swimsuit issue that for some reason has to do with football...

I doubt if any of those previously posted perv gun chick photos contained a woman who ACTUALLY liked shooting people. That's just wimpy almost-porn with a big gun as an excuse so all the gun toters can feel okay about their insecure need for a big gun. At least get some porn that isn't just suggested if you feel you need it. I have never seen a chick in a camoflage bikini hauling around a machinegun in real life, and that last one would knock herself over if she fired it. What I do see is angry paranoid males fantasizing that chicks like their big gun.

You figured us out...

The shame...

Though for the Price of most Class 3 weapons these days, you would half expect the pretty girl TO come with em.

Guitardian wrote:Maybe we just love them because nasty sluts like to pose with them? And we are all secretly in love with skanks behind our wive's backs... because we're Americans! We get Maxim magazine! We get the swimsuit issue that for some reason has to do with football...

I doubt if any of those previously posted perv gun chick photos contained a woman who ACTUALLY liked shooting people. That's just wimpy almost-porn with a big gun as an excuse so all the gun toters can feel okay about their insecure need for a big gun. At least get some porn that isn't just suggested if you feel you need it. I have never seen a chick in a camoflage bikini hauling around a machinegun in real life, and that last one would knock herself over if she fired it. What I do see is angry paranoid males fantasizing that chicks like their big gun.

Wow.

I'm amused to the point of speechlessness.

I dont like pictures of women with guns, because i know its just fake and women are useless with them.

They should have more realistic pictures, like women holding vacum cleaners or frying pans.

I see what you did there

mattyrm wrote:I dont like pictures of women with guns, because i know its just fake and women are useless with them.

They should have more realistic pictures, like women holding vacum cleaners or frying pans.

Now I am amused to speechlessness too.

mattyrm wrote:I dont like pictures of women with guns, because i know its just fake and women are useless with them.

They should have more realistic pictures, like women holding vacum cleaners or frying pans.

Now thats funny.

Guitardian wrote:Now I am amused to speechlessness too.

Summer Glau + Gun = Win!

I love hot wimmenz with guns.

I know a few women as hot as Alphy's pics that DO own guns and shoot guns at the local ranges.

Also, I like matty's post. +100 interweb points.

Yeah I think so far Matty has the thread win.

Maybe if they showed the pictures of the 'real' women who love guns, instead of the bikini-clad hotties who all show up so often at local gun ranges as we all know, (or at least assume if the cover of Guns and Ammo magazine is to be believed), we might not be so keen on them. I'm thinking Momma Fratelli from 'The Goonies' as a prime example. Let me try to think of another... oh yeah crazy astronaught chick on road trip wearing diaper tracking down her cheating lover's wife... and... um... hmm... Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers. That was what real women think about death and violence right there. (She was hot at least). I want a pic of an ogrish walmart-shopper crazy lady in short shorts going on a rampage blabbing out of her belly rolls under her camo bikini, while yelling at her 10 kids behind her, robbing the place. Then I'll believe it. If anyone can find that pic, please put it up, just to put things in perspective.